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The VP Debate: Odd Moments
The Washington Post ^ | October 3, 2008 | Ruth Marcus

Posted on 10/04/2008 6:57:05 AM PDT by george76

Sen. Joseph Biden was illogical on the matter of gay rights.

“Look, in an Obama-Biden administration, there will be absolutely no distinction from a constitutional standpoint or a legal standpoint between a same-sex and a heterosexual couple,” Biden said in answer to a question about whether he supported equal benefits for same-sex couples.

He went on to invoke the Constitution three more times.

“The fact of the matter is that under the Constitution.... same-sex couples should be able to have visitation rights in the hospitals, joint ownership of property, life insurance policies, et cetera. That's only fair.” And, “It's what the Constitution calls for. And so we do support it. We do support making sure that committed couples in a same-sex marriage are guaranteed the same constitutional benefits as it relates to their property rights, their rights of visitation, their rights to insurance, their rights of ownership as heterosexual couples do.”

Biden cannot actually mean what he says -- because the implications of his statement contradicts his (and Barack Obama’s) asserted position opposing marriage for same-sex couples. (They support civil unions, which Biden forgot to mention.)

(Excerpt) Read more at voices.washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Delaware
KEYWORDS: 2008debates; biden; democrats; gayvote; homosexualagenda; josephbiden; nobama08; obama; obamatruthfile; samesexmarriage

1 posted on 10/04/2008 6:57:05 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

“Biden cannot actually mean what he says — because the implications of his statement contradicts his (and Barack Obama’s) asserted position opposing marriage for same-sex couples.”

Of course he means what he says. Since when have Obama/Biden honored their prior commitments?


2 posted on 10/04/2008 6:59:43 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: george76
"Palin reverted to Couric interview-levels of blather."

So now we know - they're just gonna keep beating the dead straw man.

3 posted on 10/04/2008 7:00:21 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: george76

Notice how they always say “Same sex” instead of HOMOSEXUAL. Talk about euphemisms!


4 posted on 10/04/2008 7:03:20 AM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: anniegetyourgun

That’s not the right usage of strawman.


5 posted on 10/04/2008 7:04:36 AM PDT by itsPatAmerican
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To: george76
Not an odd moment .... but a great moment!

Give Me That Wink!

6 posted on 10/04/2008 7:13:13 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: itsPatAmerican

You’re right....I have abuse of strawmen.


7 posted on 10/04/2008 7:17:51 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
Did you see Palin being interviewed on Fox yesterday she said she was aggravated by the question of what do you read, it was stated as if she wouldn't possibly have access to anything worth while to read and was attempting to imply Palin was a dumb sh$t.

With all the editing done on the Couric interview, there is no telling what Katie said to Palin that was edited out. I'm sure she was extremely condescending in the parts that were edited out.

8 posted on 10/04/2008 7:19:43 AM PDT by okokie (40 days of Prayer and fasting to end abortion Sept 24-Nov 2 http://www.40daysforlife.com/splash.cfm)
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To: okokie

Yes, the Palin interview with Cameron was fab - she was as real in that interview as I think one could be. She literally (and figuratively) let her hair down.


9 posted on 10/04/2008 7:21:41 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: george76

Have you read the comments on You Tube with this video? I think it has been taken over by DU. I had to stop after only a few - they are ugly!


10 posted on 10/04/2008 7:25:55 AM PDT by ohiogrammy
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To: kcvl; wagglebee; SunkenCiv; LucyT; potlatch; Candor7; beaversmom

He went on to invoke the Constitution three more times.


11 posted on 10/04/2008 7:26:46 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Absolutely great moment! All the little down-homeisms that Sarah Palin brings NATURALLY to this election cycle is what reaches out to people. I loved it when she gave “a shout out,” to her brother’s 3rd grade class and told them they get extra credit for stayin’ up to watch the debate. Just a really nice touch.

At the end of the day, what I like most about her (and what has literally dragged me over to casting my vote for McCain) is that she is not like THEM (not like Dems, Repubs, life-long politicians, MSM-types, Hollywood, elitists, etc.) She is like the average American—like me (no boasting in that intended).

