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IBD Editorial: Truthless Joe
Investor's Business Daily ^ | October 3, 2008 | The Editors

Posted on 10/03/2008 8:07:22 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Election '08: It's hard choosing the worst in last Thursday's vice presidential debate: Sen. Joe Biden's continual untruths, his certitude in delivering them, or the free pass he got all night long.

In "The Prince of Darkness," his memoir_of 50 years as a reporter in Washington, Robert Novak points out that while Jimmy Carter successfully ran for president by acting as "the anti-Washington, anti-government, anti-lawyer candidate telling audiences, 'I'll never lie to you' and setting post-Watergate standards of honesty," behind the smile Carter was actually "a habitual liar who modified the truth to suit his purposes."

But neither Carter nor Bill Clinton, whose twists and turns before a grand jury led to his impeachment, ever stared into the camera and spouted such a string of outright fabrications as if they were gospel truths the way Barack Obama's running mate did last week.

Thankfully, the blogosphere has been having a field day cataloguing Joe's whoppers. First, as InstaPundit's Michael Totten instantly noted after the debate, Biden—the great, seasoned foreign policy expert who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee—falsely claimed France and the U.S. "kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon."

Of course, the debate's moderator, Gwen Ifill of PBS' "Washington Week," didn't call Biden on the gaffe; that might not be good for sales of her upcoming book, "The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama" (especially if there turns out not to be an Age of Obama).

There was also Biden's accusation that John McCain is soft on regulation, when in fact he tried to beef up regulations on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac—an explanation for why he got so little campaign money from Fannie and Freddie over the years—under $22,000—as opposed to the more than $126,000 Obama received in his short time in the Senate.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: biden; bo; debate; democrat; democrats; election; elections; ifill; littlejoe; mccain; obama; palin; vpdebate
Exactly! 20 years ago, he would have got off scot free on all this, but now there's the Internet.
1 posted on 10/03/2008 8:07:22 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

IBD is probably the best newspaper in the country with excellent editorials. Mostly business stuff but A1.


2 posted on 10/03/2008 8:10:04 PM PDT by Frantzie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

IBD has well surpassed the WSJ in my eyes.


3 posted on 10/03/2008 8:11:06 PM PDT by Terpfen (To all you knee-jerkers: remember Rick Santorum.)
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To: Frantzie

I agree. Best Newspaper and best cartoonist (hey, you have to set your priorities. Michael Ramirez is great though)...


4 posted on 10/03/2008 8:14:39 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
National Review's Jim Geraghty noted Biden's claim that "we spend more money in three weeks on combat in Iraq than we spent on the entirety of the last seven years that we have been in Afghanistan building that country" and concluded Biden was "off by 2,000%."

The return of fuzzy math?

5 posted on 10/03/2008 8:16:44 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("Capitalism still works. The free marketplace and competition still work." -Gov. Sarah Palin)
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To: Terpfen
I liked old Honest Joe's line about the rope line.

I can't remember the exact words, but in response to criticism that he had said no coal fired plants in the US, he said something like “That was just something I said on a rope line”.

Hey, guys. That is exactly what Governor Palin meant when she said she says the same thing no matter where she is.

An Honorable person is just as accurate whether he is looking into a TV camera with millions watching or whether he is talking to one person on a rope line.

6 posted on 10/03/2008 8:20:37 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

UPDATED ON FRIDAY: OK, here’s the deal, last night Biden did mention Katie’s restaurant and Union Street.

But I checked The News Journal archives this morning and, well, don’t plan on trying to find it on Union Street anytime soon. And I wonder if the Katie’s today, which is now actually Wings to Go at Katies, is the same Katie’s that Joe remembers.....

Katie’s was at the corner of Sixth and Scott streets in Wilmington’s Little Italy neighborhood. (Not Union Street.) It had been a local and much-loved institution, well known for its rich, thick Italian gravy (tomato sauce) and spaghetti. It was opened in 1936 by Silvio Spiezio, who later sold it in 1945. The Fugilino family owned and ran the restaurant for years until it was sold in the 1981 after Frances Mae Fugilino’s death.

