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Gay Democrats Respond to Palin Accusations on Sexual Orientation
MarketWatch ^ | 10/1/08

Posted on 10/01/2008 9:52:55 AM PDT by steve-b

Today, the National Stonewall Democrats issued the following statement in response by accusations from Governor Sarah Palin that sexual orientation is a choice:

"John McCain chose a poor running mate, but he did not choose his sexual orientation. This is another example of why we need a pro-equality President like Barack Obama in the White House. For Governor Palin to suggest that individuals randomly choose their sexual orientation based on nothing but a whim is wrong and it repeats the talking points of the anti-gay special interests which continue to control the McCain/Palin campaign and the Republican Party."...

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1 posted on 10/01/2008 9:52:55 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: steve-b

Darn. Sarah has lost the gay democrat vote.


2 posted on 10/01/2008 9:53:58 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: steve-b

It is a Choice..

Born Blind is not a Choice..

Gays can marry.. they cannot re-define marraige...

Priests make a CHOICE of Celibacy

Men make a CHOICE to be faithful or not to there wives...

If you don’t want to be GAY then don’t....GOD gave you free will...

PLEASE CALIFORNIANS VOTE YES!! on PROPOSITION*8


3 posted on 10/01/2008 9:56:58 AM PDT by TaraP (A Big Black Horse and a Cherry Tree)
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To: steve-b

The Dim party is the party of screwups.


4 posted on 10/01/2008 9:58:32 AM PDT by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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To: steve-b

By nature OR nurture, it’s still unnatural and never will be normal.


5 posted on 10/01/2008 9:58:57 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: steve-b

Shame on Sarah. She has an opinion and has expressed it. I guess she just isn’t tolerant like the gays.


6 posted on 10/01/2008 9:59:05 AM PDT by Jerry Attrick
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To: TaraP

Liberalism isn’t a choice either. It’s a mental disorder.


7 posted on 10/01/2008 9:59:33 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: steve-b

If it really was genetic, then by their own “theory of evolution”, homosexuality would have been bred OUT of the human race 10,000 years ago, or so.


8 posted on 10/01/2008 9:59:49 AM PDT by WayneS (Vote Obama bin Biden 2008 - "Because the world doesn't suck enough yet".)
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To: steve-b

The gay lesbatarians are restless.
Unleash the battlewhine ...
Comfortable shoes in every closet!


9 posted on 10/01/2008 10:00:36 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life ;o)
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To: steve-b
"John McCain chose a poor running mate, but he did not choose his sexual orientation"

This sort of tortured logic shows why we should not even listen to these stupid ppeople who can only think with their privates.

10 posted on 10/01/2008 10:03:02 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: steve-b

Those silly savages!....


11 posted on 10/01/2008 10:03:05 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: steve-b

There is not scientific proof that they are born that way. It is just their feeling. I do not buy it. If science proves it is genetic then so be it. But there is NO gay gene.


12 posted on 10/01/2008 10:03:32 AM PDT by therut
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To: TaraP

Let’s see...a baby is a choice.

...but sex is a compulsion? (I couldn’t help myself.)

So does rape also become a “compulsion”?


13 posted on 10/01/2008 10:03:49 AM PDT by Mrs.Z ("...you're a Democrat. You're expected to complain and offer no solutions." Denny Crane)
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To: TaraP
Exactly, they are attempting to remove the idea that *gasp* Behavior is a personal choice...

It is, if a heroin addict stops using heroin, they no longer are a heroin user...

14 posted on 10/01/2008 10:04:27 AM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: Mrs.Z

They’re not Rapists. They’re Undocumented Sex Prtners.


15 posted on 10/01/2008 10:05:27 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: steve-b

Hmmm... Do they quote her “accusations” anywhere? B*tt B*mping is a CHOICE. If I were a man, I’d be very careful about where I CHOSE to put the Little General.


16 posted on 10/01/2008 10:06:40 AM PDT by redhead (Wasilla is finally on the map...and we are NOT happy about it.)
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To: steve-b

If Sarah Palin did say this, she is right! Where one decides to stick his wahoo is indeed a choice.


