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U.S. Army troops to serve as U.S. policemen?
Smallgovtimes.com ^ | October 1, 2008 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 10/03/2008 8:37:39 PM PDT by ripnbang

According to the Army Times (dated Tuesday, September 30, 2008), “Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT [Brigade Combat Team] will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.”

The article continued by saying, “But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

“After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.”

The Times column also reported that the Army brigade “may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control . . .” It seems that the Army’s new domestic duties also include “traffic control” as well as subduing “unruly or dangerous individuals.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; chuckbaldwin; martiallaw; tinfoilalert
Has anyone else heard about this? I know this sounds a little "tin foil hat"-like, and who knows if the rumor about the plastic caskets and prison cells is true, but I sure don't remember the signing statement basically removing Posse Comitatus. Look out for the black helicopters /sarc/ :)
1 posted on 10/03/2008 8:37:39 PM PDT by ripnbang
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To: ripnbang

This is from a real article in the Army Times (I think it was dated 9/8/08).
There is more background in FR.


2 posted on 10/03/2008 8:41:54 PM PDT by elpinta (Insured by Walther, Glock, Smith & Wesson.)
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To: ripnbang

Could this be in preparation for the riots when Senator Obama loses? Or when he wins? There will almost certainly be riots in any case.


3 posted on 10/03/2008 8:42:55 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: ripnbang

Baldwin is an absolute loon who hates America.


4 posted on 10/03/2008 8:44:15 PM PDT by robert david (John McCain / Sarah Palin 2008 - Representation for all Americans)
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To: ripnbang; xzins
This is nothing new. The Army has always been available to do domestic operations in support of law enforcement. They can't, absent explicit Congressional authorization, engage in direct law-enforcement, but they aren't obligated to stay in the gates in a civil emergency.
5 posted on 10/03/2008 8:44:48 PM PDT by jude24
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To: ripnbang

Hey, did you not read what Obama’s (so called cousin) Raila Odingo did in Kenya, Africa in Dec 07 when he lost the President election there. Over 1600 people died in ethnic cleansing, and Kofi Annan of the UN had to broker a deal, which took weeks of bloodshed, with the new President to give Odingo 1/2 power making him Prime Minister, and 1/2 cabinet.
Now that said, it has been BUSH who has kept the terrorist out of America, because he has kahunas to kill them. If Obama wins there could be terrorism, he’s weak, and if McCain wins there could be bloodshed from left...riots in streets have happened for less in U.S. Remember those BLT churches who teach racism against whites.


6 posted on 10/03/2008 8:46:35 PM PDT by Kackikat ( Without National Security all other issues are mute points; chaos ensues.))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Or does our government suspect terrorist attacks on our soil very soon? Is this in preparation for possible attacks? Heightened preparation because of the presidential election?


7 posted on 10/03/2008 8:46:58 PM PDT by sneakers (Liberty is the answer to the human condition.)
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To: ripnbang

There is a lot of training going on,and planning being done, for the “Great Flu Pandemic” .I fully expect some would-be tyrants to try using this as a way of finally dismantling the Constitutional Republic. I know the planning for the flu pandemic response includes law enforcement response to civil disobedience. Somehow,I don’t think that civil disobedience is going to be people fighting to GET the shots;more likely,it will be people refusing government mandated injections and forced relocation. FEMA is not freedom or 2nd admendment friendly.Remember New Orleans!


8 posted on 10/03/2008 8:47:00 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: ripnbang
It's on Army Times' own website. Check it out here: http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

Sorry. I don't know the html for making a link. I'm technologically impaired.

9 posted on 10/03/2008 8:47:46 PM PDT by MarcoPolo
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To: jude24

In this case we hope they aren’t needed, but this election is volatile, and if you look at hate and spewing snakes in left media who have planted seeds of dissension for past several years anything is possible.


10 posted on 10/03/2008 8:48:19 PM PDT by Kackikat ( Without National Security all other issues are mute points; chaos ensues.))
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To: robert david

Thought I saw a black helicopter fly over my house today. /s


11 posted on 10/03/2008 8:48:28 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama IS running against Palin)
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To: ripnbang

They are getting ready for the grass roots revolution against the fascist governing bodies. LOL. Hide your weapons and mind your manners.


12 posted on 10/03/2008 8:49:26 PM PDT by Hattie
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To: ripnbang

“U.S. Army troops to serve as U.S. policemen?”

That’s called “martial law.” We’ve used it before, but only in extraordinary circumstances. I’m sure they wouldn’t be deployed without some sudden emergency. Personally, having troops waiting in the wings for a disaster to happen is a waste of money. We can fend for ourselves, for the most part.


