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US State Department Subpoena Denial in Obama Eligibility Suit
Jeff Schreiber @ 'America's Right' ^ | 9-3-08 | bonnieblue4me

Posted on 10/03/2008 8:51:01 AM PDT by bonnieblue4me

Update on latest information from Berg v. Obama regarding eligibility for POTUS.


TOPICS: Announcements; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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Obama is hiding behind HIPPA and the Privacy Act in order to scam the electorate!
1 posted on 10/03/2008 8:51:02 AM PDT by bonnieblue4me
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To: bonnieblue4me; getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL; LucyT; Kevmo; Fred Nerks; bvw; null and void; ...

ping


2 posted on 10/03/2008 8:53:57 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: bonnieblue4me

Where are the GOP national ads on this??? Lack of gonads.


3 posted on 10/03/2008 8:54:42 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: David

thoughts?


4 posted on 10/03/2008 8:56:32 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia

Remember when someone accessed Barak Obama’s passport records and we found out later that the company that did so was owned by a major Obama supporter....

The the whole story just fell off the radar screen....

I wonder if all of a sudden certain records cannot be found or appear to be tampered with....


5 posted on 10/03/2008 9:02:53 AM PDT by usmcobra (Obama : Pandora's box in arabic, filled with all evil that men can do and void of hope)
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To: usmcobra

>>>I wonder if all of a sudden certain records cannot be found or appear to be tampered with....

Oh, I’m positive that is the case.

But I am not getting the impression that HIPAA has anything to do with proof of citizenship. I’m reading about HIPAA now and I only see reference to protection of health insurance coverage.


6 posted on 10/03/2008 9:06:19 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: bonnieblue4me

I guarantee you that the original birth certificate lists Barack Hussein as being an illegitimate muslim.


7 posted on 10/03/2008 9:06:47 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: usmcobra

What I don’t understand is, if Obama has nothing to hide, produce the damn records already! Give permission, sign away! It’s scary to think he has a lawyer, Jeffrey Sandler who is part of CAIR. It fits though.


8 posted on 10/03/2008 9:08:25 AM PDT by austinaero
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To: FormerACLUmember
I don't think my birth certificate listed anything about religion on it, and it's only a few years newer than Obama's alleged one. Did Hawaii birth certificates from back then list religion?
9 posted on 10/03/2008 9:21:11 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (The $700B bail out is giving parachutes to bankers while we must keep our seat belts on and shut up.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Its the work of a 527 and not McCain or RNC


10 posted on 10/03/2008 9:37:11 AM PDT by ncfool ("Obama been lying. "Get it? Sounds Like "Osama bin Laden"?)
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To: bonnieblue4me
Wasn't it really difficult to fly in 1961 from Hawaii to Nairobi? I mean, you'd have to go Honolulu - LA / SF. Then to NY. And these were in older jets, there was no 747 yet. Then from NY you'd go to London, stopping in Newfoundland or Reykjavik for fuel. Then from London, probably have to fly to Cairo. Then to Nairobi. All while you were pregnant?

And going the other way would have been no picnic either. Honolulu to what, Hong Kong or Singapore, then on to somewhere else then Cairo then Nairobi?

11 posted on 10/03/2008 10:12:15 AM PDT by Koblenz (The Dem Platform, condensed: 1. Tax and Spend. 2. Cut and Run. 3. Man on Man)
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To: bonnieblue4me

One of Obama’s lawyers is involved with CAIR, too.


12 posted on 10/03/2008 10:30:30 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.")
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To: Koblenz
Wasn't it really difficult to fly in 1961 from Hawaii to Nairobi?

Actually, it was not that difficult. The First nonstop transpacific flight began in Sabishiro Beach, Japan, and flew 4,860 mi to Wenatchee, Wash., in about 41 hours back in OCtober 1935.

In 1961, Pan American had direct flights from SF to Tokyo; American Airlines had direct flights from LA to Hong Kong, and Quantas had direct flights from Sydney to LA.