17 posted on 10/01/2008 10:09:58 AM PDT by upsdriver (I am voting for Sarah Palin and what's his name?)
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To: steve-b
Next they will say that pedophilia is not a choice.
18 posted on 10/01/2008 10:10:55 AM PDT by sportutegrl (0bi has been looking a little wan.)
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To: WayneS

I think people who truly think they were born this way are mixing many components of homosexuality in one big pot of stew....

Homosexuals say..I knew I was Gay when I was 5????WHAT...
Let’s see when I was 5...I still waited for the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny....

I think it is a fetish that becomes an obsession, just like people that become addicted to all kinds of things that tear you away from living a life GOD has in store for all of us....

Seeing 2 Men in top of a Wedding Cake or being married is
like looking upon a Man and a Dolphin engage in Holy Matrimony.. it is goofy, wierd and unacceptable as the Human Being way of life..

Just my 2 cents...:)


19 posted on 10/01/2008 10:10:57 AM PDT by TaraP (A Big Black Horse and a Cherry Tree)
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To: steve-b

Is there such thing as a gay Republican?? ;) LOL


20 posted on 10/01/2008 10:11:43 AM PDT by republicanequestrian
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To: Mrs.Z

Well I see your point....Being pregnant and choosing to abort your baby is wrong..but yes, you do have that choice..you also have the choice to have that baby and love it or put the baby up for adoption..IMHO Life is all about Choice..right and wrong choices....

One of my best friends worked in a Psych Prison...(Yeegads) she did not stay long and she said without a doubt most Pedophiles cannot be cured. However they can Choose to obey the law and respect children....

If people could not control there behaviours they would die when they went to jail...However they manage to live just fine because society gave them a CHOICE to live and obey and they Chose to live in confinement..

Many homosexuals have left the lifestyle out of a Choice..
With GOD’s help and the HUMAN WILL I think most people can overcome most anything...if they CHOOSE to...


21 posted on 10/01/2008 10:19:46 AM PDT by TaraP (A Big Black Horse and a Cherry Tree)
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To: republicanequestrian

Of course there is, and there’s no reason for nongay Republicans not to welcome them.

I saw that interview and clearly Sarah’s intention was to express acceptance and non-judgment. I winced when she used the word ‘choose’, because it is needlessly provocative in a situation where she was trying to be anything but. Was it a tossed-in code word to the less tolerant Christian base? If so, a bad idea.

Was it an example of her being blinded by what’s accepted in the hinterlands, just like Manhattanites, Bostonians and San Franciscans can be obtuse in communicating with their less urban and urbane countrymen? Perhaps. She’s a quick learner and let’s hope she is 100% on point in her next disarmlingly gentle addressing of the subject.


22 posted on 10/01/2008 10:21:14 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: therut

What difference does it make to anyone if I chose to be gay or if I believed I was born that way. Neither would make me a more special faggot or dyke than any other faggot or dyke unless I had a certain natural flare in fashion accessorizing


23 posted on 10/01/2008 10:22:07 AM PDT by Leg Olam ("Somethings got to go, either me or that wallpaper. Oscar Wilde-last words)
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To: steve-b
Governor Palin simply made a logical statement after being asked a leading question by Perky Katie regarding homosexuality.

While Palin's reference to her lifelong gay friend as a context for her response was probably ill-advised, even though true, her comment that she isn't going to judge other peoples choices was entirely in sync with a majority of Americans. We collectively tolerate homosexuality but we don't necessarily endorse it or in any was see it as 'natural'. It isn't.

When the 'gay community' can produce solid scientific evidence that proves homosexual behavior is the result of a gene, I'll change my opinion, as will many others. That day has not arrived and I doubt it ever will. Most Americans understand that homosexual behavior is just that: behavior - a choice.

No one has to have gay sex. I think the majority of Americans get it and would agree with Governor Sarah Palin, who is tolerant of her friend's choice to engage in homosexual behavior but doesn't see it as genetic and unchangeable. Neither do I and I'm not alone in that opinion.

