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OBAMA IS INDONESIAN
Texasdarlin Blog ^ | Sept. 30, 2008 | Larry Martin & Texasdarlin

Posted on 09/29/2008 11:18:43 PM PDT by SatinDoll

Is Barack Obama an Indonesian Citizen?

On Sunday, I received an email from An Expat in Southeast Asia, Larry Martin.

He wrote this:

Obama is Indonesian.

My sources claim that he was adopted and that the Indonesian government is aware of this - so are Obama’s people who cut a deal with the Indonesian government to have the records suppressed.

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To: silverleaf

That’s right, Chuck Schumer is putting in overtime and Hillary is out of sight and mum on the subject.


51 posted on 09/30/2008 5:49:45 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: kabar
In order to obtain a US passport, Obama had to substantiate that he was a US citizen. How did he do it?

Show me his US passport...

52 posted on 09/30/2008 5:50:40 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: browardchad
If Obama was born in the US, he is a natural born citizen. Americans can have dual nationality without giving up their American citizenship.

Dual Nationality

"The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth."

"A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship."

53 posted on 09/30/2008 5:50:53 AM PDT by kabar (.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Are you suggesting that he doesn’t have a US passport? How do you think he has been travelling outside the US on his Senate trips?


54 posted on 09/30/2008 5:53:22 AM PDT by kabar (.)
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To: kabar

Do you remember earlier this year when there was a scandal about someone obtaining candidate’s passport records from insiders in the State department? Hmmm. Someone knows.

My personal tin hat theory- Hillary knows Obama is not an eligible natural born citizne- and he has Chelsea’s DNA.
checkmate.


55 posted on 09/30/2008 5:57:17 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Fred Nerks; kabar
Show me his US passport...

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Maybe the dumbest post ever.

56 posted on 09/30/2008 5:58:20 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: kabar

I’m aware the law on dual nationality. I made no mention of loss of citizenship — the question at the root here is one of possible deception, and therefore the credibility, of a candidate for President of the United States.


57 posted on 09/30/2008 6:05:33 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: silverleaf
You left off the sarcasm tag. The person, a contractor, has been tried and convicted for going into the passport files. Contractor Charged In Passport Snoop Feds: Man accessed files on pols, athletes, Hollywood stars

If Obama was born in the US, he is a natural born citizen. If not, then he would have to be naturalized. I see no evidence of the latter.

58 posted on 09/30/2008 6:05:50 AM PDT by kabar (.)
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To: browardchad

Deception how?


59 posted on 09/30/2008 6:07:13 AM PDT by kabar (.)
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To: kabar

Oh, they found a fall guy!

And what pray tell did he do with the passport information he obtained? Give it back?
no sarc


60 posted on 09/30/2008 6:09:53 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: SatinDoll

Need to comment on this link!

www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2093635/posts


61 posted on 09/30/2008 6:10:32 AM PDT by ncfool ("obsequiousness" Obama "has left no lasting impression on any thing he has done!")
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To: silverleaf

It would be interesting to learn what he did find out.


62 posted on 09/30/2008 6:13:12 AM PDT by kabar (.)
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To: kabar
Deception how?

Let me cut to the chase: if it was revealed that John McCain was adopted by a Panamanian, then returned to the states and assumed his birth name and citizenship, but then traveled on a Panamanian passport after the age of 18 -- and took steps to conceal those facts would anyone not accuse him of deception?

And if American Expat is correct, and the Congressman from American Samoa did make a deal with the Indonesian president in return for suppression of Obama's Indonesian records, would you not consider that deception?

63 posted on 09/30/2008 6:19:29 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: browardchad
if it was revealed that John McCain was adopted by a Panamanian, then returned to the states and assumed his birth name and citizenship, but then traveled on a Panamanian passport after the age of 18 -- and took steps to conceal those facts would anyone not accuse him of deception?

What has Obama concealed? What proof do you have that Obama held an Indonesian passport? If you have such evidence, when did he obtain it, i.e., prior to his first trip to Indonesia at age 6? How do you know he traveled on an Indonesian passport after age 18? How did he get back into the US with his Indonesian passport? Did he acquire a student visa? When did he acquire his US passport?

You are making a host of unsubstantiated allegations and assumptions. What we do know for a fact is that Obama currently holds a US passport, which required him to provide proof of citizenship.

And if American Expat is correct, and the Congressman from American Samoa did make a deal with the Indonesian president in return for suppression of Obama's Indonesian records, would you not consider that deception?

Yes, if that really did happen. I guess the seriousness of the charge outweighs the facts.

64 posted on 09/30/2008 6:41:16 AM PDT by kabar (.)
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To: kabar
I guess the seriousness of the charge outweighs the facts.