13 posted on 10/03/2008 8:50:16 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: hoosierham

I have thought about a pandemic for a long time (bird flu, sars, etc.).

The Great Depression was not only financial, but worsened by the “natural” (partly poor farming practices) disaster of the weather and crop failures. God help us if the current financial crisis is still upon us when a pandemic hits.


14 posted on 10/03/2008 8:50:30 PM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant, Never Fearful)
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To: doc1019

Careful, they may have been UFOs piloted by the reptilians who are actually in charge.


15 posted on 10/03/2008 8:51:23 PM PDT by robert david (John McCain / Sarah Palin 2008 - Representation for all Americans)
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To: MarcoPolo
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army

By Gina Cavallaro - Staff writer

Posted : Tuesday Sep 30, 2008 16:16:12 EDT

16 posted on 10/03/2008 8:56:21 PM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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To: ripnbang

We frequently use the military, I know that we have done it in the 50s, 60s, and 70s.

The 101st and the 82nd seem to be popular for domestic disturbances.


17 posted on 10/03/2008 8:57:08 PM PDT by ansel12 (The old Sarah smile. She is some girl, Sarah Barracuda. Hell, she's a natural-born world-shaker.)
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To: doc1019

No black helicopters,but a brightly colored ultralight DI fly directly over my comp....house and garage!


18 posted on 10/03/2008 8:57:27 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: robert david

Wise words my friend … I will, henceforth, be more careful in promulgating my observations. ;-)


19 posted on 10/03/2008 8:57:38 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama IS running against Palin)
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To: hoosierham

DI=DID

time to get away from the keyboard and rest


20 posted on 10/03/2008 8:58:22 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: Screaming_Gerbil

Thanks for posting the link. I’m not good at this html stuff.


21 posted on 10/03/2008 9:01:22 PM PDT by MarcoPolo
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To: ripnbang
I know this sounds a little "tin foil hat"-like

After the last two weeks, NOTHING sounds like tin foil hat stuff to me.

22 posted on 10/03/2008 9:03:10 PM PDT by dragnet2 (We witnessed the biggest expansion of government in American history)
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To: MarcoPolo

the Army Times (and Navy Times, et al) is a decidedly lefty publication. can’t remember who publishes them, but it’s not an official paper from the Army or the Pentagon.


23 posted on 10/03/2008 9:04:22 PM PDT by fnord (If gun owners, pot smokers, and poker players start a political party, they'd never lose an election)
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To: ripnbang

Smurf Alert!


We may need to call UNICEF to save us.

(Chuck Baldwin is a Constitution Party guy.)

24 posted on 10/03/2008 9:04:32 PM PDT by smokingfrog (God doesn't wear a wrist watch.)
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To: ansel12
We frequently use the military, I know that we have done it in the 50s, 60s, and 70s

Yes but never on a long term, possible permanent basis.

25 posted on 10/03/2008 9:04:47 PM PDT by Hattie
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To: fnord

Gannett publishes them, IIRC.

Navy Times, before I stopped reading it a year or two ago, was especially bad on the Iraq War.


26 posted on 10/03/2008 9:12:16 PM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (QMC(SW) USN........ CG21 DD988 FFG34 PC6 ARS53)
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To: Hattie

The permanent part is only important so that we can have a specially trained unit for terrorist attack aftermaths, it doesn’t mean that they will be any more lethal to civilians than the 82nd would be, or has been in the past.

Moving into a community that has been attacked by Nuclear, Biological, or Chemical attacks, and that has lost the police and firemen and their hospitals takes unique training and specialization.

Having a unit assigned to establish a training standard and an SOP, and developing the special equipment list for those type of operations is a necessity.


27 posted on 10/03/2008 9:20:50 PM PDT by ansel12 (The old Sarah smile. She is some girl, Sarah Barracuda. Hell, she's a natural-born world-shaker.)
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To: fnord
Well, the Army Times (and its sister publications) are brought to you courtesy of Al Neuharth and the friendly folks at Gannett Publishing...

"Army Times Publishing Company is a Gannett subsidiary."

(source: http://www.atpco.com/)

For all that, C4ISR is a great read...

28 posted on 10/03/2008 9:21:41 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you intended to!)
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To: doc1019
Thought I saw a black helicopter fly over my house today. /s

Don't laugh.

My brother and I actually saw one in 1984, right over Figueroa Blvd. in Los Angeles. It was totally silent, and the rotor was turning slower than any copter I've ever seen. I'm dead serious. And I know helicopters having grown up on Army bases.

