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Obama Over 50 Percent In Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania
Quinnipiac ^ | 10-1-08 | Quinnipiac Polling

Posted on 10/01/2008 9:31:23 AM PDT by Alter Kaker

Obama Over 50 Percent In Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll Finds; Debate, Palin's Fade, Economy Put Democrat On Top ---

FLORIDA: Obama 49 - McCain 43 pre-debate;
Obama 51 - McCain 43 post-debate;

OHIO: Obama 49 - McCain 42 pre-debate;
Obama 50 - McCain 42 post-debate;

PENNSYLVANIA: Obama 49 - McCain 43 pre-debate;
Obama 54 - McCain 39 post-debate

Friday's presidential debate, Gov. Sarah Palin's sagging favorability and more voter confidence in Sen. Barack Obama's ability to handle the economy are propelling the Democrat to wider likely voter leads over Republican John McCain in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, according to simultaneous Quinnipiac University Swing State polls released today.

No one has been elected President since 1960 without taking two of these three largest swing states in the Electoral College. Results from the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe- ack) University polls conducted before and after the debate show:

  • Florida: Obama up 49 - 43 percent pre-debate and 51 - 43 percent post-debate;
  • Ohio: Obama up 49 - 42 percent pre-debate and 50 - 42 percent post-debate;
  • Pennsylvania: Obama ahead 49 - 43 percent pre-debate and 54 - 39 percent post-debate. Pre-debate surveys ended at 8 p.m. Friday with post-debate surveys Saturday-Monday.
More than 84 percent of voters in each state say the debate did not change their mind. But by margins of 13 to 17 percent, voters in each state say Obama did a better job in the debate. And by margins of 15 to 27 percent, independent voters in each state say Obama won.

"It is difficult to find a modern competitive presidential race that has swung so dramatically, so quickly and so sharply this late in the campaign. In the last 20 days, Sen. Barack Obama has gone from seven points down to eight points up in Florida, while widening his leads to eight points in Ohio and 15 points in Pennsylvania," said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

"Sen. John McCain has his work cut out for him if he is to win the presidency and there does not appear to be a role model for such a comeback in the last half century," Brown added.

"Sen. McCain's problem is not with this or that demographic group. Although he still leads among white men, albeit by a smaller margin, his problems are across the electorate.

"Sen. Obama clearly won the debate, voters say. Their opinion of Gov. Sarah Palin has gone south and the Wall Street meltdown has been a dagger to McCain's political heart. Roughly a third of voters, and almost as large a share of the key independent vote, say McCain did more harm than good in trying to resolve the financial crisis, and the share of voters who see the economy as the top issue has risen from roughly half to six in ten."



President George W. Bush's approval ratings post-debate are among his lowest:
  • 24 - 70 percent in Florida;
  • 25 - 69 percent in Ohio;
  • 23 - 72 percent in Pennsylvania.

Florida

Even before Friday's debate, Florida voters had shifted from 50 - 43 percent for McCain in a September 11 Quinnipiac University poll to 49 - 43 percent for Obama.

Looking at post-debate numbers, Florida men likely voters back McCain 50 - 45 percent, while women back Obama 57 - 37 percent. McCain leads 50 - 45 percent edge among white voters.

Independent voters back Obama 52 - 40 percent, compared to 50 - 43 percent for McCain September 11.



Among the 79 percent of Florida voters who say they watched the debate, 49 percent said Obama did better, with 34 percent saying McCain won.

By a 58 - 33 percent margin, Florida voters have a favorable opinion of Obama, compared to 52 - 39 percent for McCain.

Palin gets a negative 36 - 39 percent favorability, down from 47 - 23 percent September 11. Democratic running mate Joe Biden has a 47 - 27 percent favorability, up from 38 - 28 percent.

The economy is the most important issue in the election, 60 percent of Florida voters say, and voters post-debate trust Obama more than McCain 53 - 39 percent to handle this issue, compared to 50 - 40 percent pre-debate.

Voters trust McCain more than Obama 52 - 41 percent to handle foreign policy, compared to 51 - 42 percent pre-debate.

Post debate, voters say 53 - 20 percent that Obama's role in trying to solve the economic crisis has been helpful more than harmful, compared to 45 - 31 percent for McCain.

Florida voters oppose 42 - 36 percent the $700 billion plan to rescue the economy.



"During the past three weeks, Florida voters lost their faith in Sen. McCain. His net favorability dropped in half and Sen. Obama's almost doubled over the same period. One look at independents shows the massive change. Three weeks ago, McCain had a seven-point edge among Florida independents. Today, Obama leads among that group by 12 points," Brown said.

Ohio

Post-debate, Obama leads 53 - 39 percent among Ohio women and ties McCain 46 - 46 percent among men. Independent voters go 46 percent for Obama and 42 percent for McCain, compared to 47 - 43 percent for McCain September 11.

The 64 percent of voters who watched the debate say Obama did better 49 - 33 percent.

Obama gets a 54 - 32 percent favorability in Ohio, with 49 - 40 percent for McCain.

Palin's favorability is split 35 - 35 percent, compared to 41 - 22 percent last time.

Biden's favorability is 38 - 27 percent, compared to 36 - 22 percent last time.



For 59 percent of Ohio voters, the economy is the biggest issue, and post-debate voters trust Obama more than McCain 50 - 39 percent to handle this issue, compared to 49 - 39 percent pre-debate.

Voters trust McCain more, 53 - 38 percent to handle foreign policy, compared to 51 - 39 percent pre-debate.

After the debate, voters say 50 - 23 percent that Obama's efforts on the economic crisis have been helpful more than harmful, compared to 43 - 33 percent for McCain.

