Posted on 09/29/2008 4:34:29 PM PDT by Gondring
I think that there are MANY things going on here.
On GOP side, you had those who are thinking, "this is the best we'll get and we're gonna get blamed anyway," along with personal interests or beliefs, perhaps (note that even on FR, some are for this).
On the Dem side, you have, "well, the GOP might get blamed overall, but in my district, I'll get creamed if I vote for this piece of thievery!" and "There's not enough pork in this...I'm not going to vote for it until it's fattened up again!" etc.
Mine voted Yes - good!
Panicking for voting “No”?
OHIO is fickle:
OHIO
Democrats — Kaptur, N; Kucinich, N; Ryan, Y; Space, Y; Sutton, N; Wilson, Y.
Republicans — Boehner, Y; Chabot, N; Hobson, Y; Jordan, N; LaTourette, N; Latta, N; Pryce, Y; Regula, Y; Schmidt, N; Tiberi, N; Turner, N.
My Congressman (LaTourette) voted no.
They took out all the 'gimme-gimme's. ;-)
While I am against any federal intervention, my take is that some conservatives like Blount, Boehner, Cantor, et al voted as “realists,” believing this version of the bailout bill was likely the best deal we could get with the Dems. Most of the 94 Dems voting “No” did so because the bill was too conservative for their tastes, having been largely stripped of the benefits to ACORN and various other special interests. The next version will be more like the original version and will, I predict, pass primarily along party lines.
Only ONE Republican from NY voted against, Randy Kuhl from Rochester/Finger Lakes. God Bless him. The one Republican from my area, Buffalo, voted yes, Tom Reynolds. He is not standing for re-election. What a wimp. I never liked him.
The breakdown of the voting in mind boggling. There is no rhyme or reason to it.
I was very surprised to see that too. I had expected that states with big banking/finance industries would vote 'yes' regardless of party and states with relatively less finance industry would tend to vote 'no'. With the exception of the New York delegation that had nearly all 'yes' votes, that wasn't the case.
My guess is that except for congressman with a strong idealogical bent (e.g., Pence and Kucinich), the best predictor of whether they voted 'yes' is how close their election was in 2006. Most of the congressmen who got elected with more than about 60% of the vote probably voted 'yes'. Most of the congressmen who expect close reelection fights voted 'no'.
Ehlers (R - Mich), Y
Idiot!
Fifty one trillion is the debt of the US.
I know Giffords heard from me, and I suspect from a lot of others. This is normally a republican district, so she can’t go left without losing her seat.
Pelosi couldn’t deliver the votes. Not because she wasn’t liberal enough, but because many democrats are from republican leaning districts. The class of 2006 cannot afford to vote left.
Apparently, quite a few on the left are against the bailout on principle. Even MoveOn has come out against it.
I think you’re referring to the fiscal gap, not the current public debt or gross debt. If you’re referring to private debt, then Speaker Pelosi didn’t cause it.
Sam and I thought that also today. We considered that the dems were voting no so they could add back whatever they wanted. Then in the meantime the dems would be saying the pubbies failed to pass it, Obama jumped in and convinced the current nay saying dems to work with it and low and behold it passes all by itself, just with the democratic vote.
Arizona is J6P territory, and that's a good thing.
WISCONSIN
Democrats: Baldwin, Y; Kagen, N; Kind, Y; Moore, Y; Obey, Y.
Republicans: Petri, N; Ryan, Y; Sensenbrenner, N.
Wow. A ‘No’ from Kagen? A ‘Yes’ from Ryan?
Wow. Wow. I’m speechless.
Helloooooo... primary industry in the state is THE beneficiary of this. Like they were going to vote NO on this.
Well that’s assuming the people actually want this. I’m betting they don’t. In that case Obama can have his bill and face the voters in November.
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