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Battleground Poll: Obama 49%, McCain 44%
Real Clear Politics ^ | 10/2/2008 | Battleground Poll

Posted on 10/02/2008 7:20:03 AM PDT by tatown

Obama 49%, McCain 44% (+3 points from yesterday).

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Battleground is now showing the same big shift to Obama that the other polls have been showing. McCain needs to find a way to stem the tide or I fear that this thing is going to get very ugly.
1 posted on 10/02/2008 7:20:04 AM PDT by tatown
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To: tatown
I sent this email to the McCain camp this morning:

In his acceptance speech at the Republican convention, McCain asked us to "fight with me." But now he has changed his tune, arguing that we should be "bipartisan" at a time when the Democrats are trying to destroy our party and put a radical leftist in the White House.

Barack Obama has given our side tons of ammunition: His woeful lack of experience, his ties to Alinsky, his friendship with anti-American terrorist William Ayers, his allegiance to the racist anti-semite Jeremiah Wright, his Senate record of voting for higher taxes every chance he got, and his opposition to reining in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. But instead of fighting to win this election, John McCain is calling on us, his supporters and donors, to be "bipartisan," to bend over, grab our ankles, and let the liberal Democrats have their way with us.

From where I sit, it looks like McCain has stopped fighting. So how can he ask us to fight with him? I will no longer support Republican candidates who refuse to fight for what we believe in. John McCain must decide for himself whether he is going to put Washington "bipartisan" elitism first, or his country first.

Unless McCain drops his attempts to cuddle up to Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, and the rest of the Democratic Party, and instead starts swinging, I will not vote for him on November 4.


2 posted on 10/02/2008 7:21:21 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (George Bush was eight more years of Bill Clinton.)
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To: tatown
McCain and the Republicans are melting down in parallel with the perception of the economy.

To be honest, I'm not all that sure he really wants to win. Get ready for President Obama (I'm getting sick already just thinking about it).

3 posted on 10/02/2008 7:23:18 AM PDT by jpl (Does anybody have seven hundred billion dollars I can borrow?)
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To: tatown

Hope they do not hamstring Sarah with McClames reach out baloney. If they do she will have to go back to Alaska to set up the seccession. Alaska may be the first state to drop out of Obama Nation. Only She can save us now.


4 posted on 10/02/2008 7:23:38 AM PDT by screaminsunshine
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To: tatown

he has two debates left and four weeks, if he refuses to play hard ball politics, against the Chicago, Alinsky taught Obama, the he is toast.


5 posted on 10/02/2008 7:24:07 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: tatown
I predict pain!

But all is not lost, no all is not lost, not yet anyway.

6 posted on 10/02/2008 7:24:17 AM PDT by jpf (go phillies!)
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To: jpl

McCain is more interested in being “bipartisan” than in winning an election. He wants the Democrats to like him more than he wants the White House.


7 posted on 10/02/2008 7:24:30 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (George Bush was eight more years of Bill Clinton.)
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To: tatown

Five point deficit in manipulated poll is not “getting ugly”. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Kerry takes lead in new opinion poll
Washington
October 8, 2004 - 5:29PM

Democrat John Kerry has taken a slight lead over US President George W Bush, according to a new opinion poll. The survey by the Associated Press found that Kerry had gained ground with women, boosting his overall popularity and cutting into the president’s advantage on national security.

The two candidates remain in a very close race ahead of a second debate tomorrow in St. Louis.

Among 944 likely voters, the Democratic ticket of Kerry and John Edwards led Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, 50 per cent to 46 per cent, in the poll conducted for the AP by Ipsos-Public Affairs.

The October 4-6 survey had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points. The race was tied at 47 per cent among the 1,273 registered voters in the poll, similar to others showing a tight race.


8 posted on 10/02/2008 7:24:43 AM PDT by Canedawg (If the law supposes that, said Mr. Bumble, the law is a ass, a idiot.)
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To: tatown

Forget polls-the election was just stolen in Ohio right in plain sight.