Good try. You might notice that I've used the word "if" consistently -- as in, "if" the media wasn't in the tank for Obama, the contradictions in his biography concerning Indonesia,including, but not limited to, never mentioning until recently that he traveled there, and on to Pakistan, in 1981, should have been a subject for intense scrutiny.

It hasn't, and there are many people who consider even speculation on the subject to be some form of irrational behavior, or to use your terminology, "baseless charges" -- even when they remain speculation.

65 posted on 09/30/2008 6:56:46 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: browardchad
It hasn't, and there are many people who consider even speculation on the subject to be some form of irrational behavior, or to use your terminology, "baseless charges" -- even when they remain speculation.

I never used the term "baseless charges." My point is that you can make up all kinds of things without any real evidence. The NYT did it by insinuating that McCain had an affair with a lobbyist. It was reprehensible.

Obama's travel to Indonesia in 1981 to visit his mother and then onwards to Pakistan with his roommate has come under scrutiny--at least by the alternative media. I have no idea if Obama has been questioned directly by the MSM about the trip. If you are going to charge or suggest that he was engaged in some sinister activities or that he travelled on an Indonesian passport, you should provide some proof. I do know that if he tried to enter the US on an Indonesian passport, he would need a non-immigrant visa.

66 posted on 09/30/2008 7:10:58 AM PDT by kabar (.)
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To: Sherman Logan
You forget that his family covered all this up while he was still a child to preserve his eligibility for the presidency.

Doesn't every family? I can only imagine the hoops my ancestors jumped through to make sure I could be president when I grew up. Alas, I seem to have disappointed them.

67 posted on 09/30/2008 7:39:12 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: SatinDoll
If you don’t believe this or take issue with this situation, go pound sand!

There's really no need to be nasty about it. It's still hearsay at this point, as the "disclaimer" admits:

DISCLAIMER: I am reporting information from a third party, and have no independent collaboration [sic] or documentation of such claims.

68 posted on 09/30/2008 7:41:40 AM PDT by FoxInSocks (B. Hussein Obama: The Paucity of Hope)
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To: library user
It's not a matter of being convinced his birth certificate is photoshopped - IT WAS and IT IS photoshopped.

And you know this one wasn't photoshopped because....?

A little like saying you are not convinced terrorists took down the WTC towers on 9/11.

Funny you should mention that. Phil Berg, the guy suing Obama for his birth certificate? He's one of the biggest 9/11 conspiracy nuts out there.

You can't claim something is false if it has already been proven otherwise.

If that's so then why are we having threads like these? Everybody is claiming Obama wasn't born in the U.S. and nobody is offering any proof.

69 posted on 09/30/2008 7:42:44 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: ASA Vet

Is line 2, place of birth? Honolulu?


70 posted on 09/30/2008 7:47:17 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: kabar
If you are going to charge or suggest that he was engaged in some sinister activities or that he travelled on an Indonesian passport, you should provide some proof.If you are going to charge or suggest that he was engaged in some sinister activities or that he travelled on an Indonesian passport, you should provide some proof.

Once again, you use the word "charge" -- I have phrased everything as a question, and in the normal course of discussion, questions don't require proof (they wouldn't be questions otherwise).

You appear threatened by even the discussion of possibilities in this case, and tracking back, in your first response, you felt it necessary to cut and paste regs on dual citizenship, even though I hadn't mentioned it. Your responses to me, and others, are quite interesting, actually, and highly suggestive -- oops! I used the word suggestive, for which you require proof! I think I've got the hang of it now, but I'm not playing anymore, since I've things to do.

71 posted on 09/30/2008 7:58:40 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: ASA Vet

This is very hard to read. What exactly is this document? Adoption? School record?


72 posted on 09/30/2008 8:45:20 AM PDT by Humal
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To: SatinDoll

Believe me, I so much want this to be true. But knowing the Clintons, who care about no one but themselves, they would be whacking and threatening and intimidating and bribing anyone and everyone to get the proof. Does she have it and is waiting until the end of October?


73 posted on 09/30/2008 9:47:02 AM PDT by doug from upland (8 million views of HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: SatinDoll

What nation’s passport does he travel on today?


74 posted on 09/30/2008 9:49:24 AM PDT by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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To: browardchad

That’s right, change the subject and attack the messenger. Unless you have facts, I can’t take anything you assert seriously.


75 posted on 09/30/2008 10:09:43 AM PDT by kabar (.)
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To: Kevmo; Beckwith; nutmeg; SJackson; pissant
yes- Im hoping to acquire more info in the next few days - and what is coming next might come as a surprise to many - more details soon I hope.

