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(Biden Lies) Obamas Website: "Direct Presidential Diplomacy Without Preconditions"
Obamas Website ^ | 10/02/08 | Barack Obama

Posted on 10/02/2008 7:23:16 PM PDT by markedmannerf

"Obama supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions.


(Excerpt) Read more at origin.barackobama.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: biden; iran; obama
I think this is so important because both Biden and Obama both seem to tell a bald face lie! They continue to say that no one is talking about the president talking directly to Iran. When his own website says it! What a bald face lie!
1 posted on 10/02/2008 7:23:18 PM PDT by markedmannerf
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To: markedmannerf

a good JOHN MCCAIN AD!!!!!!!!!


2 posted on 10/02/2008 7:27:05 PM PDT by pollywog (I will lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help. My help comes from the Lord...Ps 121)
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To: pollywog

Your not kidding! I was about to jump through the screen when Biden tried to act like Palin was wrong about his and Obamas position on meeting with Iran.


3 posted on 10/02/2008 7:29:43 PM PDT by markedmannerf
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To: markedmannerf
I'll be waiting for the MSM to run their “fact-check” segment. /sarc
4 posted on 10/02/2008 7:34:16 PM PDT by tobyhill (Hey Politicians, you're at the mercy of the taxpayers this time!)
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To: markedmannerf

Good job. Get a screencap before they edit it or take it down.


5 posted on 10/02/2008 7:34:25 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: markedmannerf

I don’t know why nobody calls them on this. McCain didn’t either. They keep saying that Achmedinejad isn’t in charge, so Obama wouldn’t sit down with him.

Are they actually saying that Obama would sit with the mullahs???? How come nobody asks that question?


6 posted on 10/02/2008 7:40:14 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Palin 2008 (oh yeah, and McCain too))
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To: AFreeBird
From the transcript:
BIDEN: Can I clarify this? This is simply not true about Barack Obama. He did not say sit down with Ahmadinejad.
LIE!!
7 posted on 10/02/2008 7:40:52 PM PDT by markedmannerf
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To: markedmannerf

“both Biden and Obama both seem to tell a bald face lie”

It is so true. They lie directly with force, thinking that the more forceful they tell the lie, the less people will question.

Everyone heard Obama say, “I never supported directed meetings without preconditions.”

The lying creeps are not worthy of leadership of any organization.


8 posted on 10/02/2008 7:42:01 PM PDT by garjog (Used to be liberals were just people to disagree with. Now they are a threat to our existence.)
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To: garjog
Biden Lied on Clean Coal as well: Biden: "We're not supporting 'clean coal.' Guess what. China's building two every week. Two dirty coal plants. And it's polluting the United States. It's causing people to die. ... China is burning three hundred years of bad coal unless we figure out how to clean their coal up. Because it's going to ruin your lungs and there's nothing we can do about it. No coal plants here in America. Build them, if they're going to build them over there make 'em clean because they're killing you."
VIDEO
9 posted on 10/02/2008 7:52:50 PM PDT by markedmannerf
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To: markedmannerf

Video of Obama clearly stating explicitly that he would personally meet with the four named rogue dictators during his first year as president without preconditions.

It was during the democratics youtube debate hosted by that albino guy on CNN 360:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3Oj7Jn9rv4


10 posted on 10/02/2008 7:54:56 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Obama/Biden: the "O" stands for Zero Executive Experience & Zero Accomplishments)
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To: markedmannerf

At the very least, Biden said a half dozen lies. I have the page save too just in case it disappeared.


11 posted on 10/02/2008 8:01:25 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Notwithstanding

Think there’s any chance of this ever showing up in the MSM, or do you think they’ll spend the next few days harping on the fact that Palin got the name of the general in Afghanistan wrong.

I’ll guess number 2, since that’s what I heard in the post debate commentary on MSNBC.

I loved the fact that Palin made the remark about fact-checking. I think she knew exactly what Biden was trying to pull and she was daring the MSM to ignore it.

Out of the park, Gov. Palin. You hit it out of the park tonight! (I’m sure the general doesn’t give a hoot what you called him. He’s just happy that you support him along with the rest of our troops.)


12 posted on 10/02/2008 8:02:17 PM PDT by generally (Ask me about FReepers Folding@Home)
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To: markedmannerf
Biden Lied on Clean Coal as well: Biden: "We're not supporting 'clean coal.' Guess what. China's building two every week. Two dirty coal plants. And it's polluting the United States. It's causing people to die. ...