I still don't know what to make of it, but we did see it.

29 posted on 10/03/2008 9:26:12 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Tublecane
I have been finding several references to martial law and bank holidays on the web. One one site, 321 gold, A source reportedly in Atlanta and high up in the banking food chain there said that Banks have already gotten the notice from the feds and that one bank (I won;t mention it here), already had a shipment of signs tell customers that the bank is officially closed for the bank holiday.

The supposedly banking holiday is to be announced within the next two weeks.

Martial law may be a component of this action.

Anyone else picking up this on the web?

30 posted on 10/03/2008 9:57:14 PM PDT by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing" only a thin dollar, babies free)
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To: ripnbang; Quix; All

Old news,,,

Ya’ll can add the 2nd.BCT.10th.Mt.Div. and many other units

that have been taken off the “Rotation List” to go back

into combat overseas,,,

They are worn out and need a long rest state-side,,,!

Waay back in the olden days this was called the 4th.Army...

P.S. Top Seeekrit Info!!!,,,(EYES ONLY!),,,

I hear a Lil’Trooper will hit the LZ at Ft.Drum in early

summer !!!...;0)


31 posted on 10/03/2008 9:57:56 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: ripnbang
The Army Times issued a correction that basically retracted the author's previous statement about traffic and crowd control. Here is the correction:

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The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

The package is for use only in war-zone operations, not for any domestic purpose.

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That last para was inserted as the correction to the article. Of course I understand this will only further deepen the suspicions of the black helicopter crowd.

32 posted on 10/03/2008 10:00:28 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Amazing how Obama, Rangel, Biden and Dodd all got killer mortgage rates and below cost property.)
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To: abigkahuna

Could you post links for the rest of us as a starting point?

I have found that dehyraded food (dried, not freeze dried) has a 12 to 15 week lead time and that Mountain House will no longer sale thier bulk (#10 cans) “to the public”

There must be some heavy duty panic buying going on out there.


33 posted on 10/03/2008 11:34:54 PM PDT by ASOC (Have a nice day, just don't have it around me (bumper sticker))
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To: abigkahuna

THese guys have a list of banks to close

http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=21174

maybe that’s what triggered the talk??


34 posted on 10/03/2008 11:39:26 PM PDT by ASOC (Have a nice day, just don't have it around me (bumper sticker))
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To: ripnbang

Here’s a strange coincidence.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/function/0,,12215_cid_3692454,00.html?maca=en-rss-en-all-1573-rdf

| 06.10.2008 | 04:00 UTC
Germany to allow domestic military deployment.

After years of debate, top decision-makers with Germany’s coalition partners the Christian Democrats and Social Democrats have agreed that domestic deployment of the country’s military should be allowed in emergency. CDU party head Volker Kauder and his SPD counterpart Peter Struck announced the plan to ammend the constitution after a coalition committee meeting. Both stressed that soldiers may only be deployed to control situations beyond the capacity of police. They named protection against a terrorist threat as a possible example.


35 posted on 10/05/2008 10:46:11 PM PDT by fishhound
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To: fishhound

This is some scary stuff people!! Especially after several members of the House or REP stated they had been threatened with martial law if they did not pass the bail out bill.

And Posse Comitatus has been suspended by Bush - just google it and you’ll find plenty of proof.
http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2008/10/05/posse-comitatus-loophole-to-rule-by-decree/

Where they hell is Cheney lately? I seriously think we’re not going to have any election. They don’t want McCain OR Obama - they’re not going to give up any power, I’m convinced. That’s why Bush tried to ram thru that first bill with no oversight.

Bank holiday? With the markets falling daily??

This seriously scares me, and most people aren’t paying attention.


36 posted on 10/09/2008 4:31:29 PM PDT by Myynnxx
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To: doc1019

“Thought I saw a black helicopter fly over my house
today. /s”

It’s even worse than that. I saw a camouflaged black helicopter today. It was painted in different colors in order to blend in. After the camouflaged black helicopter flew over my house my beber was stuned.


37 posted on 10/09/2008 4:41:26 PM PDT by Brucifer ("The dog ate my copy of the Constitution." G W Bush)
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To: ripnbang

It was in the Army times months ago. I guess Posse Comitatus is the latest policy our leaders are going to throw under the bus.


38 posted on 10/09/2008 4:44:43 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: Brucifer

LOL!


39 posted on 10/09/2008 4:54:44 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama IS running against Palin)
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