By a 48 - 29 percent margin, Ohio voters oppose the $700 billion economic rescue plan.

"It's easy to see why Sen. McCain is doing so poorly. On September 11, his favorable/unfavorable ratio among Ohio voters was 53 - 34 percent. Now it's just 49 - 40 percent, dropping from a 19-point plus to nine points in just 20 days, while Sen. Obama's ratings have remained as positive as they were. And the economy is the reason. Obama's five-point edge as the best candidate to handle the economy - which is by far the most important issue to voters, especially in economically distressed Ohio - has doubled," Brown said.

Pennsylvania

Post-debate, Obama leads 58 - 34 percent with women and 49 - 45 percent among men. Independent voters shift from leaning 45 - 44 percent to McCain September 11 to 59 - 29 percent for Obama.



The 65 percent of voters who saw the debate say 51 - 30 percent that Obama won. Obama gets a 61 - 28 percent favorability, compared to McCain's 45 - 44 percent split. Palin's favorability is a negative 34 - 37 percent, down from 39 - 26 percent. Biden gets a 49 - 23 percent score, down from 53 - 22 percent.

The economy is the most important issue, 59 percent of Pennsylvania voters say, and voters trust Obama more than McCain 55 - 36 percent to handle this issue, compared to 50 - 39 percent pre-debate. By a 48 - 45 percent margin, voters trust McCain more to handle foreign policy, compared to 53 - 39 percent pre-debate.

Obama's role in trying to solve the economic crisis has been helpful more than harmful, voters say 51 - 15 percent, compared to 39 - 35 percent for McCain. Pennsylvania voters oppose the $700 billion economic rescue plan 46 - 33 percent.

"Pennsylvania is back in its role as the most Democratic swing state in the 2008 election, mainly because voters believe that Sen. Obama will do a better job handling the economy. Three quarters of voters say economic issues, including energy and health care, are the most important in this campaign and Obama wins big on every economy-related question in the poll. Sen. McCain can't win Pennsylvania with just 36 percent of voters saying he is the candidate for the economy," said Clay F. Richards, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

From September 22 - 26, Quinnipiac University surveyed:
  • 1,161 Florida likely voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.9 percent;
  • 1,203 Ohio likely voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.8 percent;
  • 1,138 Pennsylvania likely voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.9 percent.

From September 27 - 29, Quinnipiac University surveyed:
  • 836 Florida likely voters with a margin of error of +/- 3.4 percent;
  • 825 Ohio likely voters with a margin of error of +/- 3.4 percent;
  • 832 Pennsylvania likely voters with a margin of error of +/- 3.4 percent.

The Quinnipiac University Poll, directed by Douglas Schwartz, Ph.D., conducts public opinion surveys in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Florida, Ohio and nationwide as a public service and for research. For more data -- http://www.quinnipiac.edu/polling.xml, or call (203) 582-5201.

1. If the election for President were being held today, and the candidates were Barack Obama the Democrat and John McCain the Republican, for whom would you vote? (If undecided q1) As of today, do you lean more toward Obama or McCain? This table includes "Leaners".

                     LIKELY VOTERS...........................................
                     PreDeb   POST DEBATE ...................................
                                                                        IMPQ6
FLORIDA              Tot      Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom    Econ


Obama 49% 51% 10% 86% 52% 45% 57% 56% McCain 43 43 87 10 40 50 37 37 SMONE ELSE(VOL) 1 1 - - 3 1 1 - WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) - - - - - - - - DK/NA 7 5 3 4 6 4 6 7



WHITE......................................... NoColl College BrnAgn Tot Degree Degree Men Wom Evngl Cath

Obama 45% 43% 49% 41% 48% 24% 44% McCain 50 50 47 55 45 71 51 SMONE ELSE(VOL) 1 1 - 1 1 2 - WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) - - - - - - - DK/NA 5 5 4 4 6 3 5

TREND: If the election for President were being held today, and the candidates were Barack Obama the Democrat and John McCain the Republican, for whom would you vote? (If undecided) As of today, do you lean more toward Obama or McCain? This table includes "Leaners". (* pre debate, ** post debate)

FL                   Oct 1   Oct 1   Sep 11  Aug 26  Jul 31  Jun 18
                     2008**  2008*   2008    2008    2008    2008


Obama 51 49 43 43 46 47 McCain 43 43 50 47 44 43 SMONE ELSE(VOL) 1 1 1 2 2 2 WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) - - - - - - DK/NA 5 7 6 8 7 8



1a. Is your mind made up, or do you think you might change your mind before the election?

                     LIKELY VOTERS................
                     CANDIDATE CHOICE GIVEN Q1....
                              POST DEBATE.........
                     PreDeb          CANDCHOICE Q1
FL                   Tot      Tot    Obama  McCain


Made up 89% 87% 89% 85% Might change 10 12 10 14 DK/NA 1 1 1 1





1. If the election for President were being held today, and the candidates were Barack Obama the Democrat and John McCain the Republican, for whom would you vote? (If undecided q1) As of today, do you lean more toward Obama or McCain? This table includes "Leaners".

