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RING ACTED A-LOAN TO ROB $200M (Ruski predators $200M subprime mtge fraud--they steal, we pay)
NY POST ^ | 10/4/08 | BRUCE GOLDING

Posted on 10/04/2008 5:00:20 AM PDT by Liz

.....a brazen family of fraudsters took advantage of sloppy subprime mortgage lenders to pull off a mindblowing scheme reeling in more than $200M - a devastating hit that contributed to the nation's financial crisis. Garri Zhigun was part of a Russian fraud ring using false documents, stolen ID's and "straw" buyers for over 1,000 subprime mortgages 2004-06. The 27-member gang worked out of a Brooklyn mortgage brokerage owned by Zhigun's mother........targets included fallen lenders Washington Mutual Bank, conned out of $842,500, Countrywide taken for $396,000.......and preyed on other banks and mortgage companies. Zhigun and accomplice Aleksander "Shorty" Lipkin bought condos for $8M and transferred ownership to Zhigun's mother, Galina Zhigun, owner of AGA Capital mortgage brokerage, and his wife, Maryann "Marina" Furman, office manager. Garri Zhigun lost his stockbroker's license in 2002 over fraud allegations. Mother Galina Zhigun, a civil engineer from Russia, pleaded guilty to bank fraud......she got $870,000 in mortgages from Flagstar Bank. Wife Furman pleaded guilty to wire fraud for faxing a phony loan application. She got $750,000 from New Century Mortgage Corp. records show.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Extended News
KEYWORDS: aliens; bailout; identitytheft; idtheft; immigrantlist; realestatefraud; russians; subprime; wamu
These predator "immigrants" get on the US gravy train as soon as they get off the boat and learn to say say "gimmee" in English. US taxpayers provides all kinds of federal, state and city handouts and job set-asides (jobs taken from born Americans)......soon as these illegals say the magic words: "political asylum." Pretending to be "victims" is a lucrative con game. The FBI has fingered the Russian mob in all kinds of frauds---billion-dollar staged auto accidents, billion-dollar Medicare/Aid fraud, billion-dollar insurance and securities fraud, ID theft, sex crimes, child porn......you name it (read below).

Golly, now that I've outed the scoundrels, they'll have to kill me (sniffle). (Yawn) I'm so scared (snore-zzzzz). No problem, fellow posters, I notified the US DOJ, FBI, the CIA, Interpol, Scotland Yard, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the Carbinieri, and Mossad. And I named names.

1 posted on 10/04/2008 5:00:21 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz

The Russains were really big in the gasoline tax scam too.


2 posted on 10/04/2008 5:05:14 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (QMC(SW) USN........ CG21 DD988 FFG34 PC6 ARS53)
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To: All

REFERENCE——EXECUTIVE SUMMARY THE TRI-STATE JOINT SOVIET-EMIGRE ORGANIZED CRIME PROJECT. RUSSIAN-EMIGRE CRIME IN THE TRI-STATE AREA.

Gangsters from the former Soviet Union have established a strong and abiding presence in the New York/New Jersey/Pennsylvania region, engaging in a wide array of crimes that range from sophisticated financial frauds to narcotics trafficking to murder. Evidence also shows that members of disparate Russian-emigre crime groups here have the potential to develop into one of the most formidable organized crime challenges to law enforcement since the advent of La Cosa Nostra.

These are among the key findings of the Tri-State JointSoviet-Emigre Organized Crime Project, a cooperative research andinvestigative effort launched four years ago by four agencies in New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania - the New York Organized Crime Task Force, the New York State Commission of Investigation,the New Jersey State Commission of Investigation and the Pennsylvania Crime Commission. Investigative agents and staff from these agencies conducted the project in conjunction with criminal justice experts from Rutgers University.

The Project’s report presents the first comprehensive publicassessment of the threat posed to this region by criminal elements emanating from within the former Soviet Union. The report catalogues the history and growth of Russian-emigre crime networks, from their core base in the Brighton Beachsection of Brooklyn to their current reach well beyond the New York metropolitan area into the counties of central New Jersey and the suburbs of Philadelphia. One of the most troubling aspects is evidence of links between individuals here and criminal elements in the former Soviet Union, a phenomenon that lends a disturbing and complex international dimension to this emerging domestic law enforcement problem.The range of criminal and illicit activities linked to these groups is impressive.