9 posted on 10/02/2008 7:24:59 AM PDT by MattinNJ (When we lost Reagan, we lost a King. We now have our Queen. All hail Queen Palin.)
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To: tatown
Hey, I came up with two new bumper stickers/slogans today:
If you’re not poor, change is coming. Obama!
and
Let’s put the O back in sOcialism. Obama!
What do you think?
10 posted on 10/02/2008 7:25:16 AM PDT by DadOfFive
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To: Thane_Banquo

I will vote for him. As a last gasp but am dropping the repub party. I am going to the Constitution party to work in the resistance. Ron Paul was the only Republican who could of won.


11 posted on 10/02/2008 7:26:06 AM PDT by screaminsunshine
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To: jpl

“Get ready for President Obama”

Super Mega, Face-turn-green, stomach pain, fall on the floor Barf Alert!!!!

The thought of Obamanation being President makes me cringe.

What is America thinking? Honestly...


12 posted on 10/02/2008 7:27:06 AM PDT by wk4bush2004
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To: tatown

Battleground recently changed its methodology. They said so. So Obama movement is just in line with the other polls because they’re now using the same methodology.


13 posted on 10/02/2008 7:27:11 AM PDT by Chet 99
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To: jpl

McCain has never been in this to win. He is not a conservative. He is barely a republican. He should have switched over when the dems asked him. The malaise will begin in full on Jan. 20, 2009. The long nightmare will begin. The fall into the grips of full socialism is upon us.

Reagan is spinning in his grave.


14 posted on 10/02/2008 7:27:11 AM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: MattinNJ

And not a peep from McCain on that either. These F’ing Republicans just assume people will wake up one day and see it their way.


15 posted on 10/02/2008 7:28:13 AM PDT by paul544 (3D-Joy OH Boy!!!)
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To: Canedawg

Thanks for that cheery note! I mean it.


16 posted on 10/02/2008 7:28:42 AM PDT by altura
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To: Thane_Banquo
Battleground is a FAIR poll.

Will this be enough for the "it is media bias only--McCain is doing fine" crowd to wake up?!

McCain IS blowing it by not fighting back.

Maybe if McCain imagined Barack were a REPUBLICAN, he might have a little more zest in his campaign.

I'm not giving up, but it looks like McCain is.

17 posted on 10/02/2008 7:30:31 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: jpl

He is starting to look like GHW Bush in 1992...not really giving a damn. :(


18 posted on 10/02/2008 7:31:04 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Canedawg

You are so correct about looking at history on these polls.

Once this bail out bill passes and the so called crisis is over the campaign will take a whole different approach.
He can’t be partisan today or he’ll be blamed for the defeat of the bailout bill. He can’t afford that.


19 posted on 10/02/2008 7:31:21 AM PDT by ConservativeGreek
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To: Thane_Banquo
at a time when the Democrats are trying to destroy our party country

There. Fixed it.

20 posted on 10/02/2008 7:32:17 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: DadOfFive
Folks, this race is still fluid. The best thing is to get this bailout thing off the front burner ASAP. Then McCain can get traction on Obama. To suggest that McCain does't want to win, though, is absolutely crazy. He has been running for POTUS for two years now. A guy just doesn't give up. He is just in an impossible situation.

BTW, it is important to realize that the VAST majority of folks aren't sitting around their computers every minute wringing their hands over every single frickin poll that comes out. They are living their lives, getting ready for football games, planning harvest, painting their house. Folks are busy, they do not follow daily tracking polls.

I predict that this election will be decided in the last week of the campaign as people think long and hard about the future.

21 posted on 10/02/2008 7:32:20 AM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: shankbear

McCain would rather lose an election than fight for true Conservative principles.....congratulations, he may have done just that!!