Gays overrate their influence on our society, as opposed to their huge influence on the socialist Democrats and gullible high school and college students. They will not get far attempting to savage Sarah Palin but she needs to stand up and not cave to them. If she does, she'll have a majority of Americans with her.

24 posted on 10/01/2008 10:28:48 AM PDT by Jim Scott (Never, never, never give up! - Winston Churchill)
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To: steve-b

Obama’s free chilfren butt fun bailout.... here we go, here it comes, the truth at last.

Being a pedophile is then not a choice?

The gal of these wicked losers.


25 posted on 10/01/2008 10:32:42 AM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: TaraP
Homosexuals say..I knew I was Gay when I was 5????WHAT...

Most studies show that this is due to early homosexual experience(s) with adults and/or peers. Other top reasons are a dominant, possessive, or rejecting mother and an absent, distant, or rejecting father.

26 posted on 10/01/2008 10:33:38 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Mrs.Z

Clarrence Darrow summed up the liberal/socialist dogma when he said that there is no such thing as a crime, just behavior. He said that back in the 1920’s. John Dewey with the encouragement of the Soviets and Dr. Pavlov set out to remake the American education system by first deconstructing what worked and then replacing it with what he thought would work, “whole word English.” They wanted a dummmed down populace in order to make them dependant upon the government. Strangely enough the Soviets dropped the program when they found that it didn’t work. They went back to phonics.


27 posted on 10/01/2008 10:39:12 AM PDT by RichardMoore (Baldwin2008.com)
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To: steve-b

Engaging in homosexual activity is a choice! Palin’s friend chose to engage in it. That is all Palin’s saying. Sheesh, these gay activists twist language like anything.


28 posted on 10/01/2008 10:45:14 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: republicanequestrian
Ask Larry Craig ; )

Actually, yes, the group calls themselves the "Log Cabin Republicans". You can Google it...I ain't even goin' there...

29 posted on 10/01/2008 10:46:07 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: steve-b

This is undoubtedly a waste of time but here goes:

We are not put here to achieve orgasm.

We are not put here to achieve wealth.

We are not put here to achieve power.

We are not put here to become famous or to be idolized.

We are put here to achieve peace, joy, wisdom.

We achieve peace, joy, wisdom (and ultimately salvation) by exercising our freedom of choice.

Each of us has tests to pass, burdens to overcome, sacrifices to make, trials to face. Sometimes these are very painful and difficult. But we are not given any of these things that we cannot face and overcome.

God has set down guidelines and targets to reach. He has stated these clearly and consistently for as long as human beings have existed. Those who try and learn and follow these guidelines tend to do better - often much better - than those who do not. And by “better” I don’t mean by the acquistion of wealth, fame, power or any of the things valued by the majority in this world (though these things sometimes do come to those who try and do God’s will). By “better” I mean that people who try and do God’s will find more peace, more joy, more wisdom and greater certainty of salvation than those who do not.

I do not object to people making bad choices. Not even God will thwart them and bad choices apparently must be made in order to come to a true understanding of what it means to make good choices. I condemn no one who makes evil or stupid choices so long as these do not result in harm to others. As a Chistian I am commanded to forgive and to give aid, if I am able, to any in need - even to the wicked and to my enemies.

Those who complain about the unfairness and harshness of life; of the injustice and cruelty; of the insurmountable burdens and torture; to these I say: welcome to the world as it is for all of us. There is a way out, a way to cope, a way to make the burden manageable and the torture bearable. But, like everything else in this world, it requires a choice be made and a real choice at that. Halfhearted measures don’t work so well and hypocrisy tends to make things worse.

If your life is a mess and you hate how things are look no further than yourself for the reason why. You can destroy every imagined source of your discomfort or you can shut it all away from sight or silence it or otherwise try and bury it and nothing will change. There is a God. He is real. He is right here, right now. He begs us to ask Him for help. He pleads with us to allow Him to aid us. It may take time to peal off all the silliness and stupidity, the false certainties and insanity and prideful “knowledge” that has shackled us for our entire lives but it can be done.


30 posted on 10/01/2008 10:46:57 AM PDT by scory
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To: ravingnutter

LOL Thanks for that. I never cease to be amazed!


