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This raise any eyebrows with anyone else when he said this?
1 posted on 10/03/2008 7:45:47 AM PDT by Rhinoceros
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To: Rhinoceros

Yes, I heard that and it’s scary as hell.


2 posted on 10/03/2008 7:46:41 AM PDT by saganite (Obama is a political STD)
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Absolute idiocy.

Maybe I’ll call my mortgage bank right now and demand they lower my principal. Or I’ll take ‘em to court.


3 posted on 10/03/2008 7:46:47 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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Socialism....


4 posted on 10/03/2008 7:47:12 AM PDT by wk4bush2004
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These two loons (Obamaloon and Bidenloon) cannot possibly be this stupid, are they?


5 posted on 10/03/2008 7:48:00 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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Incredible.

More catering to the lowest common denominator of society.

Dare I say race-based. Yes, as a matter of fact, I do.


6 posted on 10/03/2008 7:48:10 AM PDT by EyeGuy (Obama will deliver America on a Leash to an envious world.)
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I heard that, turned to my wife and said, "WHAT?!"

Does that mean someone could go before a court and say, "I owe $200,000 on this property. Could you make it $50,000? I'd be a lot more comfortable with that."

Un-fricken-believable.
7 posted on 10/03/2008 7:48:19 AM PDT by Antoninus (If you're bashing McCain/Palin at this point, you're working for Obama.)
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These two loons (Obamaloon and Bidenloon) cannot possibly be this stupid, are they?


8 posted on 10/03/2008 7:48:23 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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Yes, it was one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard any politician say.


9 posted on 10/03/2008 7:48:41 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Palin 2008 (oh yeah, and McCain too))
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I'm going to go down to the bank and tell them Obama says they have to buy me a home...and I'll pay them what I want to pay them and I'll have the courts behind me. Oh, btw, that means the rest of the country gets to pay for my house, so thanks!
11 posted on 10/03/2008 7:49:01 AM PDT by highlander_UW (In addition to being able to field dress a moose, Gov. Palin can field dress a donkey too!)
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This raise any eyebrows with anyone else when he said this?

But don't you know this will raise "confidence". /Sarc.

12 posted on 10/03/2008 7:49:07 AM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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Ummm...the heading should be principal...not principle


13 posted on 10/03/2008 7:49:59 AM PDT by LivingNet
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Yes. My wife in I joked that we want our principle balance adjusted to zero and we would then not care at all what our interest rate is.


16 posted on 10/03/2008 7:50:48 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper (Let's Roll!!)
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This is how they will essentially get their “reparations.”


17 posted on 10/03/2008 7:50:56 AM PDT by Beelzebubba (Guns don't kill people, criminals and the governments that create them do.)
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This raise any eyebrows with anyone else when he said this?

Not a bad idea if you don't think about it too deeply....
So much for binding contracts. This would open a very wide door for gaming the system.

19 posted on 10/03/2008 7:51:30 AM PDT by tbpiper (Obama/Biden: Instead of Ebony and Ivory, we have Arrogance and Insolence.)
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My wife and I literally looked at each other with gaping mouths. I was stunned.

What a nincompoop.


24 posted on 10/03/2008 7:53:11 AM PDT by RobRoy (This is comical)
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The DEMs who are voting against the bailout are seeking the "cramdown" authority to be vested in judges.

This isn't an odd position for a Democrat. It's vote "buying," pure and simple.

25 posted on 10/03/2008 7:53:19 AM PDT by Cboldt
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I did not know the legislative branch could impair contracts by fiat, just by decreeing that previously entered-into contracts could be denied enforcability.

Delay in payment or discharge in bankruptcy, yes. But to wholesale rewrite it? Hmmmmm.


26 posted on 10/03/2008 7:54:36 AM PDT by bitterdfwrepub
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This raise any eyebrows with anyone else when he said this?

Yes. Scared me. We are doing okay now, but if they call raise the principle we're in trouble. They cannot even do that. Stretch Biden is a jackal.

Isn't that what caused the worst aspects of the Great Depression, people losing homes because the banks were allowed to call in all the mortgages and people just weren't prepared to pay?

This is the equivalent. The FEDS will own us all, well them and China.

27 posted on 10/03/2008 7:55:12 AM PDT by madison10
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Well hell, boys--just reset mine to ZERO and you've got my vote!!! /sarc

And yet there are deluded morons who actually believe this crap.
28 posted on 10/03/2008 7:55:15 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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Needs to be put in a campaign ad.


31 posted on 10/03/2008 7:55:58 AM PDT by tx_eggman ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule" - Mencken)
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I thought I had heard this but tjought it could not be.
I am sure that Joe has no idea of the difference between interest rate and principle.

So the court could say that you bought your house for $100K but now you only have to pay $25k. You paid $300K but you are rich so now you have to pay $450K...Right?


33 posted on 10/03/2008 7:56:46 AM PDT by Holicheese (Get up Tom Brady, get up! PLEASE!!)
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This was one of the scariest things I've heard from Obama/Biden. Lets use our tax dollars to fund, bailout and reward those who choose to live beyond their means.
The lack of regard for personal responsibility is disgusting.
34 posted on 10/03/2008 7:57:14 AM PDT by 07Jack
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lol, I thought I heard it wrong last night, and I had to rewind it to make sure. They are truly off their rocker to think they have the authority to lower the principle on someone’s mortgage. Just pandering to the low income and people who are about to go into foreclosure!