                     LIKELY VOTERS...........................................
                     PreDeb   POST DEBATE ...................................
                                                                        IMPQ6
OHIO                 Tot      Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom    Econ


Obama 49% 50% 12% 85% 46% 46% 53% 57% McCain 42 42 85 10 42 46 39 34 SMONE ELSE(VOL) 1 1 - 1 1 1 - 1 WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) - - - - - - - - DK/NA 8 7 3 4 11 6 7 8

WHITE......................................... NoColl College BrnAgn Tot Degree Degree Men Wom Evngl Cath

Obama 44% 42% 49% 43% 44% 30% 48% McCain 49 49 48 50 47 62 47 SMONE ELSE(VOL) 1 1 1 1 - - 1 WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) - - - - - - - DK/NA 7 8 3 6 8 7 3

TREND: If the election for President were being held today, and the candidates were Barack Obama the Democrat and John McCain the Republican, for whom would you vote? (If undecided) As of today, do you lean more toward Obama or McCain? This table includes "Leaners". (* pre debate, ** post debate)

OH                   Oct 1   Oct 1   Sep 11  Aug 26  Jul 31  Jun 18
                     2008**  2008*   2008    2008    2008    2008


Obama 50 49 49 44 46 48 McCain 42 42 44 43 44 42 SMONE ELSE(VOL) 1 1 1 2 1 2 WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) - - - - - - DK/NA 7 8 5 11 8 7





1a. Is your mind made up, or do you think you might change your mind before the election?

                     LIKELY VOTERS................
                     CANDIDATE CHOICE GIVEN Q1....
                              POST DEBATE.........
OH                   Tot      Tot    Obama  McCain


Made up 83% 82% 82% 83% Might change 15 16 17 15 DK/NA 1 1 1 1



1. If the election for President were being held today, and the candidates were Barack Obama the Democrat and John McCain the Republican, for whom would you vote? (If undecided q1) As of today, do you lean more toward Obama or McCain? This table includes "Leaners".

                     LIKELY VOTERS...........................................
                     PreDeb   POST DEBATE ...................................
                                                                        IMPQ6
PENNSYLVANIA         Tot      Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom    Econ


Obama 49% 54% 10% 84% 59% 49% 58% 60% McCain 43 39 85 12 29 45 34 34 SMONE ELSE(VOL) 1 1 2 - 2 2 - 1 WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) - - - - - - - - DK/NA 7 6 3 3 10 4 7 6

WHITE......................................... NoColl College BrnAgn Tot Degree Degree Men Wom Evngl Cath



Obama 49% 48% 51% 43% 54% 35% 45% McCain 45 45 45 51 40 62 47 SMONE ELSE(VOL) 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) - - - - - - - DK/NA 5 6 3 4 5 2 7

TREND: If the election for President were being held today, and the candidates were Barack Obama the Democrat and John McCain the Republican, for whom would you vote? (If undecided) As of today, do you lean more toward Obama or McCain? This table includes "Leaners". (* pre debate, ** post debate)

PA                   Oct 1   Oct 1   Sep 11  Aug 26  Jul 31  Jun 18
                     2008**  2008*   2008    2008    2008    2008


Obama 54 49 48 49 49 52 McCain 39 43 45 42 42 40 SMONE ELSE(VOL) 1 1 1 1 1 2 WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) - - - - - - DK/NA 6 7 6 9 8 7



1a. Is your mind made up, or do you think you might change your mind before the election?

                     LIKELY VOTERS................
                     CANDIDATE CHOICE GIVEN Q1....
                              POST DEBATE.........
PA                   Tot      Tot    Obama  McCain


Made up 82% 84% 84% 83%

Might change 16 16 15 17 DK/NA 1 1 1 1



2. Is your opinion of -- Barack Obama favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                     LIKELY VOTERS..................................
                     PreDeb   POST DEBATE .........................
FL                   Tot      Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom


Favorable 56% 58% 24% 88% 59% 51% 65% Unfavorable 31 33 67 6 28 38 27 Hvn't hrd enough 10 8 7 5 12 9 6 REFUSED 2 2 2 1 1 2 2

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... OH Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Favorable 53% 54% 19% 82% 53% 49% 58% Unfavorable 32 32 65 8 30 35 29 Hvn't hrd enough 13 12 15 7 15 13 10 REFUSED 2 3 1 3 2 3 2

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... PA Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Favorable 54% 61% 24% 86% 66% 58% 64% Unfavorable 31 28 62 6 23 32 24 Hvn't hrd enough 12 9 12 6 9 8 9 REFUSED 3 3 2 2 1 1 3



3. Is your opinion of -- John McCain favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                     LIKELY VOTERS..................................
                     PreDeb   POST DEBATE ..........................
FL                   Tot      Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom


Favorable 52% 52% 88% 21% 53% 60% 45% Unfavorable 37 39 8 66 38 33 44 Hvn't hrd enough 8 7 3 10 6 6 8 REFUSED 3 2 1 3 3 1 3

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... OH Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Favorable 50% 49% 85% 19% 49% 52% 46% Unfavorable 39 40 8 71 35 39 40 Hvn't hrd enough 9 8 6 5 12 7 9 REFUSED 3 3 1 5 3 2 5

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... PA Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Favorable 50% 45% 83% 20% 42% 49% 41% Unfavorable 37 44 10 68 45 43 45 Hvn't hrd enough 10 9 7 8 12 6 11 REFUSED 3 3 - 4 1 2 3



4. Is your opinion of -- Joe Biden favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                     LIKELY VOTERS..................................
                     PreDeb   POST DEBATE ..........................
FL                   Tot      Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom


Favorable 44% 47% 22% 73% 44% 46% 48% Unfavorable 27 27 51 6 25 32 22 Hvn't hrd enough 29 24 24 20 28 19 29 REFUSED 1 2 2 1 2 3 1

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... OH Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom



Favorable 39% 38% 18% 67% 27% 35% 40% Unfavorable 26 27 50 6 29 34 21 Hvn't hrd enough 34 34 30 27 42 30 37 REFUSED 1 1 2 - 1 1 1

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... PA Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Favorable 45% 49% 20% 67% 55% 46% 51% Unfavorable 24 23 55 5 17 31 17 Hvn't hrd enough 29 26 24 27 28 21 30 REFUSED 2 2 1 1 1 2 1