The whole notion of changing the way Washington works is exactly what this election needs to be about. The bail-out, the $700 billion farce, the way that it was arrived at should prove to all that our political leaders are and ever have been flying by the seat of their pants when it comes to OUR money and OUR resources. If they had to put up 1/3 - 1/2 of all THEIR money/all their savings—if they had to stake THEIR financial lives on what they were voting on, I daresay we would have had a much more thoughtful, deliberative process take place. But because it was OUR money and not THEIRS, they were able to ‘FIX’ the problem quickly. So, now, the ‘FIX’ is in! Isn’t it funny how Pres. Bush has been continally harrangued about “rushing” into war (he took almost a year before he committed troops) while this bailout, which uses astronomical AMERICAN TAXPAYER resources is “deliberated” for 1 week! If that doesn’t dramatize the problem here, I don’t know what does.

I don’t think McCain passes the sniff-test on this, by the way. Sarah Palin sure does. So, her wink, her “youbetcha” her “doggoneit” her “Say it ain’t so, Joe” all work for me—She sounds so different from THEM.


12 posted on 10/04/2008 7:29:22 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: Brilliant

We have TWO “professors” on the Democrat ticket this year.

For obscure reasons, these professorial types tend to think they have enough expertise in the nuances of government, that they should be beyond any question of their authority.

The attitude was demonstrated most amply in the first “modern” Democrat President, Woodrow Wilson. He was an autocratic despot, insisting on imposing his will on the majority, badgering the country into a war which he had declared the United States would never be involved in, then the principles of popular elections of Senators (rather than the previous Constitutional method of being selected by the state legislatures), the Federal income tax, and finally the worst experiment of all, Prohibition.

Now THERE was a man that brought “change” to America. Compare that with FDR (whose popularity was as much for bringing beer back to the public, as it was for all the other “reforms” put together), the Kennedy-Johnson years, the Carter years, and the regime of the “Former Occupant of the Oval Office, 1993-2001”, who NEVER fulfilled the duties of the Presidential office. Not once. Most of them could not make a rational decision on the economy if they had to, unless there was overwhelming demand from the legislative branch and from the people for that change.

One exception, perhaps, was Harry S Truman, who was much more at the mercy of circumstances, and responded to them in a somewhat common sense manner, than most of his Democrat predecessors or successors. And he did it with the simple statement, “The buck stops here.”

The rest of them were past masters at prevarication, fabrication, deceit, and “misstatements”.

Expect a reprise of all the worst of the past hundred years if Obama-Biden DO become President and Vice President.

Count on it, John McCain is deliberately pulling his punches and NOT campaigning to be President of the United States.

America is SO screwed.


13 posted on 10/04/2008 7:30:31 AM PDT by alloysteel (Just because you are a target, does not mean you have to be a victim.)
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To: george76

Biden twists himself into knots when he can’t even get the facts straight about what he supports.


14 posted on 10/04/2008 7:31:44 AM PDT by paulklenk (www.McCainLove.com, by Paul Klenk)
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To: ohiogrammy

One commenter actually said this,
“Please God, make Palin go away! “

Every Christian I know was praying to the God that (I suppose) this person was speaking of. We were all praying for her to stand firm, strong, poised, assured, at peace, quick, sharp, confident, in control.

Looks like she might be sticking around some. Youbetcha!


15 posted on 10/04/2008 7:36:28 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: MarDav
“doggoneit”

I heard some super snotty lib comment that saying that phrase proves she is not ready for the VP. I was surfing and came upon the middle of the discussion but I did catch that part. She was a dem strategist and was horrified in Palin using that phrase.

16 posted on 10/04/2008 7:37:28 AM PDT by thirst4truth
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To: thirst4truth

I channel-surfed after the debate over to MSNBC (a station I never tune in to) to see how they were going to parse the debate. Olbermann and Maddow were discussing how they would love to have the chance to debate Palin, how they would love to question her (”and, yes, Governor Palin, there will be follow up questions...”)—so full of self-importance, so full of self.

Absolutely jarring how elitist these folks are. One wonders how two of them can ever fit in the same room together!


17 posted on 10/04/2008 8:02:25 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: MarDav

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle nailed this sort of person in a throwaway line from one of the Sherlock Holmes stories: “Mediocrity knows nothing better than itself.”