Quick...Name me ONE person who died due to dirty coal plants in China....

13 posted on 10/02/2008 8:02:19 PM PDT by FDNYRHEROES (Always bring a liberal to a gunfight)
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To: markedmannerf
Undeniably true.

And Obama speaks once about Russa and China being key to pressure Iran -- then effectively turns around and calls Russia virtually impossible to deal with.

14 posted on 10/02/2008 8:05:57 PM PDT by unspun (Tell the truth about Obama to all you know.)
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To: markedmannerf

Count-down to re-editing and pulling it off the website...10-9-8-7......


15 posted on 10/02/2008 8:08:58 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Notwithstanding
Another lie:
Biden Lie: "Iran not close to a Nuclear Weapon"

16 posted on 10/02/2008 8:09:38 PM PDT by markedmannerf
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To: markedmannerf
What a bald face lie!

I heard more than one lie tonight - you can always count on the "Biden/Lord Barack Obama, the Most Merciful" team to spew that stuff about 95% of America getting a tax cut. What utter hog wash.
17 posted on 10/02/2008 8:14:15 PM PDT by Cheerio
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To: markedmannerf

Sarah Palin did say at one point that he could say what he wanted one month out before the election, but after the debate people would be fact checking.

As you did with this post.


18 posted on 10/02/2008 8:17:41 PM PDT by daylilly
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To: daylilly

K Rove on H&C, 10 instances of Biden misstating facts...6 subject to debate.


19 posted on 10/02/2008 8:23:41 PM PDT by JrsyJack
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To: markedmannerf

thanks for posting...


20 posted on 10/02/2008 8:27:00 PM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: JrsyJack

Good to see old “Joe Gaffe Biden” is on the job.

Reset the Obama/Biden gaffe time and counter. LoL!


21 posted on 10/02/2008 8:30:17 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: markedmannerf

Fred Thompson was on Fox and mentioned at least 2 lies Joe told! One was about voting records so it shouldn’t be hard to prove!


22 posted on 10/02/2008 8:40:46 PM PDT by nclaurel (I think therefore I vote Republican.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Muslims all sit with mullahs.


23 posted on 10/02/2008 8:41:38 PM PDT by nclaurel (I think therefore I vote Republican.)
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To: nclaurel

Dick Morris, yeah I know, just ripped Colmes a new one on Fox.


24 posted on 10/02/2008 8:41:58 PM PDT by JrsyJack
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To: JrsyJack
Blog Reaction Roundups at Stop the ACLU
25 posted on 10/02/2008 8:45:06 PM PDT by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: markedmannerf
Remember...we can always use Sarah's line from now on:

"SAY IT AIN'T SO, JOE!"

I think that should be the new Palin theme!

26 posted on 10/02/2008 8:48:01 PM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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To: SERKIT

They already did change it. They changed the first sentence. I don’t know why. They left the incriminating part in tack.


27 posted on 10/02/2008 8:49:26 PM PDT by Revel
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To: CitizenM
Biden's 14 lies in the Debate!
28 posted on 10/02/2008 8:52:00 PM PDT by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: AFreeBird
Better than a copy. It's pretty disgusting having this junk on my server, so I can't guarantee how long it will be there. But if they change content on theirs, it will NOT change on mine. What you'll see at the above link is an exact copy as of about five minutes ago.
29 posted on 10/02/2008 8:58:00 PM PDT by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: hiredhand
Ooopsie.....Correction! Try THIS.
30 posted on 10/02/2008 8:59:37 PM PDT by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: AFreeBird

The correct url to the copy is in #30.


31 posted on 10/02/2008 9:00:45 PM PDT by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: markedmannerf

A while back I took a screen cap of that page in case they took it down.
When Biden was denying that I was yelling at the TV oh no he said it...its on your own dang website Joe.


32 posted on 10/02/2008 9:02:14 PM PDT by donnab (some people use change to promote their careers...others use their careers to promote change.)
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To: markedmannerf

Plugs is an IDIOT!


33 posted on 10/02/2008 9:23:59 PM PDT by Bush gal in LA
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To: markedmannerf
This is an old shot of the website.

I just checked.

It is still there. Downloaded the page and took a screen shot!!

Here is a fresh shot!



Sorry about the huge image, it was the only way to read the the thing and have the LOGO and their ugly mugs on the screen shot.
34 posted on 10/02/2008 10:26:14 PM PDT by Islander7 ("Common sense and common decency are uncommon virtues among America's left.")
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To: Islander7

Thanks for that image. I just added that to my NH Town’s forum.


