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Shares Of The Hartford Plunge 32% (Reid's loose lips do its work)
Hartford ^ | DIANE LEVICK

Posted on 10/03/2008 1:29:24 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Shares Of The Hartford Plunge 32%

Waning Confidence Also Affects MetLife, Prudential

By DIANE LEVICK

October 3, 2008

It was a blood bath Thursday for shares of The Hartford, while MetLife Inc. and Prudential also plummeted on fears that the tumult in financial markets could push some insurers over the edge.

Some of the investor panic Thursday followed a comment Wednesday from Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., that a well-known but unnamed insurer was on the brink of bankruptcy.

A spokesman for Reid, the Senate majority leader, issued a statement Thursday backtracking on the comment, and The Hartford, Prudential and MetLife said they're not near bankruptcy.

But shares of The Hartford Financial Services Group plunged 32 percent Thursday anyway, closing down $12.20 at $25.91. The company has lost 54 percent of its value this week so far.

MetLife Inc., which has major operations in Bloomfield, fell $7.19, or 15 percent, Thursday to close at $40.96 a share. And Prudential Financial Inc., which bases its retirement business in Hartford, dropped $7.15, or 11 percent, to finish at $57.65 a share.

(Excerpt) Read more at courant.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; hartford; insurance; looselips; reid
He should be investigated for possible insider trading. Who knows? Harry may have had his associates shorting stocks of major insurance companies before opening his mouth.
1 posted on 10/03/2008 1:29:25 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; Uncle Ike; RSmithOpt; jiggyboy; 2banana; Travis McGee; OwenKellogg; 31R1O; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 10/03/2008 1:29:58 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

He, like President opened their mouths to get the House to vote yes on the Bailout.


3 posted on 10/03/2008 1:32:05 AM PDT by BGHater (Democracy is the road to socialism.)
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To: BGHater
I know, but at least in case of Bush, his remarks were general. Harry was different.

Is he up for re-election?

4 posted on 10/03/2008 1:33:57 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Dunno, but credit isn’t frozen. Scare tactics work well on sheep.


5 posted on 10/03/2008 1:39:25 AM PDT by BGHater (Democracy is the road to socialism.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Being an irresponsible blabbermouth is part of the liberal playbook. Don’t forget that Chuck Schumer’s shooting his mouth off caused a run on Indymac bank and contributed to its collapse. They don’t give a damn about anything if they can score a political point.


6 posted on 10/03/2008 1:42:55 AM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: BGHater
Apparently, he scared more than sheeple. Chucky off'ed IndyMac, Now Harry off'ed Hartford and a few more.

If bailout bill won't pass again in the House, maybe Obama steps out and shoot down a major bank.:-)

7 posted on 10/03/2008 1:47:57 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

How the HELL do you retract a statement like that? It was stated in a matter of fact manner. The only way out is to say “I freaking lied k?”

These two guys are unreal.

Bin Laden said before he wants to bankrupt the US....Osama could sit around and play Xbox all day and let these MORONS take down the economy for him.


8 posted on 10/03/2008 2:05:19 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
As a point of fact, insurance companies don't go "bankrupt"; they go into receivership if they fail. By standard accounting rules almost all insurance companies are already bankrupt since their potential liabilities already outweigh their assets.

Harry is not only malevolent and funny looking, he's stupid.

9 posted on 10/03/2008 2:38:10 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

How many runs on financial institutions is Harry allowed to start? ‘Sounds like another commercial on the dems responsibility in this time of economic turmoil.


10 posted on 10/03/2008 2:45:19 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: freeangel
As many as he wants until he gets through all his political agendas.
11 posted on 10/03/2008 2:51:45 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; RaceBannon

Totally irresponsible!


12 posted on 10/03/2008 2:51:55 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

Bin Laden couldn’t kill the US from the outside, but Obama bin Biden will finish the job from the inside.


