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Biden VP Debate Gaffe - His Opposition to Robert Bork (1987) made Roe v Wade(1973) possible?
2008 VP Biden-Palin debate transcript (NYT) ^ | 10/2/08 | Me

Posted on 10/02/2008 8:14:23 PM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Senator Biden said the following during the 10/2/08 VP Debate:

And it didn't take me long -- it was hard to change, but it didn't take me long, but it took about five years for me to realize that the ideology of that judge makes a big difference. That's why I led the fight against Judge Bork. Had he been on the court, I suspect there would be a lot of changes that I don't like and the American people wouldn't like, including everything from Roe v. Wade to issues relating to civil rights and civil liberties.


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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008debates; biden; bork; gaffe; lie
Odd. Robert Bork’s nomination by President Reagan occurred in 1987. Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973.

Wrong again Joe. Maybe being shot at in Iraq gave Joe Biden post-traumatic stress syndrome which is affecting his memory?
1 posted on 10/02/2008 8:14:23 PM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

It Isn’t So Joe!


2 posted on 10/02/2008 8:15:33 PM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh (I cling to guns and religion.)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

I guess it is possible he was referring to a later ruling where Roe was upheld only by a 5-4 vote...although his wording is rather awkward.


3 posted on 10/02/2008 8:16:48 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

I think he meant that he thought Bork would have helped overturn Roe v. Wade... that’s how I took his remark when I heard it.


4 posted on 10/02/2008 8:17:19 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Maybe he meant that Bork would rule in favor of overturning RvW should an abortion case make it to the SCOTUS?


5 posted on 10/02/2008 8:17:22 PM PDT by oldvike
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

To be fair. I think there’s enough to nail Biden on but this isn’t it.

Maybe it’s not the most eloquent of statements but the implication, and I’m fairly certain he meant Bork would have helped to overturn Roe v. Wade.


6 posted on 10/02/2008 8:17:47 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (LET'S HAVE A BONFIRE WITH THE VANITIES!!!)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

7 posted on 10/02/2008 8:18:09 PM PDT by Zombie Lincoln ("Defeat it!" - John McCain)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Hey, I’d rather listen to nails on a chalkboard or even Hillary Clinton’s voice rather than Biden, but I’m pretty sure he meant that Bork would have favored overturning Roe v. Wade. That would be true, since Roe v. Wade is extra-Constitutional and Bork is a strict constructionist.


8 posted on 10/02/2008 8:18:31 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

To be fair, I believe he was talking about the risk of overturning Roe v wade. It was the way I interpreted his remark at the time.


9 posted on 10/02/2008 8:18:54 PM PDT by RobRoy (This is comical)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

I gather what Joe was saying is that if Bork was on the court that Roe vs Wade would be overruled. That being said I’ve always said that America is a lesser nation without Bork on the supreme court. I think Palin could have pounced on Biden and pointed out that the Borking of Bork was the beginning of the nastiness of the curent political atmosphere.


10 posted on 10/02/2008 8:19:13 PM PDT by fkabuckeyesrule (Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Reaching me thinks. Every election cycle the topic of Roe vs Wade comes up. He (Biden) could have been, and more than likely was talking about the possibility of a challenge to Roe vs Wade, and that Bork would have been on the side of the challenger(s). It’s a scare tactic the Left assumes for their irresponsible constituency.


11 posted on 10/02/2008 8:19:44 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, Call 'em what you will, they ALL have Fairies livin' in their Trees.)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule

True. Bork’s seat eventually went to Kennedy, who supported the plurality decision in Planned Parenthood v Casey which upheld roe v wade. But that’s not what he said really, he is trying to claim credit for “Roe v Wade” and also “civil rights” - yikes. Kennedy did not overrule Roe v Wade purely on philosophy of upholding precedent, as opposed to a question of whether it was right to begin with. And frankly I can’t think of any cases on civil rights where Kennedy would have differed from Bork.


12 posted on 10/02/2008 8:24:21 PM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh (I cling to guns and religion.)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Rove stated that, while the media may not go after it, there are 10 specific instances that Biden is wrong on factually! Plus about 6 other instances that arguable.


13 posted on 10/02/2008 8:26:17 PM PDT by shoedog
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To: rockinqsranch

You are all missing the main point.

He said that a judge should not be a strict interpreter of the law, but should have ideals. Of course those are not his exact words, since I can’t remember them exactly; I paraphrase.

What I was hoping she would say in reply: “ I can’t think of any thing that would scare me worse than going up before a judge that has preconceived notions. I want to go before a judge that will strictly interpret and go by the law.”

Just imagine. If every judge had his own idea about how the law reads, you would go into court victim to the whims of the judge as he got out of bed that morning. You would pray that he did not get out on the wrong side.


14 posted on 10/02/2008 8:27:59 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

No, I thought it was clear he meant that with Robert Bork on the SCOTUS it would have become more likely that Roe v. Wade could have been overturned or at least significantly restricted in scope.

Where he opened himself up by mentioning his “change” in understanding of how judicial nominees are confirmed is that he and Ted Kennedy and fellow Demagogues totally TRASHED all traditions of comity and deceny and respect in the nomination process. I wish Sarah Barracuda had taken the opening to discuss how Biden savaged the nomination process and wrecked the traditional respect for a President’s prerogative to appoint qualified persons. The Demagogues no longer think that a Republican’s nominees are worthy of the most elementary respect, though of course if Breyer & Ginsburg had been trashed anything like the way that Bork and Thomas were trashed then the Demagogues would have declared Civil War II.


15 posted on 10/02/2008 8:35:24 PM PDT by Enchante (America: can you seriously believe that Obama & Biden know how to "run our economy"?)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

I wouldn’t call that a gaffe...I knew what he meant.


