Tim Kaine
Posted on 09/28/2008 4:51:35 PM PDT by Maelstorm
Virginia Governor Tim Kaine is defending why his administration forced the sudden resignation of five Virginia State Police Chaplains because they prayed publicly “in Jesus’ name.” Police Superintendent Col. W. Steven Flaherty single-handedly created then enforced a strict “non-sectarian” prayer policy at all public gatherings, censoring and excluding Christian prayers, then accepted the resignation of five chaplains who refused to deny Jesus or violate their conscience by watering down their prayers.
House Republican Leader Morgan Griffith and Delegate Charles W. Carrico, (R-Grayson) both issued public statements defending the chaplains, questioning Governor Kaine’s role in terminating the chaplains, and vowing to introduce legislation protecting police chaplains’ right to pray according to their own conscience.
Defending Flaherty’s persecution of Christian Chaplains, Governor Kaine pretended he himself was being persecuted, saying through his spokesman: “It is disappointing that Del. Griffith would make such a political attack on Gov. Kaine about his faith.”
Former Navy Chaplain Gordon James Klingenschmitt, who was also fired in 2007 for praying “in Jesus name” in uniform (but won the victory in the U.S. Congress for other military chaplains), weighed in:
“Governor Kaine campaigned like a Christian to get our votes. But now, instead of governing like a Christian, or respecting his own chaplains’ First Amendment rights, his administration forced the resignation of five police chaplains, simply because they prayed publicly ‘in Jesus’ name.’ These five chaplains lost their jobs for honoring Christ. They’re heroes of the faith, because they refused to deny Jesus when ordered to by the Kaine administration. If they contact me, they will be honored through my web-site: www.PrayInJesusName.org. And now Governor Kaine pretends he’s the martyr, because we question why his administration forced them to resign for praying to Jesus? He’s still got a job, they don’t. Governor Kaine isn’t the martyr, he’s the persecutor.”
Citizens are urged to call Governor Kaine’s office at 804-786-2211, to insist the chaplains be reinstated and the policy reversed, and also email him through his web-site:
It’s probably too Republican
“If the world hates you, remember that it hated Me first.” John 15:18
Silly Chaplains, don’t they know that there is one god and Liberalisim is it’s name. And on the first day god created abortion and said “It is good”. On the second day, god created taxes, on the third day god created more taxes and said “I like taxes”. On the fourth day god created hand outs, requiring the creation of more taxes. On the fifth, sixth and seventh day the god liberalisim rested, because in liberal heaven, they have a four day work week, just like France.
If you can’t pray in Jesus’ name, then what’s the use of praying? What can you pray to? This is idiotic, PC tyranny at it’s finest.
I guess the next question is if you’re allowed to mention “God” in prayers. If not, what would be the point of having a chaplain? Who and/or what are we praying to? The State? Governor Kaine?
Can there be a recall of this Assclowntimkaine?
I occasionally like to joke that from the way liberals react to Christianity and Jesus you’d think that Jesus was a Republican.
how about this as a close: “in the name of the God whose name is anathema to modern socialism”?
You can’t just sit here and read this and do nothing!!!
IT IS HAMMER TIME!!!! OUR BIGGEST WEAPON OUR VOICE AND OUR FREE REPUBLIC GETTING THE TRUTH OUT.
EVERYONE MUST CALL TONIGHT OR IN AM. YOU MUST!
Gilmore needs to force Warner to address his position on this issue.
Here’s how the chaplains can fight back. Instead of saying the name of Jesus in english pray the name in a different language like spanish or hebrew! Thats right...introduce the name of Jesus across a multi-cultural diversity spectrum. Let the marxist censors get in a tizzy over that!
I’m not kidding either!
I don’t know what people thought they were voting for. A liberal is what a liberal does no matter what they say.
“If you can’t pray in Jesus’ name, then what’s the use of praying?”
Well Said
That's starting to convince him that Christianity may be true after all.
Persecution got the church moving and growing 2000 years ago and it may do the same thing now.
God is on His Throne!!!!
Call, write or fax the
Office of the Governor
Patrick Henry Building, 3rd Floor
1111 East Broad Street
Richmond, Virginia 23219
Phone: (804) 786-2211
Fax: (804) 371-6351
or click on http://www.governor.virginia.gov/ and hit contact us in the upper right corner to email him direct.
For a refreshing change I would love to see the black christian pastors across America speak out loudly and
condemn these tactics. Governmental censoring the name of Jesus is grossly unconstitutional! Fight these freedom squashing tasbards like our founders did against theirs!
Tim Kaine
bttt and a note to self to call tomorrow
bttt and a note to self to call tomorrow
Virgina has been blessed with an ignorant Governor. He's not the first and certainly will not be the last.
The reality is that those who think they have to say ‘in Jesus name’ in order to pray in his name don’t have a clue what praying in his name really means.
There’s a difference, of course between the two.
Don’t bother a skunk, and it won’t bother you.
Gov. Kaine, OTOH, loves to reach out and hurt others.
No comparison.