5. Is your opinion of -- Sarah Palin favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about her?

                     LIKELY VOTERS..................................
                     PreDeb   POST DEBATE ..........................
FL                   Tot      Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom


Favorable 42% 36% 67% 14% 30% 40% 32% Unfavorable 36 39 13 61 39 33 44 Hvn't hrd enough 21 23 17 22 31 25 21 REFUSED 1 2 3 2 - 1 3

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... OH Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Favorable 40% 35% 68% 10% 33% 34% 36% Unfavorable 33 35 7 63 30 35 35 Hvn't hrd enough 26 28 25 25 34 30 27 REFUSED 1 2 - 2 3 1 3

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... PA Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Favorable 38% 34% 74% 14% 21% 40% 30% Unfavorable 34 37 9 54 44 32 40 Hvn't hrd enough 28 28 17 32 35 28 28 REFUSED 1 1 - 1 - - 2



6. Which of the following will be the single most important issue in your vote in the election for President this year? (READ OPTIONS)

                     LIKELY VOTERS..................................
                     PreDeb   POST DEBATE ..........................
FL                   Tot      Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom


Terrorism 10% 7% 15% 1% 6% 8% 6% The war in Iraq 9 8 7 13 5 8 8 The economy 61 60 57 67 54 58 62 Illegal immigration 3 4 4 2 5 5 3 Energy policy 6 7 6 5 12 9 5 Health care 6 7 5 8 9 5 10 SOMETHING ELSE(VOL) 2 4 4 1 6 5 2 DK/NA 3 3 3 3 4 2 4 PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... OH Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Terrorism 8% 8% 19% 1% 9% 11% 7% The war in Iraq 8 9 8 8 11 9 9 The economy 59 59 50 70 54 54 64 Illegal immigration 3 1 4 1 - 1 1 Energy policy 7 8 8 5 9 11 4 Health care 11 8 4 11 8 6 10 SOMETHING ELSE(VOL) 2 3 4 2 4 3 3 DK/NA 3 3 5 2 3 5 2



PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... PA Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Terrorism 8% 6% 12% 2% 6% 7% 5% The war in Iraq 7 9 6 12 7 11 7 The economy 57 59 55 60 61 57 61 Illegal immigration 3 2 5 1 1 3 2 Energy policy 8 8 10 5 11 10 6 Health care 10 10 6 16 6 7 13 SOMETHING ELSE(VOL) 3 3 3 1 6 3 4 DK/NA 5 3 3 2 3 3 2



7a. (Pre Debate only) As you may know, there will be a televised Presidential debate between Barack Obama and John McCain this Friday night. Do you plan on watching this debate?

                     LIKELY VOTERS
                     Pre Debate
FL                   Tot


Yes 83% No 12 DK/NA 5

OH Tot

Yes 81% No 14 DK/NA 5

PA Tot

Yes 78% No 18 DK/NA 4



8a. (Pre Debate only) How likely is it that this presidential debate could change your mind about who you will vote for this year? Very likely, somewhat likely, not too likely, or not likely at all?

                     LIKELY VOTERS
                     Pre Debate
FL                   Tot


Very likely 4% Smwht likely 14 Not too likely 20 Not likely 60 DK/NA 2

OH Tot

Very likely 3% Smwht likely 15 Not too likely 23 Not likely 55 DK/NA 3

PA Tot



Very likely 5% Smwht likely 16 Not too likely 24 Not likely 52 DK/NA 2



9a. (Pre Debate only) Who do you think will do a better job in the debate - Barack Obama or John McCain?

                     LIKELY VOTERS
                     Pre Debate
FL                   Tot


Obama 53% McCain 27 DK/NA 20

OH Tot

Obama 53% McCain 27 DK/NA 20

PA Tot

Obama 53% McCain 26 DK/NA 21



7b. (Post Debate only) Did you watch the televised Presidential debate between Barack Obama and John McCain that was on Friday night?



                     LIKELY VOTERS.........................
                     POST DEBATE ..........................
FL                   Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom


Yes 79% 80% 79% 78% 81% 77% No 21 20 21 22 19 22 DK/NA - - - - - -

POST DEBATE .......................... OH Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Yes 64% 69% 64% 62% 61% 68% No 35 31 36 38 39 32 DK/NA - - - - - -

POST DEBATE .......................... PA Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Yes 65% 60% 64% 70% 65% 65% No 35 40 35 30 34 35 DK/NA - - 1 - 1 -



8b. (Post Debate) Did this debate change how you will vote?

                     LIKELY VOTERS...........................................
                     POST DEBATE ............................................
FL                   Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom    Watched Debate


Yes 3% 3% 2% 4% 4% 1% 3% No 88 91 88 85 88 88 95 DK/NA 9 7 10 11 8 11 2



POST DEBATE ............................................ OH Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom Watched Debate

Yes 3% 2% 2% 4% 2% 4% 4% No 84 86 85 81 86 82 95 DK/NA 14 12 13 15 12 15 2

POST DEBATE ............................................ PA Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom Watched Debate

Yes 2% 2% 3% 2% 2% 2% 4% No 89 88 88 91 89 89 96 DK/NA 9 11 8 7 9 9 1



9b. (Post Debate) Who do you think did a better job in the debate - Barack Obama or John McCain?

                     LIKELY VOTERS...........................................
                     POST DEBATE ............................................
FL                   Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom    Watched Debate


Obama 42% 15% 66% 40% 38% 46% 49% McCain 29 58 8 25 35 24 34 DK/NA 29 27 26 34 27 30 17

POST DEBATE ............................................ OH Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom Watched Debate

Obama 35% 12% 54% 34% 32% 37% 49% McCain 22 47 7 19 22 23 33 DK/NA 43 41 40 46 46 40 18

POST DEBATE ............................................ PA Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom Watched Debate



Obama 39% 10% 59% 43% 36% 42% 51% McCain 22 46 9 16 27 19 30 DK/NA 38 44 32 41 38 39 19



10. Regardless of whom you support for President - who do you trust more to handle - the economy - Barack Obama or John McCain?