Even today, though, you can't get a flight directly from either coast to Kenya.

13 posted on 10/03/2008 12:53:12 PM PDT by Polarik ("The Greater Evil")
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To: bonnieblue4me

State Department basically doing the CYA routine and covering their butts.


14 posted on 10/03/2008 4:15:44 PM PDT by Kevmo (McCain's learning from Palin how to win a national election. Palin's learning from him how to lose 1)
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To: bonnieblue4me
Obama is hiding behind HIPPA and the Privacy Act in order to scam the electorate!

Seems to me if he's hiding behind anything, it's Berg's incompetence. Did you actually read what was said in the letter?

The procedure by which a party seeking official information from a non-party federal agency is to request the information under the agency’s “Touhy” regulations. See United States ex rel. Touhy v. Ragen 340 U.S. 462 (1951) … Your requests do not comply with those requirements.

In addition to serving the Executive Office of the Office of the Legal Adviser, as required under 22 C.F.R. 172.2, the requests also must be set forth in writing, and with as much specificity as possible, the nature and relevance of the official information sought. 22 C.F.R. 172.5(a).

The letter only said there may be Privacy Act issues. They were unable to determine that because Berg's request didn't meet with federal regulations and lacked specificity.

15 posted on 10/03/2008 7:13:57 PM PDT by Peerless
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To: Kevmo
State Department basically doing the CYA routine and covering their butts.

They're just abiding by the laws, rules and regulations that they operate under.

And isn't that ultimately what Berg is supposedly asking Obama to do? Abide by the laws? If so, then how can the State Department be criticized for doing what Berg is expecting of Obama?

16 posted on 10/03/2008 7:13:59 PM PDT by Peerless
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To: Emperor Palpatine
One of Obama’s lawyers is involved with CAIR, too.

Sandler is the DNC's lawyer. Not Obama's.

In case no one has noticed, Berg's suit was filed against Obama, the DNC and the FEC. Not just Obama.

Sandler has been the DNC's General Counsel since before Berg ever filed his lawsuit, so it would stand to reason that he would represent the DNC in any lawsuits filed against them.

17 posted on 10/03/2008 7:13:59 PM PDT by Peerless
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To: FormerACLUmember

Obama’s given name at birth was Barry. He, himself, decided to start going by the name Barack later. I know he was born while his mother was in Kenya which means he is NOT an American citizen. It’s possible that he may be illegitimate too.


18 posted on 10/03/2008 8:01:18 PM PDT by BIOCHEMKY (I love liberty more than I hate war.)
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To: Peerless

how can the State Department be criticized for doing what Berg is expecting of Obama?

***Because if the tables were turned, they’d have sent McCain’s pertinent information without haste.


19 posted on 10/03/2008 8:11:45 PM PDT by Kevmo (McCain's learning from Palin how to win a national election. Palin's learning from him how to lose 1)
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To: Kevmo

make that WITH haste. Without delay...


20 posted on 10/03/2008 8:12:12 PM PDT by Kevmo (McCain's learning from Palin how to win a national election. Palin's learning from him how to lose 1)
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To: Peerless

Welcome to FreeRepublic.


21 posted on 10/03/2008 8:14:42 PM PDT by airborne (Don't pray that God is on your side. Instead, pray that you are on God's side!)
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To: BIOCHEMKY
I know he was born while his mother was in Kenya which means he is NOT an American citizen.

But the AP photo of the school record from Jakarta clearly says he was born in Honolulu.

22 posted on 10/03/2008 8:39:31 PM PDT by Peerless
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To: Kevmo
Because if the tables were turned, they’d have sent McCain’s pertinent information without haste.

What proof do you have of this?

23 posted on 10/03/2008 8:39:33 PM PDT by Peerless
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To: airborne
Welcome to FreeRepublic

T'anks! :)

24 posted on 10/03/2008 8:39:33 PM PDT by Peerless
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To: Peerless

What proof do you have of this?
***Plenty. Google through Free Republic on the topic of state department for starters. Welcome to Free Republic.