16 posted on 10/02/2008 8:37:20 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (By Obama's own reckoning, isn't Lyndon LaRouche more qualified? He's run since the 70's)
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To: Republican Wildcat
I guess it is possible he was referring to a later ruling where Roe was upheld only by a 5-4 vote...although his wording is rather awkward.

Maybe the guys down at Home Depot can straighten him out on it tomorrow?

17 posted on 10/02/2008 8:40:20 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Biden sure spews the BS at a rapid rate.


18 posted on 10/02/2008 8:53:42 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

He obviously meant he’s prevented Roe v. Wade from being overturned — and he has, which makes him a lousy interpreter of the costitution and a moral monster.


19 posted on 10/02/2008 8:59:29 PM PDT by Atticus
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To: Psycho_Bunny
I wouldn't call that a gaffe...

Well, he got his history all screwed up, as another FReeper pointed out on this thread. Bork was "Borked" in 1987, so that had absolutely no effect on Roe v. Wade, which was decided in 1973. Actually, Biden was prabably foolish to bring up the issue of approving or disapproving judges on the basis of ideology - without being prompted by the moderator - because that's hardly a 'Rat strong point.

Incidentally, one other gaffe: referring to the vice presidency, Biden said it's covered in Article I of the Constitution, which makes it an executive office. Actually, Article II covers the executive branch, although Article I, which deals with the legislative branch, references the VP in terms of presiding over the Senate and casting the tie-breaking vote there when necessary. (Of course, he got in a gratuitous lick at Dick Cheney, saying that he was "dangerous" in his alleged expanded view of the powers of the vice presidency.)

20 posted on 10/02/2008 9:00:42 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: shoedog
...there are 10 specific instances that Biden was wrong on factually!

I recall when Palin called him out on one of them, regarding the statement allegedly made by the commanding US officer in Afghanistan today to the effect that a surge wouldn't work there.

21 posted on 10/02/2008 9:04:45 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
a gratuitous lick at Dick Cheney

Haha. I spit catcus cooler out my nose when I read that. I hereby nominate this phrase for the Top 100 Quotes from FreeRepublic hall of fame.
22 posted on 10/02/2008 9:13:25 PM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh (I cling to guns and religion.)
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To: Enchante

You hit the nail on the head when you said Biden “opened himself up” when he mentioned ideology as an important consideration for the Senate in deciding whether to confirm or reject judicial nominees. In fact, one can consider it a gaffe of sorts that he even chose to bring up that subject without any prompting from Ifill. I don’t think it plays very well with voters as a whole, and it reminds people that judicial nominees are at stake in this election, an issue that on balance probably works in favor of the GOP.


23 posted on 10/02/2008 9:13:50 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Cementjungle

I agree I think he meant Bork would overturn it, but that is the same thing they said about every conservative judge appointed. That is the battlecry to scare those who don’t want to be “burdened with a baby”.


24 posted on 10/02/2008 9:21:23 PM PDT by nclaurel (I think therefore I vote Republican.)
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To: nclaurel
I agree I think he meant Bork would overturn it, but that is the same thing they said about every conservative judge appointed. That is the battlecry to scare those who don’t want to be “burdened with a baby”.

My liberal mother-in-law was on the phone a few minutes ago with her usual "Palin's going to ban abortions", "she has a funny accent", "she would be a heartbeat away from the presidency". The MSM has burned all these into the minds of their followers.

25 posted on 10/02/2008 9:26:36 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Cementjungle

Palin “has a funny accent”? I don’t think that she has any particular regional accent at all. Well, maybe that’s because I don’t know any Alaskans.


26 posted on 10/02/2008 9:35:31 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
Palin “has a funny accent”? I don’t think that she has any particular regional accent at all. Well, maybe that’s because I don’t know any Alaskans.

My MIL subscribes to the NYT and the LAT, only watches CNN and hangs with very liberal people (many of which are household names). She and her friends are the least tolerent people on the planet when it comes to people who don't think exactly like them (or sound "funny").

27 posted on 10/02/2008 10:07:30 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Cementjungle

They all sound like the robots repeating the same line. Of course you can’t say it too her but it would have been to say “you aren’t pregnant are you if you are we will adopt it”


28 posted on 10/02/2008 10:29:45 PM PDT by nclaurel (I think therefore I vote Republican.)
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To: nclaurel
Of course you can’t say it too her but it would have been to say “you aren’t pregnant are you if you are we will adopt it”

She's 92, so getting pregnant would indeed be interesting!

29 posted on 10/02/2008 10:36:29 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: justiceseeker93
Don't embarrass us all: he wasn't talking about the actual Roe v. Ruling - the time - but rather, subsequent rulings that affect it.

I think the guy's a git but even I know that.

30 posted on 10/02/2008 11:14:54 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (By Obama's own reckoning, isn't Lyndon LaRouche more qualified? He's run since the 70's)
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To: Cementjungle

You must have more than your share of MIL problems. (LOL!)


31 posted on 10/03/2008 4:51:52 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Cementjungle

My dad would have been 98 and just never got that the Democrat Party had changed and just wasn’t the party of the people as it had been in his youth! Gets harder to change as you get older.


32 posted on 10/03/2008 5:12:19 AM PDT by nclaurel (I think therefore I vote Republican.)
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To: justiceseeker93
You must have more than your share of MIL problems. (LOL!)

Oddly, she likes me a lot (but hates most men). She has a love/hate think going on with my wife (her daughter) though, and that's always rough. I do have to bite my tongue though sitting through dinners with her pals like Huffington, Allred, and various other uber-liberals.

33 posted on 10/03/2008 12:03:42 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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