                     LIKELY VOTERS..................................
                     PreDeb   POST DEBATE ..........................
FL                   Tot      Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom


Obama 50% 53% 16% 85% 52% 48% 57% McCain 40 39 78 10 35 44 33 DK/NA 10 9 6 5 13 8 10

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... OH Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Obama 49% 50% 12% 85% 46% 47% 53% McCain 39 39 81 9 38 44 35 DK/NA 12 10 7 6 16 9 12

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... PA Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Obama 50% 55% 14% 83% 59% 50% 59% McCain 39 36 80 11 24 43 30 DK/NA 11 9 7 6 17 7 11



11. Regardless of whom you support for President - who do you trust more to handle - foreign policy - Barack Obama or John McCain?

                     LIKELY VOTERS..................................
                     PreDeb   POST DEBATE ..........................
FL                   Tot      Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom


Obama 42% 41% 7% 74% 39% 35% 46% McCain 51 52 89 18 52 59 44 DK/NA 8 8 4 8 9 5 10

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... OH Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Obama 39% 38% 8% 66% 37% 34% 43% McCain 51 53 91 23 51 58 47 DK/NA 10 9 1 10 12 8 10

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... PA Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom



Obama 39% 45% 6% 72% 47% 41% 48% McCain 53 48 92 19 46 56 42 DK/NA 8 7 2 9 7 3 9



12. Regardless of whom you support for President, Who do you trust more to handle - the war in Iraq - Barack Obama or John McCain?

                     LIKELY VOTERS..................................
                     PreDeb   POST DEBATE ..........................
FL                   Tot      Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom


Obama 46% 45% 8% 80% 43% 42% 49% McCain 47 48 89 14 47 55 41 DK/NA 7 7 3 6 10 4 10

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... OH Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Obama 46% 43% 5% 75% 41% 38% 47% McCain 46 50 92 19 49 57 44 DK/NA 8 7 3 6 10 5 9

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... PA Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Obama 44% 49% 11% 77% 49% 43% 54% McCain 48 45 88 16 42 54 37 DK/NA 8 6 2 7 8 3 9



13. Regardless of whom you support for President, Who do you trust more to handle - a terrorist incident in the United States - Barack Obama or John McCain?

                     LIKELY VOTERS..................................
                     PreDeb   POST DEBATE ..........................
FL                   Tot      Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom


Obama 41% 41% 8% 76% 35% 35% 48% McCain 49 51 89 15 56 58 44 DK/NA 9 8 3 9 9 7 8

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... OH Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Obama 37% 37% 4% 65% 35% 32% 41% McCain 53 53 92 21 53 60 46 DK/NA 10 11 4 13 12 8 13

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... PA Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom



Obama 38% 42% 8% 67% 43% 36% 48% McCain 53 47 88 23 40 55 40 DK/NA 8 10 4 10 16 9 11



14. Regardless of whom you support for President, Who do you trust more to handle - relations with Russia - Barack Obama or John McCain?

                     LIKELY VOTERS..................................
                     PreDeb   POST DEBATE ..........................
FL                   Tot      Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom


Obama 45% 45% 9% 78% 44% 41% 49% McCain 45 47 87 15 45 53 41 DK/NA 10 8 4 7 11 6 10

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... OH Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Obama 43% 39% 8% 68% 37% 38% 41% McCain 46 48 89 17 47 52 45 DK/NA 11 12 3 15 16 10 14

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... PA Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Obama 41% 45% 7% 73% 46% 42% 48% McCain 46 44 87 16 37 51 38 DK/NA 14 11 6 10 17 7 14



15. Regardless of whom you support for President, Who do you trust more to handle - the energy crisis and make America less dependent on foreign oil - Barack Obama or John McCain?

                     LIKELY VOTERS..................................
                     PreDeb   POST DEBATE ..........................
FL                   Tot      Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom


Obama 54% 54% 16% 85% 56% 48% 59% McCain 37 38 77 11 32 44 32 DK/NA 9 9 7 4 13 8 10

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... OH Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Obama 53% 53% 17% 87% 51% 48% 58% McCain 37 36 73 8 35 42 31 DK/NA 11 10 10 5 14 10 11

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... PA Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom



Obama 56% 59% 19% 84% 68% 55% 63% McCain 34 33 74 11 21 39 28 DK/NA 10 8 7 5 11 6 9



16. Regardless of whom you support for President, Who do you trust more to handle - a potential conflict between Israel and Iran - Barack Obama or John McCain?

                     LIKELY VOTERS..................................
                     PreDeb   POST DEBATE ..........................
FL                   Tot      Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom


Obama 43% 42% 8% 75% 39% 37% 46% McCain 49 49 89 16 48 56 42 DK/NA 8 9 3 9 13 7 12

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... OH Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Obama 43% 40% 7% 72% 36% 40% 41% McCain 46 49 87 20 50 53 46 DK/NA 11 10 6 8 14 7 13

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... PA Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Obama 41% 45% 12% 72% 42% 40% 49% McCain 47 46 84 20 44 52 40 DK/NA 13 9 4 8 14 8 10



17. Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as President?