The Project report details Russian-emigre involvement in a variety of highly sophisticated frauds and confidence schemes, financial crimes, including money laundering, counterfeiting and securities fraud, narcotics trafficking and an assortment of vice crimes.Russian-emigre criminals are no strangers to violence either.

THE NATURE OF RUSSIAN-EMIGRE CRIME

Crimes of Deception

Motor Fuel Tax Fraud

Insurance and Entitlement Fraud

Confidence Schemes

Counterfeiting

Violent Crimes

Homicide/Attempted Homicide

Extortion and Kidnapping

Drug Trafficking

Money Laundering

Vice Crimes (Regpay, a Florida credit card processing company operated by Byelorussians, was nailed for processing online child porn payments; Minx, Belarus, once a constituent republic of the Soviet Union (independent since 1991) is the origin of many of these predators on US soil.

—SNIP—

PDF LONG READ http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Ahm0dOHcKHEJ:www.state.nj.us/sci/pdf/russian.pdf


3 posted on 10/04/2008 5:05:44 AM PDT by Liz (Taxpayer: one who works for the govt but doesn't have to take a civil service test. R. Reagan.)
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To: Liz

No one in government cares.


4 posted on 10/04/2008 5:09:32 AM PDT by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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To: Liz

And perhaps if these banks had done a bit more due diligence before lending money to these crooks, then most of this fraud could have been prevented. Of course, now that the Wall Street Welfare Queen Act of 2008 is law, there is once again no incentive for banks to lend in a responsible manner.


5 posted on 10/04/2008 5:12:19 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: All

Cable-TV’s History Channel did an excellent expose of the horrors of Russian organized crime. The expose asserted that before they land here, Russian criminals stop off in Israel to get all the available freebies (some of the Russian rascals pretend to be Jewish to fraudulently pocket Israeli benefits).

They come to the US under liberal political asylum laws. They plead “religious persecution” and immediately get on the US gravy train sucking up US tax dollars like it was going out of style. One TV report chronicled the lifestyle of an unemployed 30’ish Russian immigrant-—a trained engineer——picking up US welfare checks while his wife was lolling around getting her hair and nails done courtesy of US taxpayers.

Russian emigres arriving in the US are treated like royalty, with tax-subsidized government grants, tax-subsidized housing, and job set-asides waiting for them......jobs taken from taxpaying born-Americans.

Russian TV runs a nightly show outlining the US giveaway programs, how to fill out the forms etc, which US offices to apply to, etc. The sense of entitlement is outrageous. Preying off working class Americans must end.


6 posted on 10/04/2008 5:13:43 AM PDT by Liz (Taxpayer: one who works for the govt but doesn't have to take a civil service test. R. Reagan.)
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To: Liz

Is great country!


7 posted on 10/04/2008 5:14:32 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Liz

Not to worry. The Bush Administration, Paulson and our Congress have promised that we’ll make money off the bail-out. I can “feel” the dollars flowing in even now.


8 posted on 10/04/2008 5:15:14 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Liz

The Soviet underground was an excellent criminal training ground for getting around any system.


9 posted on 10/04/2008 5:16:19 AM PDT by decimon
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To: All
TEXAS HOLD 'EM BY $7M 'CON MAN'
NY POST By LAURA ITALIANO
August 17, 2007

EXCERPT A 24-year-old NY Russian con man is accused of an international plot to swipe $7M out of the home-equity credit account of a GWB backer. ID-theft suspect Igor Klopov targeted Texas billionaire Charles Wyly Jr. (Wyly donated $2M to Bush).

..... the Russian apparently targeted Wyly b/c in Texas property-deed info is online.

What he couldn't get online, Klopov would forge, sometimes with the help of hired American recruits and even private investigators........He assembled a complete dossier, including driver's license, birth certificate, utility bills, blank checks and brokerage statements, prosecutors said.

He also called the billionaire's bank, posing as Wyly, allegedly asking that a new home-equity line checkbook be sent to the home of an accomplice, who then tried to use the checkbook to write a $7 million check to a Westchester gold dealer.