25 posted on 10/03/2008 8:41:43 PM PDT by Kevmo (McCain's learning from Palin how to win a national election. Palin's learning from him how to lose 1)
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To: Peerless

But the AP photo of the school record from Jakarta clearly says he was born in Honolulu.
***Then it would be very simple for Obama to produce this birth certificate that he claimed in his autobiography that he “held in his hands”. The Berg vs. Obama suit would just fly away, that easily. Instead, he’s using legal shenanigans and delay tactics. Why is that? What proof do YOU offer?


26 posted on 10/03/2008 8:43:26 PM PDT by Kevmo (McCain's learning from Palin how to win a national election. Palin's learning from him how to lose 1)
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To: Peerless
But the AP photo of the school record from Jakarta clearly says he was born in Honolulu.

An AP photo of a copy of a document is not evidence that would hold up in court.

This is the same type of scenario that ended Dan Rather's career. Just because the main stream media says it's true, does not make it true.

In fact, it makes us even more dubious.

27 posted on 10/03/2008 8:47:36 PM PDT by airborne (Don't pray that God is on your side. Instead, pray that you are on God's side!)
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To: BIOCHEMKY

Possible that he is illegitimate? Well, his father was already married to someone in Africa when Barry was born. That would make his father a bigamist and Barry illegitimate.


28 posted on 10/03/2008 8:47:54 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Peerless

Did you know that B. Hussein Obama is not only a Chicago street thug and a Muslim, he’s also a crack-smoking homosexual?


29 posted on 10/03/2008 8:49:12 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: ladyjane

You’re right. I don’t particularly care whether he was illegitimate or not, it’s not his fault after all; but they just have to admit it—his father was already married and thus could not be legally wed to Stanley Ann.


30 posted on 10/03/2008 8:56:48 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Election 2008--It's all about the judges!!)
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To: airborne
An AP photo of a copy of a document is not evidence that would hold up in court.

And yet Berg uses it as evidence in his suit. He mentions it not only in his original filing, he restates it and offers it up as Exhibit 4 in his response to Obama's and the DNC's motion to dismiss.

In fact, it's perhaps the most concrete piece of evidence Berg has presented. So if it wouldn't stand up in a court of law, then what chance is there for Berg's case?

31 posted on 10/03/2008 9:17:01 PM PDT by Peerless
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To: Kevmo
Then it would be very simple for Obama to produce this birth certificate that he claimed in his autobiography that he “held in his hands”. The Berg vs. Obama suit would just fly away, that easily.

No, it wouldn't fly away that easily. Please read Berg's suit. He argues that Obama is an Indonesian citizen by way of his stepfather, Soetoro.

That means it doesn't matter whether or not he was born in Hawaii.

That also means that even if he were to simply produce the birth certificate he claims to have in his autobiography, Berg v. Obama would not just fly away that easily. Because that birth certificate has nothing to do with Berg's claim that Obama is an Indonesian citizen.

Again, read Berg's suit.

32 posted on 10/03/2008 9:20:24 PM PDT by Peerless
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To: Peerless

Berg has stated publically that if Obama produces the birth certificate, he’ll drop the suit.

Here you go, loud mouthed newbie. Here’s where you can start to come up to speed on Obama’s birth certificate controversy.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/certifigate/index?tab=articles


33 posted on 10/03/2008 9:24:16 PM PDT by Kevmo (McCain's learning from Palin how to win a national election. Palin's learning from him how to lose 1)
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To: Peerless

It is evidence that 0bama has produced an unacceptable form of identification, and has not produced the origiunal, which is required by law.

Unless the required original, authentic document is produced by 0bama, how can the court rule in favor of 0bama?

You and I are required as much. 0bama must be held to the same standards.


34 posted on 10/03/2008 9:24:34 PM PDT by airborne (Don't pray that God is on your side. Instead, pray that you are on God's side!)
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To: Lancey Howard
Did you know that B. Hussein Obama is not only a Chicago street thug and a Muslim, he’s also a crack-smoking homosexual?