13 posted on 10/03/2008 3:10:18 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (Welcome PUMAs!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Somedays its good to be a privately held firm, isn’t it Mr. State Farm? :D


14 posted on 10/03/2008 3:11:34 AM PDT by neb52
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To: neb52
Do you know how much flak privately-held firms had for a last decade or so? Wall St. types were hissing everyday for this because they could not dip into this big pile of money.
15 posted on 10/03/2008 3:14:56 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: Rebelbase
I can see that its name is Harry.:-)
17 posted on 10/03/2008 3:19:07 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Chucky off'ed IndyMac, Now Harry off'ed Hartford and a few more.

Makes sense. They gave aid and comfort to US enemies in time of war to win elections. Why wouldn't they destroy the US economy for the same reason?
18 posted on 10/03/2008 3:20:50 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

LOL, I can imagine. State Farm’s $104 Billion in Assets are probably mouth watering to those short term money shredding jackals.


19 posted on 10/03/2008 3:22:52 AM PDT by neb52
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To: TigerLikesRooster

You may not know this, but Senators are immune from charges of insider trading by virtue of their position.


20 posted on 10/03/2008 3:34:36 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Freedom4US
I don't think Senatorial Immunity runs that far. They are protected in their speech while on the floor of the Senate as are the Representatives in the House.

The DemocRATS are coloring outside the lines with the Shumer/Reid crap fest though.

21 posted on 10/03/2008 3:40:16 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Nah, that's The Hartford stag.


22 posted on 10/03/2008 3:44:18 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

23 posted on 10/03/2008 3:44:50 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I gotta ask. Where’s the transparency if investors are hearing about the state of their investments from some senator? That’s more damaging than anything, the fact a Senator is spreading rumors. The dems want this sucker to tank hard. They want a crash. They want an event that says, you know, we need to try this socialism thing. Right wing skeptics are helping them.


24 posted on 10/03/2008 3:56:55 AM PDT by kinghorse (Is market intervention a moral hazard if it stops people who arent forced sellers from selling out?)
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To: BGHater

How do you know? Have you tried to qualify for a car loan in the last month?


25 posted on 10/03/2008 3:58:24 AM PDT by kinghorse (Is market intervention a moral hazard if it stops people who arent forced sellers from selling out?)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

So what do these institutions typically invest in that they lost that much value?


26 posted on 10/03/2008 3:59:13 AM PDT by doodad
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To: doodad

They had to much money laying around, so many of the insurance companies opened up banks and investment arms. I assume that they were lending to the shaky real estate brokers and their investments value is welting. The publicly traded companies more than likely got taken over by the get rich quick crowd that deviated from the typical stale business practices of these usually rock steady firms.


27 posted on 10/03/2008 4:13:36 AM PDT by neb52
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To: neb52
"Somedays its good to be a privately held firm, isn’t it Mr. State Farm? :D"

Oh yeahhhhhh.

Before going to Iraq I needed a bank that I could access from wherever I came back to the States at. I figured since just about every town has a State Farm Agent I'd have a banking representative no matter where I relocated to. I also wanted a fiscally conservative bank which wasn't heavily involved in the mortgage or securities casino. I went with State Farm Bank for these reason and because their financials were excellent compared to existing commercial banks.

I wrote State Farm last week about their exposure to mortgage and financial market loses and asked who underwrote their banking operations. They replied their bank was a wholly-owned subsidiary of their automotive insurance company. I.e., cash positive, with checks coming in every month. Phew.

28 posted on 10/03/2008 4:16:43 AM PDT by Justa (The media lied while Americans died.)
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To: Justa
A rarity in this day and age.
29 posted on 10/03/2008 4:25:11 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

This is great news to a lot of us Floridians who have difficulty in getting homeowner insurance from companies who have pulled out of the Florida market.


30 posted on 10/03/2008 4:30:09 AM PDT by yorkie01
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Are you gloating?

State Farm did all it could to further sink the policy holders in New Orleans and other cities in the aftermath of Katrina.

They have no reputation left.