SOURCE http://www.nypost.com/seven/08172007/news/regionalnews/texas_hold_em_by_7m_con_man_regionalnews_laura_italiano.htm

10 posted on 10/04/2008 5:18:24 AM PDT by Liz (Taxpayer: one who works for the govt but doesn't have to take a civil service test. R. Reagan.)
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To: Liz
They come to the US under liberal political asylum laws.

Do they get props for coming here legally? :)

11 posted on 10/04/2008 5:18:39 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: org.whodat

We were a victim of mortgage fraud in 2004.

Wife’s identity was stolen and used to buy a $500,000 in Houston suburb (Katy)

I spent 60 days and many hours figuring out the scam

Called local Texas authorities - no help

Called Georgia (where I live) - no help

Called the FBI - no help

Called Texas AG office - no help

Called the builder and real estate agents who sold the property - F-— Y— (they told me)

Called the mortgage broker - FRAUD ring leader

Called the bank - trying to foreclose on ME

Called the Secret Service (BING0) - took my case, I gave them the case file I developed, they offered me a job and then they proceeded to expose and bust the LARGEST mortgage fraud scheme ever in Houston

GUESS who were the culprits - NIGERIANs (ring leader), JAMAICANS (muscle and faudulent home flippers) and INDIANS (fraudulent co-signers and flippers)

TRUE STORY


12 posted on 10/04/2008 5:22:59 AM PDT by KCengineer ( Speaking the TRUTH)
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To: HarleyD
Not to worry. The Bush Administration, Paulson and our Congress have promised that we’ll make money off the bail-out. I can “feel” the dollars flowing in even now.

Yeah---that feels so good. Here's how we're gonna make money (/sarc) .

BOFA SAYS FED MAY GO 'BEAR'---Bloomberg----The US Federal Reserve may lose as much as $6 billion on a portfolio of mortgage-backed assets it took over from Bear Stearns Cos., according to Bank of America Corp. analysts. The Fed will announce on Oct. 23 its quarterly estimate of the fair value of Maiden Lane LLC's $30 billion of holdings that JPMorgan Chase considered too risky when it acquired Bear Stearns in March, Bank of America analysts Jeffrey Rosenberg and Hans Mikkelsen wrote in a client note. The central bank valued the assets at $29 billion as of June 30, according to the report. "With the worsening in mortgage markets since last quarter, we estimate a range of $2 billion to $6 billion of unrealized losses," the New York-based analysts wrote. About half the portfolio is backed by commercial mortgages and half by residential loans.

SOURCE http://www.nypost.com/seven/10032008/business/bofa_says_fed_may_go_bear_131960.htm

13 posted on 10/04/2008 5:23:17 AM PDT by Liz (Taxpayer: one who works for the govt but doesn't have to take a civil service test. R. Reagan.)
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To: pnh102
....perhaps if these banks had done a bit more due diligence before lending money to these crooks, then most of this fraud could have been prevented.......

These oily Russian crooks are very shrewd----they probably posed as "disadvantaged minorities" and used other "victimization" schemes----as the US lending system was being beaten down by liberal do-gooders.

14 posted on 10/04/2008 5:29:59 AM PDT by Liz (Taxpayer: one who works for the govt but doesn't have to take a civil service test. R. Reagan.)
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To: KCengineer

thank you


15 posted on 10/04/2008 5:33:53 AM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Liz

Joe Scarborough will call this article another example of “blaming poor people.”


16 posted on 10/04/2008 5:37:54 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("[Obama acts] as if the very idea of permanent truth is passe, a form of bad taste"-Shelby Steele)
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To: KCengineer

Any way to read more about the case?
I want to know every detail, especially interested in
the responses to your request for help.


17 posted on 10/04/2008 5:39:20 AM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth; All
Russians, Nigerians, India, south America and Mexico..
Gotta admire it in a way..they come here and rip off our government and banks for $$$$

While I sit here paying my taxes and bills as dumb as a rock all the while looking at self dealing corruption from wall street to Washington where business and politicians blatantly steal billions $$$ in plain sight.

Perhaps these criminal immigrants have realized corruption is now the American way.. they have the brains and guts to join in on the party.

18 posted on 10/04/2008 5:45:19 AM PDT by shadowgovernment (From the Ashes of a Republican rout will raise a Conservative Party)
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To: KCengineer
Called the builder and real estate agents who sold the property - F-— Y— (they told me)

These people and their complete like of ethics is one one the main unaddressed problems causing the bailout.