No. But what has any of that to do with Berg's lawsuit?

Berg's lawsuit is about Obama's being able to hold the office of President as per Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States.

35 posted on 10/03/2008 9:29:06 PM PDT by Peerless
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To: Peerless; Jim Robinson
How is it that a capable liberal lawyer like you got assigned by the 0bama campaign to FreeRepublic?

Did you draw the short straw?

36 posted on 10/03/2008 9:32:18 PM PDT by airborne (Don't pray that God is on your side. Instead, pray that you are on God's side!)
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To: Kevmo
Berg has stated publically that if Obama produces the birth certificate, he’ll drop the suit.

If that's what Berg has said, then he's effectively saying that he doesn't really care whether or not Obama is eligible to hold the office of President as per Article II.

Because as I said, Berg's suit claims that Obama isn't eligible under Article II because he has (or at the very least had) Indonesian citizenship by way of his stepfather. And that this Indonesian citizenship has no bearing on whether he was born in Hawaii or Kenya, making the issue of his birth certificate moot.

So how do you square Berg's claim that he would drop the suit if Obama simply produced a Hawaiin birth certificate with his claim that Obama is or was an Indonesian citizen which has nothing to do with his birth certificate?

37 posted on 10/03/2008 9:42:17 PM PDT by Peerless
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To: Peerless
So if it wouldn't stand up in a court of law, then what chance is there for Berg's case?

Uh, I think that's exactly Berg's point.

38 posted on 10/03/2008 9:52:15 PM PDT by ducdriver (Quantum potes tantum aude.)
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To: airborne
It is evidence that 0bama has produced an unacceptable form of identification, and has not produced the origiunal, which is required by law.

How is it evidence that Obama has produced an unacceptable form of identification?

Obama says he was born in Honolulu.

He produced what he claims is a certificate issued by the State of Hawaii showing that he was born in Honolulu.

The AP photo of the Jakarta school record shows that he was born in Honolulu.

So I fail to see how the AP photo is evidence that Obama produced an unacceptable form of identification. The information in the AP photo is consistent with Obama's claim that he was born in Honolulu.

39 posted on 10/03/2008 9:52:30 PM PDT by Peerless
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To: Peerless

I don’t have to square it, Berg does. And Obama could, all he’d need to do is produce the BC and make this go away.

So answer my question: Why doesn’t he? And what PROOF do you offer, newbie?


40 posted on 10/03/2008 9:56:37 PM PDT by Kevmo (McCain's learning from Palin how to win a national election. Palin's learning from him how to lose 1)
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To: airborne
How is it that a capable liberal lawyer like you got assigned by the 0bama campaign to FreeRepublic?

Simple. I'm not a liberal, I'm not a lawyer, and I wasn't assigned here by anyone.

Any other questions?

41 posted on 10/03/2008 9:56:37 PM PDT by Peerless
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To: LucyT; pissant; Polarik; SE Mom; Fred Nerks; bvw; null and void; Calpernia

hey guys... we have a Birth Certificate troll

Someone please invite the Viking Kitties, per Free Republic tradition.


42 posted on 10/03/2008 9:59:12 PM PDT by Kevmo (McCain's learning from Palin how to win a national election. Palin's learning from him how to lose 1)
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To: Peerless

You know that won’t hold up in court.

“0bama says he was born in Honolulu.”

“He produced what he claims is a certificate...”

I figured you for a better lawyer than that. Either that or 0bama isn’t paying you enough to do your job properly.


43 posted on 10/03/2008 9:59:56 PM PDT by airborne (Don't pray that God is on your side. Instead, pray that you are on God's side!)
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To: Kevmo
I don’t have to square it, Berg does And Obama could, all he’d need to do is produce the BC and make this go away.

Why would it go away?

Would you be satisfied if Obama simply produced his original Hawaiian birth certificate even if that meant that he may still not be eligible under Article II because of Indonesian citizenship?

I'm just trying to understand just what the actual issue here is.