Im expecting that U.S. Congressman Eni Faleomavaega is going to deny all - but he will be confronted with the truth

this is getting deeper and deeper - many others are involved as well - and I will name them all

ensure all are pinged please

76 posted on 09/30/2008 11:09:54 AM PDT by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE and Help Beat Obama)
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To: FoxInSocks

How about we know a freeper who has been investigating this for months....who lives there.


77 posted on 09/30/2008 11:12:21 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: expatguy; LucyT; Calpernia; Fred Nerks

We need to nail this marxist fraud. Thanks for doing what you are doing.


78 posted on 09/30/2008 11:13:44 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Humal

School registration from his school in Indonesia.


79 posted on 09/30/2008 11:14:22 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: pissant; Calpernia; Kevmo; Fred Nerks; null and void; george76; Polarik; PhilDragoo; FARS; ...

Thanks, pissant.

Pinging everyone to a bunch of stuff. Not to worry; I’m having a hard time keeping up, too.

The problem is that the public isn’t learning the truth about a man who may be elected President.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2093742/posts

#18 “...be aware that Obama has been practising at making foreign relations deals even before his trip to the ME and Europe. Such as promising he won’t go after Indonesia on the Papau situation (persecuting Christians) if they “lose” all pertinent documents involving himself.

“Before, I believed he was telling the truth about being a converted Christian but now know that is all baseless. He is a Muslim.

“His college roommates, on campus and off campus, were all Muslim. That was by Obama’s choice.

“Recently he referred to dogs and pigs as unclean. Wow! Was that ever a dead give away! And he and Michelle said that they never give gifts to their daughters - a Muslim practice.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2093742/posts?page=18#18

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2093742/posts?page=14#14

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#7 “Obama and the DNC are being sued to produce his vault copy Birth Certificate. The Senator is refusing BECAUSE he was adopted, his adopted name is Barry Soetoro, and he is an Indonesian citizen who, as an adult, swore allegience to Indonesia so he could travel in 1981, on an Indonesian passport, to Pakistan.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2093742/posts?page=7#7


80 posted on 09/30/2008 11:39:50 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: kanawa

[Dual citizenship]...required to obey the laws of both countries.”

That’s fine for most citizens and countries. But Indonesia does not recognize dual citizenship. To be a citizen of Indonesia, one must repudiate all other allegiences.

Not looking too good for Obama at this point.

Berg has come back at Obama & the DNC, challenging their position that he, Berg, has no standing to challenge Obama’s eligability for the Presidency in a lawsuit. The lawsuit in Philadelphia is alive and kicking and know being considered by the Judge.


81 posted on 09/30/2008 12:27:59 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: doug from upland
If true, former CIA asset and Clinton kneepad-wearer, Larry Johnson, would have obtained the info and published it.

I dont know, I have a connection to Johnson. He is a prostitute, and answers to the highest bidder. If Obama offered him money to keep quiet, its because the Clintons didnt pay enough..

82 posted on 09/30/2008 12:44:36 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Hussein, produce the REAL Birth Certificate!)
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To: SatinDoll
"Barry" was adopted by Lalo Soetoro when Stanley Ann Dunham married him. Barry became an Indonesian citizen in that act. The question yet unanswered is whether he was born on U.S. soil. Where is his birth certificate? Let's see the name of the hospital and signature of the doctor who delivered him. Did he ever appear in front of a U.S. consular to reclaim his U.S. citizenship upon attaining age 18? Why was he traveling on an Indonesian passport when he visited Pakistan at age 20?
83 posted on 09/30/2008 12:54:56 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: SatinDoll
I believed he was telling the truth about being a converted Christian but now know that is all baseless. He is a Muslim

In my opinion, I don't believe Obama is a Muslim, although he is definitely sympathetic/empathetic.

He's definitely not a Christian. He has never been baptized and Trinity UCC being considered a "Christian" church is a real stretch.

His religion is socialism (at best) and his prophet is Marx.


84 posted on 09/30/2008 12:56:14 PM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: Sherman Logan
Obama was born in the USA

Prove it!
85 posted on 09/30/2008 1:01:07 PM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: LucyT; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ..

Thanks LucyT!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2093742/posts?page=80#80


86 posted on 09/30/2008 3:17:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: browardchad

Answer to am b, c and d: Irrelevant under US law whether true or not. Possibly interesting from a political standpoint in re how voters might view such actions. But utterly irrelevant from a legal standpoint.

It does not matter whether Indonesia consider(ed) him a citizen, now or in the past. A parent cannot renounce US citizenship for her child. Only an adult US citizen can do so, and it requires quite specific actions, which nobody has claimed Obama ever did.

You cannot unintentionally or accidentally void US citizenship. This is by the law’s design.