                     LIKELY VOTERS..................................
                     PreDeb   POST DEBATE ..........................
FL                   Tot      Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom


Approve 24% 22% 53% 5% 11% 21% 23% Disapprove 70 73 42 93 83 74 72 DK/NA 6 5 5 2 6 5 5

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... OH Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Approve 25% 24% 54% 3% 20% 25% 23% Disapprove 69 71 40 94 73 69 72 DK/NA 6 6 6 3 6 6 5

PreDeb POST DEBATE .......................... PA Tot Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom



Approve 23% 20% 48% 5% 11% 19% 20% Disapprove 72 75 44 93 84 76 74 DK/NA 4 5 8 2 5 5 6



18. (Post Debate) Do you think John McCain's role in trying to solve the nation's economic crisis has been helpful or harmful?

                     LIKELY VOTERS.........................
                     POST DEBATE ..........................
FL                   Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom


Helpful 45% 73% 23% 39% 47% 43% Harmful 31 7 56 30 28 34 DK/NA 24 20 21 31 24 23

OH POST DEBATE .......................... Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Helpful 43% 70% 21% 44% 44% 42% Harmful 33 11 52 32 32 34 DK/NA 24 19 26 24 23 24

POST DEBATE .......................... PA Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Helpful 39% 67% 23% 33% 45% 34% Harmful 35 9 55 33 32 37 DK/NA 26 23 21 35 23 28



19. (Post Debate) Do you think Barack Obama's role in trying to solve the nation's economic crisis has been helpful or harmful?

                     LIKELY VOTERS.........................
                     POST DEBATE ..........................
FL                   Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom


Helpful 53% 33% 73% 49% 48% 57% Harmful 20 38 6 20 25 16 DK/NA 27 29 21 31 27 26

OH POST DEBATE .......................... Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Helpful 50% 32% 65% 52% 48% 53% Harmful 23 41 7 24 26 20 DK/NA 27 27 29 24 26 28

POST DEBATE .......................... PA Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Helpful 51% 32% 67% 48% 51% 50% Harmful 15 28 9 9 18 13 DK/NA 34 40 24 42 31 36



20. (Post Debate) Do you think the presidential candidates should have been involved in the White House negotiations on the nation's economic crisis or should they have stayed on the campaign trail?

                     LIKELY VOTERS.........................
                     POST DEBATE ..........................
FL                   Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom


Wht House negotiations 60% 79% 43% 62% 64% 57% Campaign trail 34 15 50 32 32 36 DK/NA 6 5 6 6 4 8



POST DEBATE .......................... OH Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Wht House negotiations 66% 79% 57% 66% 68% 65% Campaign trail 27 18 37 24 28 26 DK/NA 7 4 7 10 4 9

POST DEBATE .......................... PA Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Wht House negotiations 61% 78% 50% 62% 59% 62% Campaign trail 32 19 42 33 34 31 DK/NA 7 4 9 5 6 8



21. (Post Debate) Do you support or oppose the 700 billion dollar plan to solve the nation's economic crisis?

                     LIKELY VOTERS.........................
                     POST DEBATE ..........................
FL                   Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom


Support 36% 42% 33% 34% 36% 35% Oppose 42 34 44 48 47 38 DK/NA 22 24 23 19 17 27

OH POST DEBATE .......................... Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Support 29% 29% 30% 29% 31% 27% Oppose 48 49 49 43 47 48 DK/NA 24 23 21 27 22 25

POST DEBATE .......................... PA Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom

Support 33% 31% 37% 33% 35% 32% Oppose 46 47 42 50 46 45 DK/NA 21 21 21 18 19 23





TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida; US: Ohio; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: poll; quinnipiac

1 posted on 10/01/2008 9:31:24 AM PDT by Alter Kaker
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To: Alter Kaker

This was posted this morning.


2 posted on 10/01/2008 9:32:37 AM PDT by Perdogg (Vice President Sarah H Palin - Make it happen !!!!)
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To: Alter Kaker

Brought to you by the people who told you about the bipartisan bailout plan passed last Thursday.


3 posted on 10/01/2008 9:32:47 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Perdogg
This was posted this morning.

Sorry, I searched and couldn't find it.

4 posted on 10/01/2008 9:33:13 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

barf!


5 posted on 10/01/2008 9:33:36 AM PDT by nobamanada (No Way, No How, No Hussein)
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To: Alter Kaker

Obama’s “ability to handle the economy”??? Honestly, do these people really want socialism, or do they just don’t know?


6 posted on 10/01/2008 9:34:10 AM PDT by wk4bush2004
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To: Alter Kaker
These internals are much different from all the other internals I've seen---"suburban," black/white, etc.

Perhaps Quinn. is right. If just a couple of states shift, you can see a big shift in the electoral college for either candidate.

However, all the other internals I've seen suggest Obama cannot win: he's losing among suburbanites; he's getting only 70% of Dems vs. 90% GOP voting for Mccain; he's getting "only" 73% of blacks (down from 91% voting for Kerry). So I guess we'll see.

7 posted on 10/01/2008 9:35:18 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Alter Kaker

Likely voters - pasha. Means nothing.


8 posted on 10/01/2008 9:35:28 AM PDT by svcw (Great selection of gift baskets: http://baskettastic.com/)
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To: Alter Kaker

Quinnipiac = Useless junk.

Not one of their polls have ever provided useful information, not even for trend analysis. They’re all over the map, but always with an overwhelming liberal bias.


9 posted on 10/01/2008 9:35:48 AM PDT by kevkrom (Beware the "Blueshirts": Obama's own jack-booted thugs)
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To: Perdogg

Obama winning women by 20%. 57-37. Fake but accurate I’m sure.


10 posted on 10/01/2008 9:37:19 AM PDT by johncocktoasten (Obama/Biden '08, in and of itself, A Bridge To Nowhere)
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To: Alter Kaker

See tagline.


11 posted on 10/01/2008 9:37:43 AM PDT by Antoninus (Ignore the polls. They're meant to shape public opinion, not measure it.)
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To: LS
If just a couple of states shift, you can see a big shift in the electoral college for either candidate.