Is the issue only his Hawaiian birth certificate? Or is the issue Article II of the Constitution?

44 posted on 10/03/2008 10:08:11 PM PDT by Peerless
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To: Peerless; Admin Moderator
Any other questions?

Sure.

You show up 2 days ago on a conservative forum, one that is well known for our stellar record of picking apart lame liberal lies, and you defend the most liberal socialist running for President in the history of America, and you think we wouldn't take notice? Why would I believe you?


45 posted on 10/03/2008 10:14:16 PM PDT by airborne (Don't pray that God is on your side. Instead, pray that you are on God's side!)
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To: Peerless

Is the issue only his Hawaiian birth certificate? Or is the issue Article II of the Constitution?
***The issue is whether he’s natural born, per the requirements for eligibility of the president in the constitution. If he’s natural born and an Indonesian citizen, it won’t matter much because I’m sure the courts and all the liberals in guvmint will just fall all over themselves to allow him a pass on whatever is needed.

So, basically if he produces a birth certificate to whomever asks, the same way McCain has done, the issue goes away for him. Guys like me will move on to some other aspect of this campaign and the only ones left will be real serious Berg/Truther/crackpots. It’s Simple to produce it if he has it. But he hasn’t done it. And it appears to be costing him, so if this was all some kind of trap, he should have sprung it by now.


46 posted on 10/03/2008 10:14:19 PM PDT by Kevmo (McCain's learning from Palin how to win a national election. Palin's learning from him how to lose 1)
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To: airborne
You know that won’t hold up in court.

I didn't say anything about it holding up in court in my previous reply.

I was trying to make sense of what you said.

What you said was that it was evidence that Obama produced an unacceptable form of identification.

I asked you how was it evidence that Obama produced an unacceptable form of identification when the information in the AP photo was consistent with with the identification Obama produced.

So let me try again.

How is it evidence that Obama produced an unacceptable form of identification? What information in that photo is evidence that Obama produced an unacceptable form of identification?

47 posted on 10/03/2008 10:21:03 PM PDT by Peerless
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To: Peerless
BIOCHEMKY ~ Because if the tables were turned, they’d have sent McCain’s pertinent information without haste.

Peerless ~ What proof do you have of this?


48 posted on 10/03/2008 10:26:31 PM PDT by null and void (Good advice is something a man gives when he is too old to set a bad example.-F. de La Rochefoucauld)
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To: airborne
You show up 2 days ago on a conservative forum, one that is well known for our stellar record of picking apart lame liberal lies, and you defend the most liberal socialist running for President in the history of America, and you think we wouldn't take notice?

First, I'm not defending anyone.

Second, why would one only be interested in picking apart lies that may be committed only by those of a certain political stripe? I'm libertarian. So should I only care about lies committed by others and not other libertarians?

If so, then I'm sorry, that's not how I was raised. I was raised to not have any prejudice as to where the truth may lay. And I'd like to think that's how conservatives were raised as well.

Because if we're only prepared to accept that the truth may only lay one way and never the other, then we simply end up lying to ourselves.

Why would I believe you?

That's not for me to say. All I can do is express my opinions and what I believe to be the facts and leave others to decide for themselves whether to take them or leave them.

49 posted on 10/03/2008 10:44:35 PM PDT by Peerless
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To: Kevmo
The issue is whether he’s natural born, per the requirements for eligibility of the president in the constitution.

Ok. But all Article II says is "natural born." There seems to be some argument as to exactly what qualifies one to be "natural born."

If he’s natural born and an Indonesian citizen, it won’t matter much...

But according to Berg's lawsuit, that matters a great deal. Berg argues that if he is or ever was an Indonesian citizen, or even a Kenyan citizen by virtue of his father's citizenship, that disqualifies him as being "natural born," and that his being born in Hawaii is irrelevant.

But if that doesn't matter to you, then why does it matter whether he was born in Hawaii or not?

I'm just trying to make sense of what you're trying to say.

50 posted on 10/03/2008 11:03:08 PM PDT by Peerless
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