Katie’s then changed hands again in 1985, but new owners kept the venerable name.

But it eventually changed hands again - at least 10 years ago, maybe even more like 15 years ago (SEE UPDATE BELOW) - and was renamed C.J. Bart’s, which according to features reporter Ryan Cormier in a May 2008 News Journal story became “ a spot with an unsavory reputation as a magnet for panhandlers and worse.”

Cormier reported that Nate Johnson, owner of the Wilmington and Dewey Beach Wings to Go restaurants, recently took over CJ Bart’s and renamed it Wings to Go at Katies “as an homage to its former residents.
(Photo above was taken in May 2008 by News Journal photographer William Bretzger of the crowd hanging at the new “Wings to Go at Katies.”)

“The first thing we did is clear out the riffraff. If you come in my restaurant, you’re not going to be bothered by people asking you for change or to buy them a beer,” Johnson told The News Journal “You’re protected in there. It is nothing like C.J. Barts. That place is dead and gone forever.”
***NEW UPDATE: Ryan Cormier just spoke to Johnson and he said that Katie’s closed in the 1980s.
Here’s a link to Ryan’s blog with photos he shot this morning of a faded Katie’s sign.

Not only is Wings to Go at Katies a franchise of the local chicken-wings favorite, but there’s a full bar, video games and a spot for bands to play.”

“We’ve always been looking for a spot to do wings and beer, since they go so naturally together,” said Johnson.

According to Cormier, “the sounds of jamming rock bands now fill the air surrounding the bar Wednesday through Saturday nights. Sometimes, blues bands make an appearance as well.”

Maybe Biden did mean to mention the Kozy Korner, which is on Union Street? Or perhaps, he should have given a shout-out to Mrs. Robino’s or Walter’s Steakhouse, two Union Street restaurant institutions?


7 posted on 10/03/2008 8:25:07 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (`Pontius Pilate voted "Present")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Truthless Joe

Great moniker!

8 posted on 10/03/2008 8:29:10 PM PDT by syriacus (At the intersection of Congress and Fannie Mae .... you will find the DEMron Scandal.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why isn’t the MSM reporting this? Or did they today? I was away from home most of the day.


9 posted on 10/03/2008 8:34:00 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Frantzie

I’ve been an IBD subscriber for over 15 years. There are no better editorials in any paper in the US. Bill O’Neil is really an unsung hero of American exceptionalism and a leading defender of freedom. He has been calling out Bambi since the beginning. There was a great editorial about Bambi’s communist father and how he tried to screw up Kenya. Another great section of the paper is “Leaders and Success” which looks at great sports, business, science, political and military thinkers. The site is great and always worth a look.


10 posted on 10/03/2008 8:47:56 PM PDT by appeal2 (Brilliance is typically the act of an individual, but great stupidity is reserved for the Gov't)
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To: Salvation

How bout this quote from the full editorial, “Geraghty also found that ‘Katie’s Restaurant’ in Wilmington, Del., where good old Joe invited anyone to have a beer with him, apparently hasn’t been around for decades. Maybe the senator was too busy conferring with imaginary French liberators of Lebanon to visit his constituency.”


11 posted on 10/03/2008 8:53:07 PM PDT by appeal2 (Brilliance is typically the act of an individual, but great stupidity is reserved for the Gov't)
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To: Salvation
Why isn’t the MSM reporting this?

Because they are the MSM.

12 posted on 10/03/2008 8:55:59 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: appeal2
At the risk of sounding insensitve (a reservation Slow Joe hasn't worried about since the incident I'm about to recall), much has been made about the Senator choking up recounting the loss of his family in that car accident.

What has not been mentioned is that Joe has been claiming that his family was killed by a man "who chose to drink his lunch that day".