22 posted on 10/02/2008 7:33:22 AM PDT by Froggie
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To: SoFloFreeper

Agreed. The question is how do we win this for him in spite of himself? Do we need Rush and Hannity to start 527’s and run ads exposing who obama really is?


23 posted on 10/02/2008 7:33:33 AM PDT by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: tatown

The problem is that McCain is stuck on “Senator” when he should be being presidential and taking it to Barry.

He has been in the “mutual admiration society” of Washington and the Senate in particular for too damned long.

He had better nut up and start hammering away and realize the media is totally in the tank for Barry.


24 posted on 10/02/2008 7:33:36 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: jpl

Stop with the “he doesn’t want to win” nonsense.


25 posted on 10/02/2008 7:33:38 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: tatown

Lot’s of time left.

Obama is still a socialist.


26 posted on 10/02/2008 7:33:44 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: wk4bush2004
Well remember the faces and names of your Obama supporting neighbors and at the next block party when he\she is bitching about taxes, being laid off, not having the money for Jr's college your stock answer and clarion call....

Sux to be you, how you like Obama now...

I like that for a bumper sticker. Like in 1980 there were no Carter voters , everyone was hiding like Peter...."Carter, nah I didn't vote for that guy." But I do like Obama peaking now, I think McCain does have a rabbit up his sleeve.

27 posted on 10/02/2008 7:33:53 AM PDT by pburgh01
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To: Thane_Banquo

We need a fighter, and McCain wants to be a referee.


28 posted on 10/02/2008 7:33:56 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Somewhere in Illinois, a community is missing its organizer.)
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To: tatown

Alert - Battleground CHANGED IT FORMULA ON MONDAY TO HELP OUT OBAMA !
NO REASON GIVEN FOR THE MAJOR CHANGE FOR THE CHANGE .
THEY FELT LIKE IT JUST LIKE GALLUP AND RAS !
SO DON;T BOTHER FOLLOWING THERE TREND LINE ANYMORE

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/battleground_drops_party_weigh.php


29 posted on 10/02/2008 7:34:18 AM PDT by ncalburt
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To: tatown

Alert - Battleground CHANGED IT FORMULA ON MONDAY TO HELP OUT OBAMA !
NO REASON GIVEN FOR THE MAJOR CHANGE FOR THE CHANGE .
THEY FELT LIKE IT JUST LIKE GALLUP AND RAS !
SO DON;T BOTHER FOLLOWING THERE TREND LINE ANYMORE

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/battleground_drops_party_weigh.php


30 posted on 10/02/2008 7:34:18 AM PDT by ncalburt
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To: tatown

The Republican establishment thought the Media would be nice to McCain. That’s why they wanted him nominated.

The Media gave us John McCain so the Media could give the country Barack Obama.

Let’s hope he figures it out. He needs to start fighting and naming names.


31 posted on 10/02/2008 7:34:28 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Without the Mainstream Media, the Left is Nothing.)
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To: jpl

Things will get better. Kerry was ahead at this point going into the election. McCain needs to close the deal over these last few weeks. McCain is going up with ads hitting the Democrats and Obama on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. We are going to war. Don’t get sick. Fight, write a letter to the paper, talk to friends who are political. Put a sign in your yard and a sticker on your bumper. Canvas on the weekend. There is so much more we can do beyond just watching the polls.


32 posted on 10/02/2008 7:34:33 AM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
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To: tatown

Alert - Battleground CHANGED IT FORMULA ON MONDAY TO HELP OUT OBAMA !
NO REASON GIVEN FOR THE MAJOR CHANGE FOR THE CHANGE .
THEY FELT LIKE IT JUST LIKE GALLUP AND RAS !
SO DON;T BOTHER FOLLOWING THERE TREND LINE ANYMORE

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/battleground_drops_party_weigh.php


33 posted on 10/02/2008 7:34:37 AM PDT by ncalburt
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To: shankbear
Reagan would never write the defeatist flop that you just posted. Unlike you, he ALWAYS believed that the best days of this country were ahead of her. Even in the dark days of the 70s, he trusted the wisdom of the American people. You do not.