31 posted on 10/01/2008 11:19:46 AM PDT by republicanequestrian
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To: WayneS
If it really was genetic, then by their own “theory of evolution”, homosexuality would have been bred OUT of the human race 10,000 years ago, or so.

You have no understanding of genetics. I guess Tay-Saches, Down Syndrome and other things wouldn't exist either.

Science has not concluded on a cause of sexual orientation. There could be a genetic component, or not. It could be related to hormone exposure in the womb. It could be nurture. Or it could be some other combination of factors entirely. Whatever the cause, orientation seems to be an innate characteristic. Behavior can be controlled but that isn't the same as altering orientation.

I'd think folks like you would want them involved only with each other anyway to prevent possibly tainting your gene pool. You can't have those nasty gay undesirables mating after all, right?

Clearly homosexuals get here like ever else (until the late 20th century petri dish conceptions) -- heterosexual behavior.

32 posted on 10/01/2008 12:08:09 PM PDT by newzjunkey (YES: CA Prop 4 - Family notification for underage abortions. McCain/Palin.)
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To: republicanequestrian
Bush pulled in 20-25% of self-identified homosexuals in 2000 and 2004 according to exit polling.

There's also the "Log Cabin Republicans" group who endorsed McCain/Palin.

33 posted on 10/01/2008 12:10:11 PM PDT by newzjunkey (YES: CA Prop 4 - Family notification for underage abortions. McCain/Palin.)
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To: JudgemAll

Other than you, who’s talking about pedophiles?


34 posted on 10/01/2008 12:11:56 PM PDT by newzjunkey (YES: CA Prop 4 - Family notification for underage abortions. McCain/Palin.)
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To: steve-b

Dang...we have lost the old crusty commie hags, the bull dykes and now the light in the loafer faggots......


35 posted on 10/01/2008 12:14:38 PM PDT by rrrod
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To: newzjunkey
Bush pulled in 20-25% of self-identified homosexuals in 2000 and 2004 according to exit polling.

2008 is different. We will lose half of that.

36 posted on 10/01/2008 12:19:09 PM PDT by E=MC2
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To: steve-b
Today, the National Stonewall Democrats issued the following statement in response by accusations from Governor Sarah Palin that sexual orientation is a choice

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Oh, no! It can't be!

37 posted on 10/01/2008 12:21:04 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: newzjunkey
"You have no understanding of genetics. I guess Tay-Saches, Down Syndrome and other things wouldn't exist either."

These people are NOT claiming homosexuality is a genetic DEFECT or mutation (such things will always occur BY ACCIDENT in a given species). They ARE claiming that homosexuality is a genetic TRAIT, as in "blue-eyes" versus "brown-eyes". Genetic traits CAN be bred into or out of a species; and a genetic trait that led one to NOT procreate would certainly be bred out of a species relatively early in its "evolution".

"I'd think folks like you would want them involved only with each other anyway to prevent possibly tainting your gene pool. You can't have those nasty gay undesirables mating after all, right?"

How could you POSSIBLY have drawn such a bigoted conclusion about me simply because I do not buy into the "homosexualtiy is genetic" argument? What's wrong with you?

"Clearly homosexuals get here like ever else (until the late 20th century petri dish conceptions) -- heterosexual behavior."

Thank you for making my argument for me. Homosexual behavior is a CHOICE.

38 posted on 10/01/2008 12:27:39 PM PDT by WayneS (Vote Obama bin Biden 2008 - "Because the world doesn't suck enough yet".)
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To: steve-b

So much for Andrew Sullivan coming back into the fold.


39 posted on 10/01/2008 12:31:33 PM PDT by JZelle
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To: WayneS

Explain how “recessive genes” work. Once you’ve convinced me that you have the basic background to understand grownup discussion of the topic, I’ll get back to you.


40 posted on 10/01/2008 12:37:32 PM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: scory

Well said.


41 posted on 10/01/2008 12:47:39 PM PDT by GoLightly
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42 posted on 10/01/2008 12:49:11 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: steve-b

My, aren’t YOU an arrogant one.