This is an outrageous lie that was proven wrong the day of the accident by the police, yet grieving Joe has inflicted this lie on the family of that truck driver for 30 plus years.

He is a despicable narcissist who doesn't care who he hurts as long as it benefits him.

And the despicable left claims that Sarah uses Trig as a prop?!?

13 posted on 10/03/2008 9:00:55 PM PDT by CaptRon (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: All


Clearing the Air on Ayers (October 3, 2008)

FRONTPAGE MAGAZINE.com: "OBAMA SONG BRINGS BACK MEMORIES" by Nonie Darwish (October 3, 2008)

Post no. 16 - Link

THE HILL.com: "OBAMA URGES SECOND STIMULUS AFTER BAILOUT PASSES" by Sam Youngman (Posted October 3, 2008, 4:41 pm ET)

WASHINGTON TIMES.com: "FBI INVESTIGATES OBAMA'S FRIEND" by Andrea Billups (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "(Editor's note: The original version of this article has been corrected. The office of Larry D. Walsh was not raided.) The FBI is investigating a former Illinois state senator who is a poker-playing buddy of Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama.") (October 3, 2008)
NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE - blog: "THE BIDEN ERROR/LIE/HALLUCINATION LIST (Updated to 22)" (October 3, 2008)

CNS NEWS.com: "OBAMA FALSELY CLAIMS TAXPAYERS COULD PROFIT FROM BAILOUT" by Matt Cover (October 3, 2008)



[Post no. 16] - ARCHIVES - Topic: BIDEN & OBAMA (aka B & O) (October 3, 2008 -- Click Here.)

14 posted on 10/03/2008 9:05:56 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The only thing I have against Palin in the debate is that there were so many places where she could have handed Biden his liver.


15 posted on 10/03/2008 9:08:20 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Nyet-Bama)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There was also Biden's accusation that John McCain is soft on regulation, when in fact he tried to beef up regulations on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac—an explanation for why he got so little campaign money from Fannie and Freddie over the years—under $22,000—as opposed to the more than $126,000 Obama received in his short time in the Senate.

Recent scuttlebutt says that this financial crisis was timed to make the Republican's look bad so that the Democrats can win big in November. I now think, however, that the crisis was a huge surprise for the Democrats. They have been collecting big payoffs so that they could sweep the whole thing under the rug after the election. With a month to go before the election, even this week's passage of the bailout bill may not be able to accomplish the cover-up.

16 posted on 10/03/2008 9:16:35 PM PDT by AZLiberty (Obama can act presidential. McCain should be President.)
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To: Terpfen

I’m beginning to agree. The WSJ now has a new far lefty on the OpEd page replacing the departed Al Hunt. Hunt long overstayed his welcome and I was very happy to see him go. I can’t believe they hired another far left columnist.

IBD has been running an outstanding multipart series called “The Audacity of Socialism.” Well worth reading. I’ve only read a couple of the 17 part series and need to look up the other columns.


17 posted on 10/03/2008 9:23:50 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: 2ndDivisionVet


Joetox.

18 posted on 10/03/2008 9:24:41 PM PDT by itsamelman (Announcing your plans is a good way to hear God laugh. - - Al Swearengen)
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood

Yes, and Obama is a risky scheme.


19 posted on 10/03/2008 9:28:44 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Mike Darancette

In August she was minding her own business, and that of the state of Alaska. Considering what she’s had to do (including pulling McCain’s bacon out of the fire - twice) in the last 35 days, I think she did well to hand a complete Washington insider his tonsils.


20 posted on 10/03/2008 9:32:17 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Innerestin’


21 posted on 10/03/2008 9:45:55 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: CaptRon

So, who lies more? Obama or Biden? It seems neither of them can even recognize the truth. The complicity of the media is unforgivable.