19 posted on 10/04/2008 6:00:01 AM PDT by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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To: TET1968

Local authorities were swamped by fraud cases and did not have the talent or resources to take the case. They also had a no harm no foul mentality.

FBI was WORTHLESS. Never called me back and supposedly were swamped by 9-11.

The guy that lead the fraud ring managed to become a prominent face in the Texas Mortgage Assn. in order to increase his profle and afford himself legitmacy.

My big break us utilizing the state of Texas Department of Public Safety website. For $10 you can enter names and pull police records on people. Most states don’t allow this.

Once I got these scumbags police records I started faxing and e-mailing them to real estate agents, builders and credit resellers that were working with these crooks. Amazingly these crooks managed to get an account with a Credit Report reseller in Florida. The reseller emphatically told me that this guy was legit and they checked him out. Once I faxed them his poilce record they got real scared and quiet.

Keep in mind folks, there are three main credit bureaus, but 100’s of credit resellers. The credit resellers are legit but they are more susceptible to being conned by the bad guys.

I am an amateur expert at busting fraud. Unfortunately, there are not enough me’s, too many of them and law enforcement that is overwhelmed.

The Secret Service was great to deal with. They busted the ring and had them tried. The ring leader was given bond (f-—ing judge) and fled to Nigeria where he is right now. His wife got five years and others got slapped too.

This is a small part of the story.

Interestingly my county investigator here in Georgia said he 12 fraud cases in 2002 and 150 in 2003.

Our government is BROKE!!!!


20 posted on 10/04/2008 6:00:25 AM PDT by KCengineer ( Speaking the TRUTH)
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To: KCengineer
These people get caught, they leave the country buy a new Id and are back in a month and no cop will ever bother to check them. That would be profiling you know.
21 posted on 10/04/2008 6:06:28 AM PDT by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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To: org.whodat

I found out that builders, real estate agents, appraisors, underwriters, sub-contractors and others all made money on the transaction. Since they all were made whole at closing then it didn’t matter to them that deal stunk. This happened.

Amazingly my last name is of Scottish descent and the woman who came to closing as my wife was frigging INDIAN..as was the other co-signer.

THE SCAM is simple...buy a new home for $350,000, falsify the lending documents, falsify suppose home improvement/upgrades taking the house to $500,000, get a scummy appraisor who said it was done and values the house at $500,00, at closing the scumbag no ethic builder gets $350,000, the phony upgrade contractor gets $150,000, the real estate agent gets a commission, the appraisor gets paid, closing cost are paid to the phony mortgage broker (who happened to own the phony contracting firm who did the upgrades) and VOILA!!!!

Now our BULLSHIT government is making whole the financial entities and the GSE’s that underwrote and fertilized this rotten system.

ALL TRUE!!!


22 posted on 10/04/2008 6:12:29 AM PDT by KCengineer ( Speaking the TRUTH)
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To: Liz
"you're gonna miss me when I'm gone" ... John Gotti

the Gambinos used to 'control' this sort of thing but since the break up/down the Russians have filled in many voids .... the chi-coms are in cartage in North Jersey

LOL that's just un-American

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23 posted on 10/04/2008 6:17:17 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: KCengineer
Have you read about some of the fraud that has gone on in Atlanta. It is just unbelievable how much of the I got my pay to hell with the truth has gone on.

Old Rush brought up the illegal house cleaner that bought the 400 thousand plus home in Maryland the other day. No one has put the mortgage broke in jail yet?? Just wait until we get a republican attorney general!

24 posted on 10/04/2008 6:18:22 AM PDT by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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To: org.whodat

I live in Atlanta. Where do you think the whole Houston deal started?

Atlanta, Houston, Detroit are all epi-centers of this crap.

My wifes pay check was stolen by a courier (along with others). The identities were then mined to determine who has the best credit to be used in a fraudulent purchase. That is where the bad guys use the credit resellers to do their dirty work for them.