To see the kinds of shifts we're smelling with these three polls, McCain/Palin would need to be trailing nationally by over ten points. They're not.

12 posted on 10/01/2008 9:38:33 AM PDT by impeachedrapist (Bill Clinton, as Arkanas Attorney General did you make Juanita Broaddrick pay for her own rape kit??)
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To: Alter Kaker

This particular outfit doesn’t inspire confidence. I’d toss their results in the dumpster, along with American Research Group.


13 posted on 10/01/2008 9:38:44 AM PDT by Chet 99
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To: kevkrom
Quinnipiac = Useless junk.

When Debka isn't providing your answers trust Quinnipiac. /snicker

14 posted on 10/01/2008 9:38:59 AM PDT by badpacifist (Personal attacks on someones opinion of a "news article" you happened to post is asinine..)
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To: LS
However, all the other internals I've seen suggest Obama cannot win: he's losing among suburbanites; he's getting only 70% of Dems vs. 90% GOP voting for Mccain; he's getting "only" 73% of blacks (down from 91% voting for Kerry).

I seriously question the "internals" you are quoting here. No way do 25-30% of DEMs vote for McCain, and definitely no way do only 73% of blacks vote for Obama.

15 posted on 10/01/2008 9:39:33 AM PDT by CatOwner
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To: LS

The Ohio result is absurd.


16 posted on 10/01/2008 9:40:40 AM PDT by Chet 99
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To: kevkrom
I don't anything about the polls but the polls are being used to LIE to the public....bamey probably thinks that his fascist legions have already rigged the vote....

no matter....

DON'T GO WOBBLY FOLKS..DON'T GO WOBBLY...

MAC AND SARAHCUDA ARE GOING TO DO IT....1

17 posted on 10/01/2008 9:41:14 AM PDT by cherry
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To: CatOwner
I seriously question the "internals" you are quoting here. No way do 25-30% of DEMs vote for McCain, and definitely no way do only 73% of blacks vote for Obama.

Hey, for once I agree with you!

Did you get your "Country First" yard sign up yet?

18 posted on 10/01/2008 9:42:55 AM PDT by impeachedrapist (Bill Clinton, as Arkanas Attorney General did you make Juanita Broaddrick pay for her own rape kit??)
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To: CatOwner
Sorry, them's the numbers. It was the Harris poll last week. More? The poll out on OH (lost track of which) had McCain and Obama tied in Montgomery Co., OH. Kerry carried the county by 2%.

There is serious chicanery or incompetence involved in some of these polls. I don't know which ones.

19 posted on 10/01/2008 9:44:43 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: cherry

notice they make no mention of how many reps or dems they interviewed, i think you can guess.


20 posted on 10/01/2008 9:45:31 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: CatOwner
No way do 25-30% of DEMs vote for McCain

I don't know about that. ~20% of Hillary voters have said they are supporting McCain, and there are large numbers of blue-collar and Southern Democrats who aren't going to be voting Obama. Party affiliation doesn't absolutely indicate voter preference. I spent several evenings in 2004 phone-banking Democrats in liberal Orange County, NC urging them to vote for Bush. I had more than a few positive responses.

and definitely no way do only 73% of blacks vote for Obama

Obama is widely viewed as "not authentically black" by many in the black community. Couple that with his extremely liberal positions (even more so than the average Dimocrat) on social issues, and I can see him depressing, rather than elevating, black turnout for the Dims.

21 posted on 10/01/2008 9:45:50 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: sunmars
JUST DON'T GO WOBBLY FOLKS.....DONATE...VOLUNTEER AND VOTE AND GET ALL YOUR LIKE MINDED FRIENDS AND FAMILY TO VOTE...

bamey IS TRYING TO LITERALLY STEAL THE ELECTION.....SO ARE THE DRIVEBYS.....DON'T LET THEM DO IT...

22 posted on 10/01/2008 9:49:22 AM PDT by cherry
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To: wk4bush2004

Obama’s “ability to handle the economy”??? Honestly, do these people really want socialism, or do they just don’t know?

***********

They don’t know and they don’t care. All they know is “take care of ME”...”take away the blame for MY spending habits”...give me free healthcare as I do not practice a healthy lifestyle”...”punish those who have make an economic haven for themselves as it’s not fair! I want part of what they earned for MYSELF!”.

They know nothing of the American ideal. They know the “me” ideal. Not a single molecule in their being gives a damn for anything outside of their pleasures. That sums it up IMO.


23 posted on 10/01/2008 9:51:19 AM PDT by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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To: LS

I’m in Richmond, Va. Big swing state. We had our 5th annual “Republican Round Up” last Saturday, sponsored by Eric Cantor, Bill Bolling(Lt. Gov)etc. Huge BBQ, free beer and wine, bands, really awesome! 4x’s the usual crowd with standing room only. Probably 7-10% black which is up from 1-2% any previous year. Not scientific but telling about the enthusiasm over Palin. That’s all anyone talked about. “Women for Palin” stickers everywhere. Much dissapointment when they ran out. (which they did and shouldn’t have)


24 posted on 10/01/2008 9:54:56 AM PDT by albie
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To: Chet 99
The Ohio result is absurd.

Not as absurd as an 8% Obama lead in Florida. Nothing is sillier than that.

25 posted on 10/01/2008 9:55:46 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (White Trash for Sarah!)
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To: albie

HI RICHMOND!!! I’m in redneck country...Pulaski Co. of South-western Virginia.

McCain/Palin are pretty hot down here too. Our concern IS the Richmond/D.C. area with all of the libs going for Obama “ruining” the Virginia electoral votes.