35 posted on 10/03/2008 7:58:20 AM PDT by claymax (Vote for a HERO...........not for the ZERO!)
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It will only serve to raise the cost of borrowing for the poor. Like most Marxist policies, the result is the opposite of the intent.


36 posted on 10/03/2008 7:58:23 AM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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Ok, I'm a bank and I'm gonna loan you money knowing if you don't pay or can't pay it back, some court somewhere can tell me you owe me less than what you borrowed. Riiiiight.

THAT'S JUST NUTS!!!

37 posted on 10/03/2008 7:58:23 AM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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This raise any eyebrows with anyone else when he said this?

No, but Dr. Pepper came out of my nose.
38 posted on 10/03/2008 7:58:51 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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Interest being a future income to the bank would not be such a crisis, but if the bank loaned $200,000 and courts said no make that $125,000 who eats the $75,000. Are they planning another bailout??


40 posted on 10/03/2008 8:01:08 AM PDT by nclaurel (I think therefore I vote Republican.)
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Thanks for bringing this up. I think I yelled “what?!!!” 7 or8 times at the TV last night.


41 posted on 10/03/2008 8:01:11 AM PDT by PrincessB ("I am an expert on my own opinion." - Dave Ramsey)
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I couldn’t believe I was hearing that. Who the hell would ever lend money the day after that one became law??


43 posted on 10/03/2008 8:02:56 AM PDT by varmintman
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Yes - I heard that.

I asked hubby “how the heck do you just change the principal on a loan?”

hubby shrugged his shoulders.


45 posted on 10/03/2008 8:03:57 AM PDT by Scotswife
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A useful change, assuming that your goal is to change America into a Third-World kleptocracy.


46 posted on 10/03/2008 8:04:15 AM PDT by Interesting Times (Swiftboating, you say? Check out ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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There are so many financial schemes that the Democrats can’t wait to enact that along with the massive new taxes that an Obama presidency would bring ..all of this will doom the US economy if Obama is elected.


53 posted on 10/03/2008 8:06:48 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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“Well Gwen, two years ago Barack Obama warned about the sub prime mortgage crisis” - Biden

Can anyone confirm this???


54 posted on 10/03/2008 8:07:28 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (`Pontius Pilate voted "Present")
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I was yelling at the TV when he said that. Palin could have literally destroyed him and the messiah on that point, but she let it pass.

She should have replied “you know Joe, the idea you just proposed is the just about worst idea I have ever heard. 94% of Americans are current in their mortgages, and the for the 6% that are not, I would propose gov’t incentives to the banks to ‘workout’ the mortgages that can be saved. Unfortunately, not all of them can be. It should be between the mortgage holder and the borrower to decide, not the courts. If you allow a judge to reduce both the interest rate and principal on the mortgage, what does that say to the 94% of the people who have not bought more house they can afford, who have not used their house as an ATM, who have not bought a house to speculate and flip, and who have made sacrifices to stay current in their mortgages. “What you are proposing is socialism, not capitalism, and if we were to embark on a plan like yours, what bank would ever make new mortgages? To make a new mortgage with the knowledge that a judge can invalidate the terms at his whim, and without any recourse reduce both the interest rate and principal, would be crazy.” If you were to do this, you would create a huge incentive for more people to simply stop making mortgage payments and hope they can petition the court for better terms.”


57 posted on 10/03/2008 8:08:10 AM PDT by milwguy (........)
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Republicans have no basis for arguing against this or ANY socialist takeover after caving on the ‘bailout’ . Capitialism is dead. Free Markets are dead. Conservative arguments are dead. Republicans are dead, the party of NOTHING. Here’s what Bush and McCain GAVE the democrats:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=henMX35nkJg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXqMAnv2Ans&eurl=http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGxBtg


62 posted on 10/03/2008 8:10:21 AM PDT by sickoflibs (What's Next ?? the feds buy up GM stock to save the economy??)
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This was the most frightening exchange in the whole debate!

I honestly thought that I was reading democratic underground when he said that. I really thought I misunderstood. Guess not.

63 posted on 10/03/2008 8:10:46 AM PDT by codercpc
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I heard the same thing and almost fell out of my chair. To me the real scary part is resetting the mortgage principle goes both ways. If the courts can lower them, what makes them think they can't increase them ..... based upon ability to pay? How else does the bank brake even on the loans? How else can the government brake even on the tax revenue they bring in on home ownership?
67 posted on 10/03/2008 8:12:11 AM PDT by copperready
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Yes. I heard it, and then my mouth hung open for at least two minutes until the NEXT O’Biden gaffe!

This would be DISASTROUS to real estate nationwide!! In fact, this one thing could possibly drop the economy into a complete depression! He is espousing the wholesale devaluing of real estate, at a time where real estate is already devalued. You want to see job loss, and a free-falling dollar?