35 posted on 10/03/2008 1:35:01 AM PDT by Does so (...against all enemies, DOMESTIC and foreign...)
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To: Islander7

Yeah, but note the different wording. In the original, it says he is “the only presidential candidate” As a result of his twisting of Kissingers words in the debate to they took it down immediately. It was changed by sunup the following day.


36 posted on 10/03/2008 3:53:57 AM PDT by digger48
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To: digger48
My bad...."only major candidate".
37 posted on 10/03/2008 3:55:10 AM PDT by digger48
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To: markedmannerf

http://townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/10/03/biden_tells_14_lies_during_vp_debate

Friday, October 03, 2008

Biden Tells 14 Lies During VP Debate

by Amanda Carpenter

Senator Joe Biden lied at least 14 times during the vice presidential debate according to those counting at John McCain’s presidential headquarters.

Tucker Bounds, a spokesman from GOP presidential candidate John McCain’s campaign said in a statement, “”Joe Biden graduated from his trademark verbal gaffe to outright lie in tonight’s debate.”

McCain’s blogger-in-chief Michael Goldfarb chronicled the 14 lies HERE.

On the foreign policy front, Biden challenged Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin when she said Barack Obama’s pledge to meet with any foreign leaders, including Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, without precondition “goes beyond naivete and goes beyond poor judgment.”

Biden lectured Palin, “That’s just simply not true about Barack Obama. He did not say he’d sit down with Ahmadinejad.” During the YouTube Democratic primary debate last July Obama was asked if he would meet the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba, and North Korea without “precondition” during his first year in office.

“I would,” he replied.

Biden appeared to attack Obama for making that very statement in August 2007. While Biden was challenging Obama for the Democratic nomination for president Biden said he would not support such a pledge. “Would I make a blanket commitment to meet unconditionally with the leaders of each of those countries within the first year I was elected president?” he said in an appearance at the National Press Club. “Absolutely positively no.”

Five of the lies Biden told were related to tax and energy votes. During the debate Biden adamantly claimed McCain voted the same way as Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama did on a vote to raise taxes on those making $42,000 a year. The legislative record shows McCain was not present in the Senate for either of those votes and is recorded as “not voting.”

The RNC also takes issue with Biden’s assessment Palin supports a “windfall profits tax” and Biden’s claim McCain voted against alternative energy 23 times. The independent Factcheck.org has previously stated when Obama and other Democrats made similar charges about the 23 votes “they’re overstating the case.”

The other lies detailed by Goldfarb were related to Biden’s characterization of McCain’s healthcare plan, stances on bank deregulation and the $700 billion financial bailout that recently passed the Senate.

http://www.johnmccain.com/McCainReport/Read.aspx?guid=343ba934-6417-4b65-ac9e-92348acb5e97

Posted at 10:59 PM on 10/2/2008 by Debate Facts

Joe Biden’s 14 Lies

1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people’s health insurance coverage — they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska — she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it’s not a windfall profits tax.

9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation — he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”

14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won’t pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.
McCain Warned About Economic Collapse Over Two Years Ago

Mortgage crisis created by Carter and Clinton Administrations
http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=3428

October 2, 2008 – In 2003, President Bush warned Congress about the risky activities of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and proposed putting both entities under the Treasury Department for oversight. Bush cited a July 2003 report by outside investigators that Freddie Mac had manipulated its account procedures to fool investors.

http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=3428


38 posted on 10/03/2008 9:38:38 AM PDT by victim soul
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To: markedmannerf

In his own words...

He’s asking for your change because that’s all you’ll have left after he taxes you into the poorhouse.


39 posted on 10/03/2008 10:01:57 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: markedmannerf

What’s worse is he wants american companies to build the technology and develop it and GIVE it to China.


40 posted on 10/03/2008 10:12:19 AM PDT by rexgrossmansonlyfan (I got it bad. I live in the state Obama was elected to the Senate from IN HILLARYS HOMETOWN!)
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To: victim soul
Biden said that he was the architect of the intervention (invasion) in Bosnia to save people from “genocide”, thought it would be a short little war and we’re still there, and vigorously supported the Iraq invasion before he didn’t support it.

He also supported splitting up Iraq which caused one of the few, truly unified responses by all the Iraqi factions to condemn the plan as the worst possible action they could take - totally unacceptable.

41 posted on 10/03/2008 10:37:59 AM PDT by uncommonsense
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