87 posted on 09/30/2008 4:59:42 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (qui)
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To: Beckwith

A. He was issued a US passport without problems.

B. He was not naturalized.

Therefore, he is a native-born US citizen.

Odd that the Honolulu paper carried a birth announcement. If this was a coverup, they were thing WAY ahead.


88 posted on 09/30/2008 5:02:33 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (qui)
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To: Nipfan

Au contraire, mon frere. A registered adoption means the original birth certificate is sealed, and a new one issued with the adoptive parents shown. This is the real reason he won’t release his birth certificate. He is not using his real name, Barry Soetero.


89 posted on 09/30/2008 6:08:25 PM PDT by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: SatinDoll

Of course not. Since when Marxists give a rat’s ass about the law and the Constitution? They plan to burn the Constitution in a Rose Garden ceremony the week after Obama has been crowned.


90 posted on 09/30/2008 6:10:45 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (My hate and distrust for Obama and anything called Dimocrat grows by the second.)
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To: SatinDoll
Just one question: Why would an 18 year old girl adopt a baby? What 18 year old is going to willingly be saddled with someone else's baby?

This is total nonsense.

91 posted on 09/30/2008 6:17:14 PM PDT by giotto
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To: esquirette

I was referring to the one issued at the time of birth, which he apparently mentioned coming across in one of his books.

Oh, and its ma soeur.


92 posted on 09/30/2008 6:33:47 PM PDT by Nipfan
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To: Nipfan

chapeau . . .


93 posted on 09/30/2008 6:40:12 PM PDT by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: giotto

No, Stanley Ann Dunham did not adopt Barry Soetoro. He is her biological child.

She married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. He married her then adopted her son. That is why Barry Soetoro is registered in Indonesian schools as an Indonesian citizen and Lolo Soetoro is his father.

When a child is adopted a new birth certificate is created with the new parent(s) names on it, and the prior birth certificate (if it exists!) is sealed and cannot be opened except by court order. That is why, as speculation has it, that Senator Obama will not produce his Hawaiian birth certificate - it states his LEGAL name as Barry Soetoro and his parents as Lolo Soetoro and Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro.

In the United States one cannot run for public office using anything other than one’s LEGAL name. No aliases allowed.

If it is discovered by a court of law that Senator Obama’s real name is Barry Soetoro, then all ballots cast for him in the name of Barack Obama are automatically null and void.

The DNC has a major stake in seeing that the above doesn’t happen. They don’t care whether it is illegal, immoral, unethical, or all the former combined! For the Dems getting and keeping power is all that matter.


94 posted on 09/30/2008 8:34:57 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: SatinDoll
Thank you for explaining that. If it's true that his real name is Barry Soetoro, why not use that name? Why honor instead the man who abandoned him and never once attempted to know him? At least Lolo was man enough to stick around for awhile.

Whatever the truth about Barry's childhood, his biological parents really did a number on him. I almost feel sorry for him.

95 posted on 09/30/2008 8:53:22 PM PDT by giotto
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To: Sherman Logan

Prove it!


96 posted on 10/01/2008 3:36:28 AM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: Sherman Logan
Possibly interesting from a political standpoint in re how voters might view such actions.

Um, that was my original point, but I think it would be more than "possibly" interesting to know that a Presidential candidate has been less than honest about his upbringing, especially when the same candidate has based a major portion of his appeal on his biography. I think we need look no further than the media frenzy about Governor Palin to realize the significance of background.

What's becoming more fascinating though, is the vehemence of those who want to clobber the slightest of criticisms, questions or speculation about Obama's background with a the brute force of a sledgehammer.

Hint: nothing I've said on this thread questioned his standing as a citizen, and yet you felt it necessary to respond with an argument on that point.

As I said, it's fascinating.

97 posted on 10/01/2008 12:37:28 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: expatguy

I have been watching this with guarded hope.
I can’t wait to see what new info you acquire and hope I am pleasantly surprised by your findings.
Can’t wait to hear.


98 posted on 10/01/2008 1:14:55 PM PDT by Aurorales
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To: browardchad

Possibly so. However, the original article and a great many of the posts since claim he is or may be ineligible to be president. That’s generally the whole point of the discussion about his parentage, birthplace, etc.

I apologize if I lumped you in with the general context inappropriately.

I don’t object to speculation as such, but at some point something resembling proof needs to be produced.


99 posted on 10/01/2008 3:38:52 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (qui)
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To: LucyT; milford421; Calpernia; DAVEY CROCKETT; Rushmore Rocks; LibertyRocks

Interesting links that Lucyt sent in post #80.


100 posted on 10/01/2008 5:16:24 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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