Gov. Kaine, How dare you deny chaplains the right to pray in the name of Jesus. The founders of this nation fled religious tyranny of England. This is government interfering with the free practice of religion. This is not Red China, USSR, Cuba or N. Korea. You sir and the rest of your liberal comrades in government are denying the rights of both chaplains and citizens who want to hear the name of Jesus in a prayer. You can deny Jesus as your right but you have no right to deny others praying in his name. You are an elitist and out of touch politician....true Americans are disgusted with pols like you.
Therefore, you should not dirty your hands with our currency, nor should you spend the money paid to you by us if you do not believe in honoring what our forefathers' deigned for our country. That is, that we are governed by democratic principles. Democrat rule is the rule of the MAJORITY - in case you have forgotten - and not the minority of today's whining, cry-baby, our-feelings-are-being-hurt, namby-pamby far-left wing liberals who want to take away our freedoms under the guise of being politically correct. You are another misguided Democrat who won't be able to argue or excuse your PC position at the Pearly Gates on judgment day.
These men were fired for daring to speak the name of Jesus, this man deserves condemnation for his actions, the name of Christ is a offense only to the wicked.
His faith is a delusion, Governor Kaine is deceiving himself.
That's not prayer, it's spell-casting.
All other prayer stops at the ceiling...
Inspired! I like it.
I’m visualizing Exorcist type liberal head spinnin’. (He,he)
This is interesting. Did Tim Kane just do something outrageous enough to send voters into the arms of the Republicans and hand the state to John McCain? It’ll be interesting to see if the citizens of the Virginia Commonwealth become outraged about this.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”....
US Constitution....Amendment 1.
Absolutely. If I had to pray aloud in public in Virginia, I would end the prayer with, "In the Name above all Names, Amen." We all know WHO that is! See what they do with that response. Such a sad time in our nation's history---I hardly recognize my country anymore.
One would love to believe such things, but there are so many who go to “Christian churches” who appear ready to vote for 0bama. There is a form of godliness out there (while denying the power thereof) that is willing to look at this and conclude that Kane was correct and these “pretentious” Christians should have had greater respect for the state’s laws.
To hell with them!!! Tell the troopers to come to West Virginia, we need good troopers here and would be glad to have them!!
Just learned that Delegate Bill Carrico, a former State Trooper, has a petition to state leaders to OVERTURN the Jesus Ban....
News Release
For Immediate Release Contact: Stuart Higley
26 September 2008 276.236.0098
Delegate Carrico launches website petition calling on Kaine Administration to reverse ban on mention of Jesus Christ by chaplains
Petition at InJesusNameIPray.org becomes available for signatures
Galax, Virginia, 26 September 2008: Delegate Charles W. “Bill” Carrico, Sr. (R-Grayson) today announced the launch of an Internet-based petition calling on Virginia State Police Superintendent W. Steven Flaherty to reverse his directive prohibiting the Virginia State troopers who also serve as voluntary chaplains from referencing Jesus Christ in public prayers. The petition, available at www.injesusnameipray.org, is intended to garner support for those troopers who resigned their duties as chaplains over the directive.
“With the launch of this website, the public can join the chaplains in their cause and urge Colonel Flaherty and the Kaine Administration to reconsider their decision and reverse this directive,” Delegate Carrico declared. “A lot of people have contacted me asking how they can help. This petition provides those who share my concern about the plight of the chaplains an avenue for action.”
A former Virginia State trooper first elected to the House of Delegates in 2001, Delegate Carrico represents the 5th District, which is comprised of Grayson County, the City of Galax, and portions of Carroll, Smyth, and Wythe Counties.
http://www.InJesusNameIPray.org
OH SKIP IT!!! here is the link to the West Virginia State Police.....send the fired officers to this link.....WE NEED THEM! WE NEED THEM!!
http://www.wvstatepolice.com/employ/employ.shtml
Let Virginia go to hell if the devil will have them, that is my opinion on the subject!
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The reality is that those who think they have to say ‘in Jesus name’ in order to pray in his name don’t have a clue what praying in his name really means.
Care to elaborate?
Sure.
Saying “in the name of Jesus” doesn’t make it so.
I agree. Tacking it on the end of a prayer doesn’t automatically mean that that’s what you’re doing. It can get pretty second nature at times.
When is this persecution going to stop?!
God will find a place for these chaplains where they can do some meaningful work.They were wasting their time where they were.
Whosoever denies Jesus Christ before men, they shall be denied before the Father.
God Bless the Christians who refuse to deny Christ.
It's not like the military, where they are away from home and without access to their local churches.
Do cops really say “in the name of the law” when they arrest someone or do they just do it?
If they are acting within their charter and commission then they are acting in the name of the law.
When Christians act within their charter and commission, they too act in Jesus name without having to say it.
Are there times to say it? Sure. But not tacked onto the end of ever prayer, ‘inthenameofjesuschristamen’ type of thing.
Are Muslim chaplains enjoined from praying with the usual honorifics to Muhammed and Allah?
When I retire, two or three years from now, I intend to invite my pastor to my ceremony to give the blessing. I’ll make it clear that nobody will be required to attend, but the prayer will invoke Jesus’ name...if they still let me have the ceremony.
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