For a SINGLE gene, and for purposes of this post, we will define:

G = Dominant gene

g = Recessive gene

Assuming NO mutations (straight gene combinations between parents):

G-G combination causes dominent trait to be manifested.
G-g combination causes dominent trait to be manifested.
g-g cross is ONLY instance in which recessive trait is manifested.

Two G-G parents will ALWAYS produce G-G offspring (manifestation of dominent trait).

One G-G and one G-g parent STILL result in dominant gene manifestation in all off-spring, but one in four chance of G-g off-spring.

G-g an G-g parent result in 3/4 chance of dominant gene menifesting and 1/4 chance of recessive gene mainfestattion (g-g “cross”).

And so forth, unitl we get to the situation in which:

Two g-g parents will ALWAYS produce g-g offspring.

REAL genetics is much more complicated than the single gene example because more than one pair of genes is involved in defining many traits.

HOWEVER, since one of the characteristics of a homosexual is a greatly reduced tendency to reproduce, and because it is CLEARLY biologically detrimental to a species to NOT reproduce, it is PERFECTLY plausible to argue that the RECESSIVE trait of homosexuality, regardless of how many actual g-g recessive gene combinations would have to be “triggered” for it to manifest itself, WOULD be “bred out” of the species over a relatively short period. This would occur through a combination of the rarity of the occurence of the trait, and the tendenecy of those in whom the trait is manifested to NOT reproduce.

PS - I do not care whether you ever “get back” to me or not. You are arrogant and condescending and I have NO USE for people like you.


43 posted on 10/01/2008 1:06:46 PM PDT by WayneS (Vote Obama bin Biden 2008 - "Because the world doesn't suck enough yet".)
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To: newzjunkey

Other than you, who’s defending the language of pedophiles?

IT’S SEXUAL ORIENTATION, STUPID


44 posted on 10/01/2008 1:10:38 PM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: newzjunkey

20/25%
Where did you read that, got a link?


45 posted on 10/01/2008 1:27:07 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (Proud Father of 2 US Marines. Support our troops!)
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To: TaraP

YES!!!!!! So plain and simple it’s staggering!

These are the same folks who claim people have no choice about whether or not they have sex, and therefore abortions is a right.

Anyone who is that much a slave to sex, of any kind, has a problem!


46 posted on 10/01/2008 2:34:01 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: steve-b

“For Governor Palin to suggest that individuals randomly choose their sexual orientation based on nothing but a whim is wrong...”

Well if it is wrong, riddle me this all you democrats, if a homosexual is naturally gay, then does not their nature proclude them from procreating? If their natural state makes it impossible to procreate, then why are homosexuals fighting so hard to adopt? Why do lesbians artificially inseminate themselves to become parents? Which “nature” are homosexuals who wish to adopt or wish to give birth following? Are they following their natural desire to procreate and parent or are they chosing to deny their natural gay state?

If homosexuality is truly their natural state, then their nature would not give them the desire to procreate. If their natural state gives them a desire to procreate, then they are chosing to live a lifestyle that denies their nature.


47 posted on 10/02/2008 5:48:58 AM PDT by CSM ("Conservobabes are hot. Libitches are not." - stolen from rightinthemiddle)
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To: sportutegrl

You’re not exagerating.

That’s where the left wants to go.

Back to the days where boys are for pleasure and women for making babies.


48 posted on 10/02/2008 5:50:36 AM PDT by MrB (0bama supporters: What's the attraction? The Marxism or the Infanticide?)
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To: Unam Sanctam

The left twists ANYTHING that reminds them of their choice to sin into something evil on the part of the reminder.

No, maybe you don’t choose what you WANT TO DO.
But you DO choose what you DO.


49 posted on 10/02/2008 5:52:15 AM PDT by MrB (0bama supporters: What's the attraction? The Marxism or the Infanticide?)
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To: Sgt_Schultze
Darn. Sarah has lost the gay democrat vote.

LOL, that's gonna hurt. Next she's going to lose the abortion vote if she isn't careful.

50 posted on 10/02/2008 6:12:17 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Proverbs 24:21 My son, fear the LORD and the king; Do not associate with those given to CHANGE)
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