22 posted on 10/03/2008 9:48:00 PM PDT by jan in Colorado (For Barack Hussein Obama TRUTH FILE see my homepage!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
The WSJ now has a new far lefty on the OpEd page

You may be referring to Thomas Frank. What on earth are they thinking? They are going to alienate a lot of readers...

23 posted on 10/03/2008 9:49:51 PM PDT by nascent skeptic
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To: jan in Colorado

They both lie. Biden willfully, Obama by omission. Yes, the press is comlicit, that’s why on Tuesday McCain has to come strapped and looking to kick ass an take names. God knows the past week has given him more ammo than a gatling gun.


24 posted on 10/03/2008 9:53:53 PM PDT by CaptRon (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: AZLiberty
I totally agree! I think they knew there was going to be a crash, but they wanted to put it off until they had “the One” in office to help them cover their tracks. I think it caught them up short—by about a month. Perhaps that is one reason they, and their media cohorts, had pulled out all the stops to win this particular election.

If you recall Reid's response when he first heard about the crisis, he sounded as befuddled as anyone. His response was, to paraphrase, “I don't know what we're going to do, we're in completely uncharted waters here”.

25 posted on 10/04/2008 1:46:32 AM PDT by singfreedom
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To: AZLiberty
I totally agree! I think they knew there was going to be a crash, but they wanted to put it off until they had “the One” in office to help them cover their tracks. I think it caught them up short—by about a month. Perhaps that is one reason they, and their media cohorts, had pulled out all the stops to win this particular election.

If you recall Reid's response when he first heard about the crisis, he sounded as befuddled as anyone. His response was, to paraphrase, “I don't know what we're going to do, we're in completely uncharted waters here”.

26 posted on 10/04/2008 1:50:11 AM PDT by singfreedom
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To: Frantzie
Does anyone out their know what IBD’s balance sheet looks like? I sure hope this newspaper's revenue isn't down 10%.
27 posted on 10/04/2008 2:00:33 AM PDT by Red Dog #1 (Up is down and down is up...)
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To: itsamelman
I've never seen someone tape their eyes like that.  Sorta reminds me of the Gabor sisters.

I guess we can refer to him as Joe ShaSha Biden from now on.




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28 posted on 10/04/2008 2:04:10 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac president... Obama the strychnine president...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's hard choosing the worst in last Thursday's vice presidential debate: Sen. Joe Biden's continual untruths, his certitude in delivering them, or the free pass he got all night long.

In "The Prince of Darkness," his memoir_of 50 years as a reporter in Washington, Robert Novak points out that while Jimmy Carter successfully ran for president by acting as "the anti-Washington, anti-government, anti-lawyer candidate telling audiences, 'I'll never lie to you' and setting post-Watergate standards of honesty," behind the smile Carter was actually "a habitual liar who modified the truth to suit his purposes."

But neither Carter nor Bill Clinton, whose twists and turns before a grand jury led to his impeachment, ever stared into the camera and spouted such a string of outright fabrications as if they were gospel truths the way Barack Obama's running mate did last week.

Thankfully, the blogosphere has been having a field day cataloguing Joe's whoppers. First, as InstaPundit's Michael Totten instantly noted after the debate, Biden—the great, seasoned foreign policy expert who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee—falsely claimed France and the U.S. "kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon."

Fresh from the McCain people.

JOE BIDEN’S 14 LIES DURING THE DEBATE!

1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.

9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation -- he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”

14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.


NOW, NOW, NOW...THERE GOES JOE BIDEN LYING AGAIN.

29 posted on 10/04/2008 7:34:50 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( I do not want to know the type of person, who does not like Sarah !)
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To: nascent skeptic

I couldn’t remember his name — that’s probably him. I’ve read a couple of his articles and they made me so livid I was about ready to cancel my subscription. I don’t buy the WSJ for far left opinions. Over the past 20 years, the WSJ seems to have morphed into two papers - the editorial page and everything else.


30 posted on 10/04/2008 7:57:17 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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