So, please do not invoke Pres. Reagan in your defeatist rantings.

34 posted on 10/02/2008 7:36:16 AM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: tatown

The unemployment, economy and bailout are mounting and persuading the ignorant that it’ll be worse under Obama is difficult vs. MSM chronic torture that the savior is here.


35 posted on 10/02/2008 7:36:43 AM PDT by jilliane
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To: pburgh01

I plan to make a mint on “Don’t blame me, I voted for Palin” bumper stickers.


36 posted on 10/02/2008 7:38:24 AM PDT by MarkeyD (Not In My Name! Palin turned me. McCain turned me off. McCain, get busy or I'm out.)
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To: Thane_Banquo

Good letter—good points.


37 posted on 10/02/2008 7:38:32 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: tatown
Bush was down by a comparable amount this time four years ago.

Now is not the time for grown men to spook the children and horses.

I still predict a McCain victory. And if the polls are within ten points the week before election day I predict an electoral landslide for McCain.

Despite the wailing and gnashing of teeth and third party protest voters there are STILL only two possibilities next January.

John McCain is sworn in as President.

Barrack Obama is sworn in as President.

I think the former is more likely and infinitely preferable, and so I will work towards that result.

38 posted on 10/02/2008 7:38:47 AM PDT by allmendream (Sa-RAH! Sa-RAH! Sa-RAH! RAH RAH RAH! McCain/Palin2008)
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas

Bump.

Do you know what polls were showing this time in 1996? Dole losing by 24 points. He lost by 8. Ford was down by as much as 30 points to Carter in 76 - lost by 2. Bush was trailing Gore by 5 to 6 points.

So being down 5 or 6 points is not the end of the campaign by any means.


39 posted on 10/02/2008 7:40:32 AM PDT by Chet 99
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To: jpl
To be honest, I'm not all that sure he really wants to win

I have had that same feeling but haven't voiced it. He loses, he goes back to being a Senator and when he feels like it, retires from the rat race. He wins and he faces many years of criticism (he's finally figured out that the press won't be pulling for him.)

Ever since the economic meltdown, I feel like he lost his fire.

I wasn't happy about a McCain candidacy anyway because I know I'd be infuriated if he made it to the White House and started playing footsie once again with the Dems.

But I will vote for him, nonetheless, because he's a better choice than Obama. I'm just not sure that should he win, I'll be anything less than frustrated with his term as President, I don't think it will "help" the conservative cause in any way.

40 posted on 10/02/2008 7:40:36 AM PDT by Dawn531
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To: shankbear
The GOP has a huge problem. It appears “some” quickly embrace exactly what the media wants them to embrace. If the media says defeat is at hand the base seems to hold it's head down and say.. Oh me oh my it's over. Did we honestly think the media was ever going to allow reports that McCain could outright win this thing? Absolutely not. They were shooting stones out their behinds the day Palin stepped into this and have been busy little bee's creating this defeat. In fact we knew the babble would get very loud about a McCain sure fire defeat. Do I trust these polls? Hell no! They don't make logical sense. They leave out so many variables. What bothers me the most is the voter that is going to stay home assuming defeat because they've bought this nonsense. I believe the votes are there but there has to be a continued motivation to get them to the polls and stop this Oh me Oh my routine and just laugh at what is being spread around like a real bad fart by a machine that is bought and paid for by the DNC.

Here's how predictable the “debate” will go this evening. Palin will be hammered with hardcore questioning. After the debate they will call it a draw. No matter how good she does. Then after the DNC has massed emailed their base to hit all internet polls to make it appear as if Biden has squarely won the debate the following day the MSM makes it move and it will not longer be called a draw but a clear win for Biden using the skewed polls to hammer that home. Does the GOP base wither and slide away by this manipulation?

