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Atheists Sue President Over National Prayer Day
Fox News ^ | October 3, 2008 | Associated Press

Posted on 10/04/2008 2:27:00 AM PDT by AndyTheBear

MADISON, Wis. — The nation's largest group of atheists and agnostics is suing President Bush, the governor of Wisconsin and other officials over the federal law designating a National Day of Prayer.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: agnostics; americanheritage; antiamerican; antichristian; atheists; christianheritage; lawsuit; natldayofprayer; ndop; prayer
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To: wgflyer

“An atheist society can not, as we have seen, maintain any morality.”
Astute observation. It’s because theres no ‘there there’.Consider following that line of argument to its next step some time. I’d suggest reading C.S. Lewis, who was also an atheist at one time. You may find a kindred spirit in him.


21 posted on 10/04/2008 4:11:28 AM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: valkyry1
Well if an atheist were to worship nothing. Perhaps this means that nothing is all powerful, and nothing is completely good. And perhaps the rest of us will have nothing to fear after we die.

Oh my, is nothing sacred?...well I suppose nothing would be...

22 posted on 10/04/2008 4:11:37 AM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: AndyTheBear
The day of prayer, held each year on the first Thursday of May, creates a "hostile environment for nonbelievers, who are made to feel as if they are political outsiders," the lawsuit said.

They want to suppress the freedom of the other 95% of Americans because of ONE DAY of prayer

23 posted on 10/04/2008 4:11:38 AM PDT by Popman (Don’t worry Barney Frank has your ass-ets covered!!!)
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To: Darkwolf377
I have to wonder--if Obama were president, and the national prayer day existed, would they sue him?

Of course not. They would pray to him. After all, he is the Godless messiah

24 posted on 10/04/2008 4:13:29 AM PDT by Popman (Don’t worry Barney Frank has your ass-ets covered!!!)
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To: Popman

whatever happened to “Live and let live”?


25 posted on 10/04/2008 4:18:03 AM PDT by NJ_dems_are_evil ( New Jersey and Corruption, Perfect Together)
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To: RU88
I suspect that everyone prays a little, even the most hardened atheists.

Who else are people talking to when they their soul simply cries out?

26 posted on 10/04/2008 4:20:34 AM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: Darkwolf377

I am an atheist.

I am praying that an asteroid hits Madison. and/or Berkeley.


27 posted on 10/04/2008 4:20:53 AM PDT by mike-zed
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To: AndyTheBear

I guess there are no true atheists then.


28 posted on 10/04/2008 4:22:46 AM PDT by valkyry1 (McCain/Palin 2008)
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To: freekitty
President Bush: And I remind our fellow citizens, if you choose to worship or not worship, and no matter how you worship, we’re all equally American.

It occurs, that this lawsuiting little atheistic group sees the law as their god. They see "law" as their god, their creator. When I saw they were on a lawsuit hunt, I initially began laughing, the irony being too rich to handle quietly. But as I read, I saw how truly insignificant this group feels itself to be, and with little genuine comprehension of either law or G_d.

29 posted on 10/04/2008 4:27:07 AM PDT by Alia
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To: valkyry1
I guess there are no true atheists then.

Nah, that was just highly fallacious punishment.

30 posted on 10/04/2008 4:31:32 AM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: NJ_dems_are_evil
whatever happened to “Live and let live”?

For the most part (not all) atheists have this elitist smug attitude that they are intelligently superior to people who have a faith system based on "God"

So in reality they are just trying to get us to understand we are Neanderthals and need their superior intellect to made us see the error of our ways and stop believing in the "guy in the sky"

Like most liberals, they need to force themselves upon us to make themselves feel validated

31 posted on 10/04/2008 4:31:39 AM PDT by Popman (Don’t worry Barney Frank has your ass-ets covered!!!)
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To: Alia
That is how these agenda groups do it. They know they are not going to convince the public; so they do it through a very bias court system.
32 posted on 10/04/2008 4:54:29 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: freekitty

So, the courts are their “god”. The law is their “god”. I’m curious what they think they personally get out of it. How does it enrich their coffers. Seems to me it only enriches the politicians they elect to office. Maybe the backside is they get more free welfare benefits, so they can have more free time in order to file more law suits.


33 posted on 10/04/2008 5:19:07 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia

I don’t think they see the courts as their god. It’s just a means to get what they want.

Their god is themselves.


34 posted on 10/04/2008 5:38:16 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: AndyTheBear

The National Day of Prayer was instituted in 1952 by Harry Truman:

§ 119. National Day of Prayer
The President shall issue each year a proclamation designating the first Thursday in May as a National Day of Prayer on which the people of the United States may turn to God in prayer and meditation at churches, in groups, and as individuals.


If this weren’t just about liberalism or Bush Derangement Syndrome they would also be suing GHWB, Bubba & Carter.


35 posted on 10/04/2008 6:12:19 AM PDT by Sisku Hanne (The day begins and ends in Alaska.)
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To: Popman

“Like most liberals, they need to force themselves upon us to make themselves feel validated”

Pathetic. I could think of more words to describe them, but this is a clean site.


36 posted on 10/04/2008 7:07:49 AM PDT by NJ_dems_are_evil ( New Jersey and Corruption, Perfect Together)
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To: freekitty

Touche. You are probably right.


37 posted on 10/04/2008 7:30:57 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Jason Kauppinen
Well, I would agree with you that there are plenty of substitutes out there for God, many followed with religious fervor, but it is the society based upon disbelief in God and belief in some entity of man that, to me, defines atheism. I don't believe in God, therefore I am an atheist. But everywhere we see belief in something other than God we see a decline in morality and one can easily see this in the secular, liberal society of our western nations today. Everything bad increases. This is not the kind of society in which I enjoy living.

One caveat, of course...the specific religion makes a big difference. One can not help but note the turmoil in the muslim world, for example. Our Judea Christian religions are not oppressive, but rather very beneficial, for the most part.

38 posted on 10/04/2008 7:43:06 AM PDT by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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To: mkmensinger
“It’s because theres no ‘there there’”

That's right. I find that my own morality slowly settles to the common denominator because I do not have the faith in God required to ascend, or maintain consistency. So I choose to live in a society in which the common denominator is of a high standard. It's like grading on a curve...if the class is a bunch of dunces, a C grade doesn't mean much. But if you're in a class with sharper students, a C grade is better than an A grade in the dunce class. I'll usually get the C grade. But I prefer to get it among sharper, rather than denser peers. (the example is not meant to imply that non believers are dense, only tending less morally stable)

Having said that, I'll pass on reading for religious enlightenment. It just ain't in me. I'll need a pretty earth shaking epiphany before that happens.

39 posted on 10/04/2008 7:57:29 AM PDT by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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To: AndyTheBear

“Ahem, may I presume you meant ‘federal religion’?”

I often use the word “state” in the more general sense of “government.” But anyway, I do believe the First Amendment applies to the states through what is know as the “incorporation” principle. I know, the amendment clearly says, “Congress shall make no law...” It’s silly, but our courts say the fourteenth amendment forces the states to abide the same restrictions that the federal government operates under. These are the leaders we get.


40 posted on 10/04/2008 9:16:46 AM PDT by Tublecane
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