31 posted on 10/03/2008 4:36:10 AM PDT by Carley (she's all out of caribou.............but does have a bracelet!!!!)
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To: yorkie01

Have you heard of or looked at Universal Insurance? They moved into the Florida market when the others pulled out.

http://www.uihna.com/en-US/Default.aspx


32 posted on 10/03/2008 4:38:53 AM PDT by neb52
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Loose Lips Schumer and Reid have a lot of explaining to do.

My home insurance is with The Hartford. Darn!


33 posted on 10/03/2008 4:45:23 AM PDT by Chgogal (Voting "Present" 130 times might be a sign of a smart politician. It is not a sign of a good leader.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

When Harry reid said what he said, I first thought he might have been refering to the Hartford as I have a friend who is pretty high up in that organization. Looks like the damage has been done.


34 posted on 10/03/2008 4:49:05 AM PDT by FDNYRHEROES (Always bring a liberal to a gunfight)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Good time to pick up some cheap stocks


35 posted on 10/03/2008 4:52:27 AM PDT by beagleone
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To: Carley
Well, I was focusing on Wall St. sharks. I did not know what State Farm did in New Orleans area.
36 posted on 10/03/2008 5:20:04 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: FDNYRHEROES
Drop of 32% in a single day is nothing to shrug about. It is an outrageous thing to do if he was making it up.
37 posted on 10/03/2008 5:21:22 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: Rebelbase

I believe that is an elk. A Roosevelt Elk, to boot!


38 posted on 10/03/2008 5:21:55 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Reid and Schumer are veritable wrecking balls of the financial and equity markets. What an idiot.


39 posted on 10/03/2008 5:27:04 AM PDT by Miles the Slasher
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To: Jimmy Valentine

No, it’s true. They can’t be sued either, of course.

Now they are prohibited from acting directly on that knowledge by buying or shorting stocks - but it’s no stretch to imagine they will have their wife or brother in law make the “appropriate” investment, wink wink.


40 posted on 10/03/2008 5:27:31 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: SatinDoll

Whatever it is Reid baited it into his sights.


41 posted on 10/03/2008 5:27:41 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Well, Dirty Harry has boys that are close to the action.. What about Slimey Schumer?

Anyone sending FOIA inquiries to Dirty Harry to backup his "insurance" words?

42 posted on 10/03/2008 5:37:55 AM PDT by pointsal
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To: Carley
State Farm did all it could to further sink the policy holders in New Orleans and other cities in the aftermath of Katrina.

Why would you say that? The only thing I saw post-Katrina was a bunch of people trying to use the court system to turn their ordinary homeowners' insurance policies into flood insurance policies. State Farm and others rightfully fought that.

When my parked vehicle got whacked last spring, the other driver's insurer (State Farm) was very quick to pay out, no questions asked.

43 posted on 10/03/2008 5:49:47 AM PDT by meyer (Go, Sarah, Go!!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Shareholders of the Hartford should form a class action and sue Mr. Reid.


44 posted on 10/03/2008 6:31:57 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW ,)
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To: kinghorse

Yes, I have. It took about 20 minutes. We talked with several other buyers. No financing problems for them either.

You might want to call your banker and ask what is going on in lending in your area.


45 posted on 10/03/2008 6:35:12 AM PDT by jch10
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To: TigerLikesRooster
It was a blood bath Thursday for shares of The Hartford, while MetLife Inc. and Prudential ...

If these guys put enough coins in the Congressional bucket, they can get "bailed out" too. Hey, it's ONLY money - right?

46 posted on 10/03/2008 7:19:58 AM PDT by GOPJ (It's NOT a rescue, it's a BAILOUT. Coming soon: Mutual&Hedge funds, credit card companies, States...)
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To: meyer

Wasn’t the whole controversy over whether the damage was wind/rain caused or flooding caused? I thought the official decision was that the destruction was by flooding, but State Farm and others were insisting it was wind/rain damage from the hurricane. (shrugs)


47 posted on 10/03/2008 7:40:19 AM PDT by neb52
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Is Reid “playing the market”?

For capital gains?

For political benefit?

For both?

He’s putting a lot of people’s money at risk.

If he’s doing it for personal profit...


48 posted on 10/03/2008 8:14:58 AM PDT by jeffers
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