Skip to comments.OBAMA IS INDONESIAN
Posted on 09/29/2008 11:18:43 PM PDT by SatinDoll
Is Barack Obama an Indonesian Citizen?
On Sunday, I received an email from An Expat in Southeast Asia, Larry Martin.
He wrote this:
Obama is Indonesian.
My sources claim that he was adopted and that the Indonesian government is aware of this - so are Obamas people who cut a deal with the Indonesian government to have the records suppressed.
(Excerpt) Read more at texasdarlin.wordpress.com ...
Put it in breaking news, fergawdsake! :-)
Also, for reading this email, I will place $465 million dollars in your bank account, as I am the daughter of an Indonesian prince...
Is that you mentioned in this article?
It’s pretty clear Obama wasn’t born in the US, probably Kenya, but maybe Canada, or even the USSR. If he is Indonesian too, that’s just another reason he can’t serve as POTUS.
Obama and the DNC are being sued to produce his vault copy Birth Certificate. The Senator is refusing BECAUSE he was adopted, his adopted name is Barry Soetoro, and he is an Indonesian citizen who, as an adult, swore allegience to Indonesia so he could travel in 1981, on an Indonesian passport, to Pakistan.
If you don’t believe this or take issue with this situation, go pound sand!
not an american citizen
clintons know it...just holding it when they can use it when it really matters
This is not quite as silly as the “Obama is an Arab” BS being passed around by the tinfoil inboxer crowd, but is still a WASTE of time.
If true, former CIA asset and Clinton kneepad-wearer, Larry Johnson, would have obtained the info and published it. The Clintons have unlimited funds to solve this.
Gosh, why has nobody posted this on Free Republic before?
The thing is, none of this would affect his original birth certificate, the one issued when he was born, IF he was actually born in Hawaii. From what some of his own relatives have said, I believe he was born in Kenya.
But it sooo enhances him for Ruler of the World.
Seriously, I do believe he probably has dual citizenship. If Kenyan, he had to announce his decision to keep his citizenship at 21, or was it renounce? Anyway, how would we ever know what he did? Any records would have been expunged or made inaccessible.
When someone starts a run for the Presidency, why don't they be required to present a birth cert.?
My sources claim that he was adopted and that the Indonesian government is aware of this
I heard he was born a Caucasian Ukrainian gypsy hermaphrodite. Could just be rumor on the Internets, though.
You mean today right?
I admire you immensely but you should go to texasdarlin’ blog and read the whole posting. Expat Guy has done a great job of ferreting out information.
You should be aware that Obama has been practising at making foreign relations deals even before his trip to the ME and Europe. Such as promising he won’t go after Indonesia on the Papau situation (persecuting Christians) if they “lose” all pertinent documents involving himself.
Before, I believed he was telling the truth about being a converted Christian but now know that is all baseless. He is a Muslim. His college roommates, on campus and off campus, were all Muslim. That was by Obama’s choice. Recently he referred to dogs and pigs as unclean. Wow! Was that ever a dead give away! And he and Michelle said that they never give gifts to their daughters - a Muslim practice.
It isn’t the fact he is a practising Muslim that bothers me. It’s that he lies about it!
Hugs, from Satin Doll
For Indonesian, Kenyan, Hawaiian confusion
Oh! About the Clinton’s unlimited funds to solve their and our problem with Obama: I think that they don’t want to blow their future power base in the Democrat Party.
Can’t tick off all those black Democrat voters who’ve been snookered by a smooth talkin’, illegal alien community organizer.
Looks as if the Dem party has lost control of their smooth talkin, illegal alien community organizer.
Did you know that the EX PAT in this story is along time Freeper?
All of this, even if true, is comprehensively irrelevant.
Obama was born in the USA and is therefore a native born citizen.
American citizenship can only be voided by a precisely defined renunciation process. If this is not done, American citizenship remains in effect for life. US law doesn’t care in the least whether some other country considers you to be a citizen. I could acquire citizenship in 27 countries under their laws, and my American citizenship would remain in effect unless and until I formally renounced it following the prescribed procedures.
For heaven’s sake, people. The American Taliban fought against and killed American soldiers. He is no doubt guilty of treason, but he is still an American citizen. Americans who defected to USSR or North Korea remain American citizens unless and until they formally renounce that status.
Because the Constitution by inference leaves the determination of whether they meet the qualifications to the Electoral College? I'm fine with your idea, but it would require at minimum a new law, and possibly an amendment.
I believe he was born in Kenya and raised mostly in Indonesia.
That sounds about right. But he does have a black father and a white mother. It is likely that they produced Obama. There is a picture of Obama Senior and his white mama and Obama together.
The Constitution says they must be a US citizen. It would make sense to have to prove it in order to run for President.
Yes, it would. But the Constitution provides no mechanism for doing so. By implication this leaves it up to the EC to decide whether the qualifications have been met.
Please tell us you forgot the words “natural born” ?
Obama lived in Indonesia from the age of 5 to 10. I don’t think this qualifies as “raised mostly” there. The ages of 10 to 18 are much more formative than 5 to 10.
There is also absolutely no evidence he was born anywhere other than USA. Lots of speculation, but no evidence. Even if he had been born outside USA, he would still almost certainly have qualified as a native-born citizen, since his mama was one.
People seem to keep forgetting that there are only two types of citizens: native born and naturalized. There is no third category.
Morning coffee reading ping!