Being at best of mediocre intellect themselves, despicable swine such as Olbermann and Maddow are unable to perceive that others are much, much smarter than they.

Left with differences of opinion to account for, they attribute them to their own superior intelligence and wisdom.

Libtards always presume themselves to be smarter than anyone to their right.

Another factor, of course, is Satan playing on their pride.


18 posted on 10/04/2008 8:21:39 AM PDT by dsc
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To: 2harddrive
Racial Minorities.......people of color ( aren't we all?)

Sodomites and Lesbians................Same sex

Airlines Gay Baggage....................Faggage

Trig.........................Campaign Object

I am unable and unmotivated to keep up with the invasion of politics through political correctness into my vocabulary. F__K them all. I am using the words I was brought up with, with no apologies.

I refuse to be redefined by the social engineering of American Fascism: political correctness.

I accept the entire History of our great nation, whether I think it good or bad. I do not , nor will I ever seek to correct what others see as historical wrongs. I wasn't even alive through most of it.

All Americans can pull up their boot straps, work hard, and be successful. Anything else is just an excuse not to.

F__K Obama, F__K Paulsen, and F__K Barney Franks. I am not playing their silly bi-partisan games any longer. The US government has become the enemy of the People after the Fraudulent Bail Out Vote contrary to the wishes of 90% of Americans.It has ruined the lives of millions of Americans who do not realize that yet.But they will over the next 30 days.

I support the Joint Chiefs of Staff taking control of our nation until after the election, and who need to oust Secretary Treasurer Paulsen and put him in jail.

19 posted on 10/04/2008 8:30:44 AM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (http://www.theobamafile.com/))
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To: MarDav
Yep!

She sounds so different from THEM.

Because she is U.S. As in us. You and me. And she has a natural intelectual/personality talent. Just give her 4 years as a VP and she will dominate the political landscape of the United States for decades!

20 posted on 10/04/2008 8:42:27 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

The Constitution doesn’t address homosexualality and certainly doesn’t address benefits. Tell these homosexual to see an attorney and stop wasting everyone’s time. There agenda is nothing more than a “money scam” at this point...and it’s my money.


21 posted on 10/04/2008 9:27:10 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: thirst4truth

“doggoneit”

what’s ironic is that is how most of america talks.


22 posted on 10/04/2008 9:27:27 AM PDT by zwerni (*** PALIN/mccain 2008 ***)
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To: alloysteel

Yeah... No surprise...What did he say this Summer...that he facored gas rationing...?

This guy couldn’t negotiate an enema in a nursing home...

I’m embarrassed that he’s a republican...

But let’s face it...If Obama and Co. hoodwinks the public and gets elected..

Then I say, let’s restructure the democratic party...and get rid of the Warner’s and SPectors...and the rest who have played by the rules...while their opponents screwed them over...

We have alot of young good conservative repubs...Pawlenty, Kndal...Crist...Cotner...maybe even Palin...although I know she will fade into the sunset if she loses...as her love is her family and Alaska....

I’m done watching the day to day polls....I’m done reading the pundits....I’ve been long done listening to anyone sane on the democratic side... Alan Colmes is so deep into the talkng points of the democrats each night, that you can’t get a single solitary objective answer out of him...

He’s like a psychotic patient who repeats his social security number over and over again...as you put him into a straight jacket...

I had a bounce in my step when Palin was nominated...a bigger one...the night of her inaugeration speech.... and then again during the debates...

If any of you feel the same way I do...then let’s give this campaign 10% of our time and effort to help our side win..

nikos


23 posted on 10/04/2008 2:12:37 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Obama-Biden Where's the beef?)
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To: alloysteel

Dear Sarah,

It’s obvious that your partner is not going to go after this guy...And let’s face it... this is your shining moment, as I doubt you’ll ever resurface if your team loses...

So, please. Please for all of us here at FR who have pulled our hairs out, agoninizing over McCain’s passivity.

GO AFTER THESE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ask him about his foreign donors...his ties to radicals...his plan to increase our taxes...his association with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac...

Have someone ask you if you use an ear piece during debates. And then answer that you don’t, but you know that it’s used and you see nothing against it...