My question is: did he pull that one out of his arse, or is this something that he has actually given a few minutes of thought too?

Frickin’ dimwit who has absolutely NO CLUE as to how a free-market economy works after 30 years in the Senate!


70 posted on 10/03/2008 8:13:47 AM PDT by RocketMan1
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When is McCain going to start using all this ammo?


71 posted on 10/03/2008 8:14:07 AM PDT by maggief
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It thought it was a gaffe, but he repeated it twice! Here's the direct quote from the transcript:

Number two, with regard to bankruptcy now, Gwen, what we should be doing now -- and Barack Obama and I support it -- we should be allowing bankruptcy courts to be able to re-adjust not just the interest rate you're paying on your mortgage to be able to stay in your home, but be able to adjust the principal that you owe, the principal that you owe.

That would keep people in their homes, actually help banks by keeping it from going under. But John McCain, as I understand it -- I'm not sure of this, but I believe John McCain and the governor don't support that.

Transcript is here.

72 posted on 10/03/2008 8:14:15 AM PDT by Jen (McCain-Palin ~ Maverick-Barracuda ~)
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I was raising hell about this a few days ago when I heard it mentioned on TV as part of the bailout amendments that the Dems wanted. Absolutely insane.


74 posted on 10/03/2008 8:16:49 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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It more than raised my eyebrows - it scared me!! This should be out in the public (ad) NOW!!!


76 posted on 10/03/2008 8:17:44 AM PDT by GOPRaleigh (That's above my pay grade = true leadership <sarcasm>)
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I heard it and couldn’t believe it was not picked up on....what about my mortgage??? will brainless biden reset the principal of my mortgage at better terms considering I pay on time????


79 posted on 10/03/2008 8:18:42 AM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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Go to your bank...refinance to stretch you payments out. One of the problems I see is giving 30 years mortgages to people who are 50 and those damn “equity loans”...which is usually what triggers the bankruptcy....besides peoples’ maxed out credit cards.


89 posted on 10/03/2008 8:32:25 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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The Constitution states (Art. I, Sec. 10) that no state shall pass any law impairing the obligation of contracts.

I guess they think it's OK for Congress or the courts to do so, just not a state government.

91 posted on 10/03/2008 8:33:39 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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My poor wife had to listen to me freak out when he said that.

What the hell universe are we in when these jackasses think they can simply usurp anyone’s property at will.

I have some very serious worries about where we are, nevermind where we are headed.


95 posted on 10/03/2008 8:49:06 AM PDT by xmission (WHERE THE HELL IS JOHN GALT?)
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I heard him say that and my jaw DROPPED. Courts ... adjusting the PRINCIPLE amount!!! I was so mad. What a FASCIST PIG! (There’s a lipstick joke in there somewhere.)


99 posted on 10/03/2008 9:11:53 AM PDT by so_real ("The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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we should be allowing bankruptcy courts to be able to re-adjust not just the interest rate you’re paying on your mortgage to be able to stay in your home, but be able to adjust the principal that you owe, the principal that you owe.”
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This doesn’t go far enough. This shouldn’t just involve bankruptcy mortgage proceedings but all mortgages. To achieve fairness the courts should set interest rates and reduce principal for all mortgages. There should be no reason that one person owes more on his house than another. This affects the poor and minorities the most and is discriminatory. /s


100 posted on 10/03/2008 9:14:57 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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Apparently they introduced this outrageous plan on the stump last week. I could not believe it. Take what ObamaBiden says as TRUTH, I believe they are more honest than the average politician. take what they say as the truth of what they want to do. LISTEN TO THEM! If you want the government to control: What you Own What you Owe What you Make and What you Say Then, by all means,vote those Marxist Bastards into control!
101 posted on 10/03/2008 9:20:59 AM PDT by Toymaker (The Obama People's Party Liberation Express (TOPPLE) HQ: http://www.cafepress.com/Khaotik_Ink)
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Hi guys I hate to say this, but this *was* in the House bailout bill last week (Section 110, Assistance to Homeowners). It may still be in the (much larger) Senate bill - I haven’t had a chance to go over it all yet. Read it and weep:

” (1) IN GENERAL. To the extent that the Federal property manager holds, owns, or controls mortgages, mortgage backed securities, and other assets secured by residential real estate, including multifamily housing, the Federal property manager shall implement a plan that seeks to maximize assistance for homeowners and use its authority to encourage the servicers of the underlying mortgages, and considering net present value to the taxpayer, to take advantage of the HOPE for Homeowners Program under section 257 of the National Housing Act or other available programs to minimize foreclosures.
(2) MODIFICATIONS. In the case of a residential mortgage loan, modifications made under paragraph (1) may include —
(A) reduction in interest rates;
(B) reduction of loan principal; and
(C) other similar modifications.”

Right there, plain for all to see. If it’s still in the Senate bill, then they have passed it, the House will pass it, the President will sign it, and it will be LAW.

By the way, it gets better. Do you know who the “Federal Property Manager” mentioned in Paragraph 1 is? HINT: their names are Freddie and Fannie (Section 110 A 1 ).


104 posted on 10/03/2008 10:34:18 AM PDT by daltec
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