If it's pretty clear then you no doubt have tons of evidence supporting your claims. How about letting us in on some of it?
You mean like...when you have a chance at the presidential nomination for the Democratic Party? </sarcasm>
It’s amazing that the same people who are convinced that his birth certificate was photoshopped will accept anything else as gospel.
Thanks for ping:)
There’s no doubt that the life and times of Obama are murky. There’s no doubt many people have worked tirelessly to show his basic unworthiness to be our president- for a myriad of sound reasons.
Whether anything comes out between now and the end of October that will change the minds of the voters- is the question.
At this point- I’m not too optimistic. We’ll see soon enough.
You forget that his family covered all this up while he was still a child to preserve his eligibility for the presidency.
To hold this opinion one must work to avoid noticing the insanity of thinking that anybody in 1960s Hawaii would have considered a half-black kid a likely candidate for that particular office. BTW, president and vice-resident are the only offices in the USA that require a citizen to be native-born as opposed to naturalized.
It's not a matter of being convinced his birth certificate is photoshopped - IT WAS and IT IS photoshopped. A little like saying you are not convinced terrorists took down the WTC towers on 9/11. You can't claim something is false if it has already been proven otherwise.
Please answer me this; do you believe the 'birth certificate' (Certificate of Live Birth) on the fightthesmears website is genuine?
“Obama was born in the USA and is therefore a native born citizen.”
This has never been conclusively proven. All Obama ever had to do to put this issue to bed, was to release a true birth certificate. He never has.
Do you wonder why his white grandmother has never been seen or interviewed? Aside from Obama’s orders to the press of course. His Kenyan relatives SAY he was born there. His mother’s best high school friend who lives in state of Washngton SAYS Stanley Ann showed up in state of Washington with a newborn baby whose diapers she did not know how to change. His adoption at about age 4 cand change of citizenship by Indonesian stepfather Lolo Soetero is factual. Records are “sealed”. All of these questions could be put to bed with release of a true birth certificate.
If you don’t know the history of the fake Hawaiian document “Certificate” posted on his website by a KOS groupee, read texasdarlin’s blog.
What’s interesting about TexasDarlin’s blog right now is that it is a reminder that the Clintons don’t want Barry to win. Given how he’s pulled into the lead therefore, one waits for another boot or two to drop.
Even if it is true, what do you think will happen as a result? Obama getting yanked as the dim candidate? At this point in the game? FAT CHANCE!
You could dig up videotape of Obama setting a bunch of nuns on fire and it wouldn’t change one damn thing.
Let’s just concentrate on beating the bastard at the ballot box in November.
Bill is making some eye raising and interesting comments about how he and the republicans tried to rein in Fanny Mae fraud.
Hillary the great democrat popular vote winner is conspicuously MIA on steering her party through the current financial crisis and bailout plan. Even though she is a New York senator and Wall street is
.....The only issue of contention Faleomavaega would face from the Indonesian government would be the issue of West Papau. In the end, it was simply a give and take situation. The Obama campaign needed assistance from the Indonesian government and the Indonesian government wanted a free hand in Papau...
Sadly, the world does not know very much about what is going on in West Papua:
The Independent State of Papua New Guinea is experiencing cross-border incursions by some Indonesians. However, West Papua -- the western half of the island -- is experiencing wide-spread genocide.
According to Survival-International: "All the Papuan peoples have suffered greatly under the Indonesian occupation which has been in force since 1963. The Indonesian army has a long history of human rights violations against the Papuans, and the racist Indonesian soldiers generally view the Papuan people as little more than animals. Papua's natural resources are being exploited at great profit for the Indonesian government and foreign businesses, but at the expense of the Papuan peoples and their homelands. When international companies come to Papua the Indonesian military accompanies them to 'protect' the 'vital projects': with the military there always come human rights violations such as killings, arbitrary arrests, rape and torture. Those Papuans who protest against the Indonesian government, the military or 'vital projects' are even more likely to experience abuses of their human rights." 3,4,5,6 An estimated 100,000 of them were killed by the Indonesian armed forces between 1963 and 2002. 5 The mass murder continues to the present time.
On 2003-DEC-10, The Orville H. Schell, Jr. Center for International Human Rights and the Allard K. Lowenstein International Human Rights Clinic and Project at Yale Law School issued a report denouncing human rights abuses in Papua. 7 They concluded that the historical and contemporary evidence "strongly suggests that the Indonesian government has committed proscribed acts with the intent to destroy the West Papuans...
Have you read the blog post linked above? The blog owner isn't making that argument -- in fact, she's said repeatedly that she believes he was born in the U.S.
If you read the material, including American Expat's post (linked at the link), you'll find that the questions are a) whether he was a citizen of Indonesia through adoption; b) whether he gave up or renounced that citizenship when he achieved the legal age of 18; and c) whether he ever traveled, as an adult, on an Indonesian passport as an Indonesian citizen; and d) if the answer to any of the above is affirmative, has he deliberately attempted to conceal the fact(s)?
Thanks for the ‘mornin’ ping. Sounds plausible to me that the slime machine surrounding Obama would do anything and everything to hide Obama’s past from the American people.
In order to obtain a US passport, Obama had to substantiate that he was a US citizen. How did he do it?
“...To hold this opinion one must work to avoid noticing the insanity of thinking that anybody in 1960s Hawaii would have considered a half-black kid a likely candidate for that particular office...
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