Tell the media about Obama’s tax returns...where he’s heavily invested in Oil companies who do business in Iran...

Have someone ask you about Obama’s birth certificate...PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And say that you’re SURE that the FBI has vetted ALL the candidates....

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE....!!!

If you’re in this to win...then let’s win...

nikos


24 posted on 10/04/2008 2:14:01 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Obama-Biden Where's the beef?)
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To: alloysteel

Dear Sarah,

It’s obvious that your partner is not going to go after this guy...And let’s face it... this is your shining moment, as I doubt you’ll ever resurface if your team loses...

So, please. Please for all of us here at FR who have pulled our hairs out, agoninizing over McCain’s passivity.

GO AFTER THESE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ask him about his foreign donors...his ties to radicals...his plan to increase our taxes...his association with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac...

Have someone ask you if you use an ear piece during debates. And then answer that you don’t, but you know that it’s used and you see nothing against it...

Tell the media about Obama’s tax returns...where he’s heavily invested in Oil companies who do business in Iran...

Have someone ask you about Obama’s birth certificate...PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And say that you’re SURE that the FBI has vetted ALL the candidates....

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE....!!!

If you’re in this to win...then let’s win...

nikos


25 posted on 10/04/2008 2:14:02 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Obama-Biden Where's the beef?)
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To: george76; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

Thanks geo.


26 posted on 10/04/2008 5:22:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: All
Here is the DNC Platform, which clearly supports the degenerate homos. They make no bones about the fact that they are going after DOMA and they are going to try to enact "Hate Speech" Laws.

We believe in the essential American ideal that we are not constrained by the circumstances of birth but can make of our lives what we will. Unfortunately, for too many, that ideal is not a reality. We have more work to do. Democrats will fight to end discrimination based on race, sex, ethnicity, national origin, language, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, age, and disability in every corner of our country, because that’s the America we believe in. 52 We all have to do our part to lift up this country, and that means changing hearts and changing minds, and making sure that every American is treated equally under the law. We will restore professionalism over partisanship at the Department of Justice, and staff the civil rights division with civil rights lawyers, not ideologues. We will restore vigorous federal enforcement of civil rights laws in order to provide every American an equal chance at employment, housing, health, contracts, and pay. We are committed to banning racial, ethnic, and religious profiling and requiring federal, state, and local enforcement agencies to take steps to eliminate the practice. We are committed to ensuring full equality for women: we reaffirm our support for the Equal Rights Amendment, recommit to enforcing Title IX, and will urge passage of the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women. We will pursue a unified foreign and domestic policy that promotes civil rights and human rights, for women and minorities, at home and abroad. We will pass the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act. We will restore and support the White House Initiative on Asian-American and Pacific Islanders, including enforcement on disaggregation of Census data. We will make the Census more culturally sensitive, including outreach, language assistance, and increased confidentiality protections to ensure accurate counting of the growing Latino and Asian American, and Pacific Islander populations, and continue working on efforts to be more inclusive. We will sign the U.N. Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities and restore the original intent of the Americans with Disabilities Act. That is the America we believe in. It is not enough to look back in wonder at how far we have come; those who came before us did not strike a blow against injustice only so that we would allow injustice to fester in our time. That means removing the barriers of prejudice and misunderstanding that still exist in America. We support the full inclusion of all families, including same-sex couples, in the life of our nation, and support equal responsibility, benefits, and protections. We will enact a comprehensive bipartisan employment non-discrimination act. We oppose the Defense of Marriage Act and all attempts to use this issue to divide us. But it is no good to be able to ride the bus when you can’t afford the bus fare. We will work to provide real opportunities for all Americans suffering from disadvantage; we will pioneer new policies and remedies against poverty and violence that address real human needs and we will close the achievement gap in education and provide every child a world-class education. We support affirmative action, including in federal contracting and higher education, to make sure that those locked out of the doors of opportunity will be able to walk through those doors in the future. As the late Ann Richards said, “We offer a vision where opportunity knows no race, no gender, no color, a glimpse of what can happen in government if we simply open the doors let the people in.”

The very fabric of our nation is on the line people.

27 posted on 10/05/2008 1:36:54 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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