25 posted on 10/04/2008 6:23:59 AM PDT by KCengineer ( Speaking the TRUTH)
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To: KCengineer
Ok, most people have been so caught up in the political spin about this they have no idea how bad the lending practices were. Wish I could show them the number of started subdivisions within a 100 miles of Atlanta and how many homes are empty. But then they will own them all shortly and the builders can build more empty homes for bailout number 2.
26 posted on 10/04/2008 6:36:08 AM PDT by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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To: All

REAL ESTATE WHIZ BUSTED FOR THEFT
By LAURA ITALIANO and ZACHERY KOUWE, NY POST

EXCERPT Adam Hochfelder, a 37-year-old hotshot real-estate developer, was arrested on charges of cheating banks, relatives and friends out of more than $17M over six years. As chairman of Max Capital Management, once one of the largest commercial landlords in Manhattan, he allegedly forged numerous documents and lied about his net worth in order to secure $10M in loans from Bank of America and North Fork Bank. Among other charges, he was indicted on six counts of grand larceny, punishable by up to 25 years in prison.

Hochfelder, the son of an Old Westbury, LI garment manufacturer; he gained notoriety in 1998 when he bought 230 Park Avenue - once owned by real estate legend Harry Helmsley.

Over the course of the DA’s four-year investigation, Hochfelder has paid back a little over $12M to the two banks and his allegedly swindled friends and family members.

Prosecutors allege he took money to pay capital calls at Max Capital and for personal expenses. He was very successful at convincing people he was a successful entrepreneur, but was using borrowed money.

SOURCE http://www.nypost.com/seven/08282008/business/real_estate_whiz_busted_for_theft_126489.htm


27 posted on 10/04/2008 6:50:17 AM PDT by Liz (Taxpayer: one who works for the govt but doesn't have to take a civil service test. R. Reagan.)
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To: Tennessee Nana; AuntB; raybbr; TADSLOS

August 7, 2007

UN GUY IN 100G IMMIG FRAUD: FEDS
(ruse let illegal aliens slip into US)
By KATI CORNELL and C.J. SULLIVAN, NY POST

A United Nations translator and his pal pocketed more than $100,000 helping illegal aliens slip into the country through a ruse that made it appear hey were attending U.N.-sponsored conferences, the feds charged yesterday. Vyacheslav Manokhin, a Russian translator for the United Nations, and pal Vladimir Derevianko, Bloomfield, N.J, used official letterhead in drafting the bogus documents - often signing the names of fictional U.N. officials - for would-be immigrants round the world, the feds allege.

Since April 2005, approximately 20 phony letters went out, according to a criminal complaint unsealed yesterday in Manhattan Fderal court. At least nine illegal immigrants from Uzbekistan snagged U.S. entry visas after paying $15,000 each to Manokhin and Derevianko. To back up the
aliens’ entry visa applications, Manokhin, 45, allegedly listed his phone extension at the U.N.’s headquarters in Manhattan as a contact number and fielded calls
posing as an assistant to the nonexistent U.N. officials.

In some cases, Manokhin, who lives in a two-bedroom condo in Greenwich, Conn., signed his own name to he letters of request inviting the aliens to attend U.N. conferences in Manhattan - listing his title as U.N. “project coordinator.”

Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael Farbiarz said the pair duped officials around the world with their “sophisticated and audacious scheme” - going so far as to doctor
fax lines on the documents to make it seem like they came from U.N. headquarters. “It is a network that is very good and very successful at what it does,” Farbiarz old Federal Magistrate Judge Kevin Fox at an initial court appearance. The prosecutor said the scam was so polished that foreign officials verifying the applications abroad “flat-out fell for it.”

Derevianko, 44, who works translating immigration documents for a law firm, used his expertise to prepare the phony letters on stationery he got from Manokhin, according to Salvatore D’Alessandro, acting special agent in charge for Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Derevianko, of Bloomfield, N.J., at times also posed as the head of a non-governmental organization involved in U.N.-sponsored conferences in correspondence and by phone, the feds alleged. U.N. investigators grew suspicious as early as 2005 and questioned Manokhin, who denied preparing the letters, but said he’d agreed to let Derevianko use his phone number and “to vouch for the visa applicants as legitimate [U.N.] conference attendees,” court papers state.

Manokhin’s lawyer Alex Oh said the translator has been in the U.S. for 19 years, though his wife and two children are on an extended vacation in Russia. “He does not want to return to Russia. He will contest the allegations vigorously,” Oh said.