41 posted on 10/02/2008 7:40:39 AM PDT by cosmic_me (Stop picking your nose. People are watching.)
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To: allmendream

Send in the 527s!


42 posted on 10/02/2008 7:41:26 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: tatown
I came on here to see how many doom-and-gloomers were around doing the "McCain is toast," "This election is lost," and "Get ready for President Obama" thing.

And yep, they're here. They sound somewhat reminiscent of Harry Reid with his "This war is lost." And, ooops...it wasn't. Remember?

Buck up, folks and stop giving up just because the road gets bumpy.

It ain't over until November 4.

43 posted on 10/02/2008 7:41:35 AM PDT by Allegra ( Go Sarah!)
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To: paul544
My number 1 problem with the GOP is that the held both houses of congress and the White House for 6 years and did nothing about voter I.D for federal elections. I am being "disenfranchised" as we speak. Hundreds of buses crammed with people from surrounding states are flocking to Ohio with people who say they live at the Y or a homeless shelter and are voting right now. mcCain will have to win Ohio by 7-8 percent to break even. It's over.

I know first hand how NJ union workers would take election day off, with full pay of course, vote in Joisey, and then get bussed to NY or Pa. Pa. and NY unions would reciprocate. the result is that those thhree states are no longer competitive.

The only way McCain wins Pa. is if Hillary commands Fast Eddie Rendell to suppress the vote fraud.

44 posted on 10/02/2008 7:44:29 AM PDT by MattinNJ (When we lost Reagan, we lost a King. We now have our Queen. All hail Queen Palin.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

Amen to that. I’m getting very tired of McCain and his Democrat pals saying that now is not the time to assign blame for the economic mess. Well, I want blame assigned and I suspect that the American people do as well! What Raines and Johnson did was far worse than what Lay, Ebbers, and Kozlowski did. They, along with Dodd, Schumer, Frank, and the Congressional Black Caucus need to be held to account.


45 posted on 10/02/2008 7:45:53 AM PDT by rashley (Rashley)
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To: Thane_Banquo
"Barack Obama has given our side tons of ammunition"

Right and all of it has been used over and over to no avail. All it has done is, that in spite of it, voters think Obama will be better for them than McCain. McCain has to figure out why before it is too late for him. The vision thing of Palin and Lieberman seem more like loads that lifts.

46 posted on 10/02/2008 7:48:04 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: tatown; All
I'm am taking a statistics class right now (let me be honest, I am fighting for my life trying to pass a statistics class right now), but here is something that is in the fine line in all these polls, they are skewed towards Obama. The polls that are out are heavy Democrat samples plus added points trying to predict the outcome of the effect of all the newly registered democrats. However, the polls do not take into account that a lot of those new Democrats are PUMAS who might deliver a good portion of the 18 million votes that went to Hillary to McCain or many of the left of center Democrats that would have never voted for Obama to begin with. They also don't take into account (because they don't know the statistical data) how many of those new registered Democrats wont vote.

Be prepared for massive voter fraud accusations from the left when McCain wins. Personally, I expect riots. 

47 posted on 10/02/2008 7:48:12 AM PDT by txroadkill (Sarah Palin-- Vote for her?!? Hell, I want to marry her!)
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To: tatown

My prayer.

Please God, make the rightwing folks shut up and stop bashing McCain and Sarah Palin.

The world needs someone who understands national security is also worldwide security.


48 posted on 10/02/2008 7:48:15 AM PDT by Carley (she's all out of caribou.............but does have a bracelet!!!!)
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To: screaminsunshine

If so, I’ll be there!!


49 posted on 10/02/2008 7:48:23 AM PDT by ScottinVA
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To: Chet 99

Check out newsbusters today on the new methodology in polling.

Stop whining about the polls, stop handwringing, and first and foremost stop bashing McCain.


50 posted on 10/02/2008 7:49:35 AM PDT by Carley (she's all out of caribou.............but does have a bracelet!!!!)
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