You know? The Marxist way of controlling the population is providing lies in the media/to the masses. Is that all you think these polls are??? The left’s Marxist way of trying to intimidate and force the election to go socialist??


26 posted on 10/01/2008 9:57:32 AM PDT by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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To: Alter Kaker

Last election Quinnipiac had all kinds of details about who they polled.

This year there’s nothing!

No demographics- age, race, sex, party preference...
Very sad


27 posted on 10/01/2008 9:57:33 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith

Maybe they polled Rev. Wright’s congregation???


28 posted on 10/01/2008 9:58:37 AM PDT by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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To: Alter Kaker

29 posted on 10/01/2008 9:59:32 AM PDT by LuigiBasco (It's almost too late to restart The Crusades. (What are we waiting for))
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To: cherry

bumparino!


30 posted on 10/01/2008 9:59:42 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: sevinufnine

Excellent comment! I agree 100%! You know, the liberal socialists seem determined to “punish” the wealthy. I know for a fact that there are many wealthy people in this country who have worked very hard for their money, but the liberals don’t seem to care. In their view, if you have a lot of money, you should be “punished.”

Obama’s socialist plans for America will lead to disaster and I hope and pray that Americans will actually think about this before they vote.


31 posted on 10/01/2008 10:00:22 AM PDT by wk4bush2004
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To: Alter Kaker

This is the World Net Daily of pollsters.


32 posted on 10/01/2008 10:04:26 AM PDT by cw35
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To: sevinufnine

I suspect the internaals were hidden on purpose so this poll would be a big story.

We sure don’t know who this result represents.

I’m looking at retiring to SW VA next year from Rich suburb. Great housing values out there for a retiree- and beautiful country!


33 posted on 10/01/2008 10:05:38 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: sevinufnine

Hello Pulaski! My fathers entire family is from Pulaski, Salem and Roanoke. Beautiful country, nice genuine people. Used to go to “Lakeside Amusment Park” in Roanoke back in the 60’s when I was a little boy.

This was posted earlier today if you haven’t seen it. It’s a positive read. Hopefully accurate.

The Collins Report ^ | Oct. 1, 2008. | Kevin ?Coach? Collins

Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:36:55 AM by jmaroneps37

Recent poll numbers beg for further investigation into how polls work and are used to
sometimes direct public opinion instead of reflect it.

The American Association of Public Opinion Research (AAPOR) provides some answers.

The AAPOR suggests that of each 100 calls a typical pollster makes just 12 fully
completed interviews of ?registered? voters will be conducted. There are 88 calls that
fail to meet the standard for a usable interview and are disgarded. There are hang-ups,
bad numbers, answering machines and most frequently, refusals to even start.
Consequently, in order to get 500 respondents, the usual number used in state polls, they
have to make 6,000 calls.

As experience has shown us, ?registered voters? are less reliable indicators of eventual
electoral outcomes than ?likely voters.? Since just 60% of registered voters are likely
voters, the number of calls balloons to 9600. This is why, although it is the actual
?gold standard? of polling, we rarely see polls of likely voters, except from the largest
companies.

AAPOR acknowledges that pollsters can make polls ?come out? as they want them to.

As AAPOR reports, there is nothing random about polls. Zogby uses Internet polls that beg
for abuse by agenda motivated respondents.

Pollsters re-call the same people and admit doing so.

How else could they meet deadlines and budget targets?

When they ?want? a poll showing McCain down 8 points, having a list of respondents who
will say they favor Obama is very useful.

Polls are regularly used as psychological weapons to dampen the fighting spirit of
Republican voters. They are never used to dampen Democrats.

Remember the final 2004 Election Day prediction from John Zogby saying John Kerry would
get at least 310 Electoral votes? He was so wrong that his pronouncement could not
possibly have been merely ?an error.?


34 posted on 10/01/2008 10:06:44 AM PDT by albie
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To: wk4bush2004

Excellent comment! I agree 100%! You know, the liberal socialists seem determined to “punish” the wealthy. I know for a fact that there are many wealthy people in this country who have worked very hard for their money, but the liberals don’t seem to care. In their view, if you have a lot of money, you should be “punished.”

Obama’s socialist plans for America will lead to disaster and I hope and pray that Americans will actually think about this before they vote.
***********

Yes, I too hope they think long and hard about what they are voting for. Since most socialists are also evolutionist...why do they see a problem with allowing those “less fortunate” to their own demise? Isn’t that called Natural Selection???


35 posted on 10/01/2008 10:12:16 AM PDT by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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To: albie

These polls are going to result in a hue and cry on November 5th that McCain “stole” the election. Why, they will ask, did all the polls show Obama way ahead before election day and McCain ends up winning? If these polls continue to mislead the American people and McCain ends up winning the left will have an excuse to take to the streets. If this happens it will be the fault of the MSM.


36 posted on 10/01/2008 10:13:42 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: Alter Kaker

What party ID breakdown is assumed?


37 posted on 10/01/2008 10:13:47 AM PDT by Harry Wurzbach (Rep. Thaddeus McCotter is my hero.)
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To: wk4bush2004
Honestly, do these people really want socialism

Yes, they do. Most Americans seem to love socialism as long as you call it something else, and they also hate freedom.
38 posted on 10/01/2008 10:25:02 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio

If it is to be socialism, why go Socialist “Lite” by voting for McCain when you can have the real thing by voting for the Messiah? (sarcasm of course, but is it?)


39 posted on 10/03/2008 10:19:02 AM PDT by buckalfa (confused and bewildered)
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To: buckalfa

I don’t vote for socialism or socialism lite. I vote for smaller, less intrusive government.


40 posted on 10/03/2008 10:40:00 AM PDT by mysterio
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