The feds nabbed a third defendant, Kamiljan Tursunov, 44, in Florida for allegedly paying $15,000 to get a bogus invitation to a June 2005 United Nations onference that he never planned to attend. Tursunov, a citizen of Uzbekistan who has lived illegally in the United States for two years, admitted to federal nvestigators that he shelled out cash to enter the U.S. under false pretenses, according to court papers.

Derevianko, a former Soviet Union native, was granted political asylum by the US Feb 2005 and has a pending application for permanent-resident status. Manokhin and Derevianko face mmigration-fraud conspiracy charges that could land them maximum prison sentences of 5 years and 10 years respectively.

SOURCE http://www.nypost.com/seven/08072007/news/regionalnews/u_n__guy_in_100g_immig_fraud__feds_regionalnews_kati_cornell_________and_c_j__sullivan.htm


28 posted on 10/04/2008 6:56:12 AM PDT by Liz (Taxpayer: one who works for the govt but doesn't have to take a civil service test. R. Reagan.)
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To: Liz

My only question is how many others were involved in the same nefarious activity. This group certainly weren’t the only ones cashing in. I’m sure this was being done by both immigrants and native born. However illegal immigrants would seem to be especially prone to this behavior because of a lack of ties to America, a shown propensity for breaking the law, and a built in support network in the country from which they came.


29 posted on 10/04/2008 7:01:31 AM PDT by RU88 (The false messiah can not change water into wine any more than he can get unity from diversity.)
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To: Liz
We need a moratorium on immigration, bank loans, and democrats/rinos!
30 posted on 10/04/2008 7:45:51 AM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


31 posted on 10/04/2008 8:46:27 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Liz
The Russians aren't the only ones who have gamed the system. It goes on every day in every area of govt. handouts we have. Its’ a corollary to socialism which is the path we are headed down if we don't stand up and shout down all the con men on the left.
32 posted on 10/04/2008 9:35:47 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: pnh102
Sometimes that's not even the problem. In some cases if you don't lend to one of the minority groups, no matter whom, Russian, women, blacks,mexicons whatever,they call their lawyer and raise hell.

We need more pubbie lawyers protecting the country and the system real quick.

This is why we need one set of banking rules that apply to all no matter who you are.

33 posted on 10/04/2008 9:43:12 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: KCengineer

when America stopped being for Americans first we all got screwed.


34 posted on 10/04/2008 9:45:50 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: Liz

bump


35 posted on 10/04/2008 9:57:45 AM PDT by VOA
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To: KCengineer

Thanks for that.


36 posted on 10/04/2008 10:21:47 AM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: rodguy911

IMO a large part of the blame goes directly to Ted Kennedy who had a lifelong career working to diversify America with the scum of every despicable lowlife on the planet.


37 posted on 10/04/2008 10:31:57 AM PDT by B4Ranch (I'd rather have a VP that can gut a Moose, than a President that wants to gut our Second Amendment!)
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To: Liz

btt


38 posted on 10/04/2008 12:36:21 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: B4Ranch
For sure but it would be a mistake to single out ol’ teddy the swimmer he's just one of the main rats that are all responsible from hillary/pilgosoi on down the line.They are every bit as bad as the Russian mobsters just not as overt.
39 posted on 10/04/2008 3:57:10 PM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: Liz

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/17/nyregion/17theft.html

BTW....All refugees can get outrageous benefits. But Russians seem to exploit them the most. We got a lot of Somali Bantu refugees recently. They’re Muslim of course. They lack the savvy to exploit these refugee freebies from Uncle Sam, let alone use a flush toilet


40 posted on 10/05/2008 2:54:56 AM PDT by dennisw (Never bet on Islam! ::::: Never bet on a false prophet!)
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To: dennisw; RU88; AuntB
Many thanks for the link. Good reference story.

At this point in time, Americans' gag reflex kicks in at the very mention of "diversity."

These immigrants are chasing the American dream, but for working class Americans forced to subsidize immigrants' every whim, it has become a nightmare.

RU88 SUMMED IT UP BEST: "illegal immigrants seem to be especially prone to this behavior because of a lack of ties to America, a demonstrated propensity for breaking the law, and a built-in support network from their countries of origin."

As Aunt B posted, we need a moratorium on immigration.

And the end of all these entitlement programs.

41 posted on 10/05/2008 7:54:52 AM PDT by Liz (Taxpayer: one who works for the govt but doesn't have to take a civil service test. R. Reagan.)
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