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DNC steps in to silence lawsuit over Obama birth certificate
World Net Daily ^ | October 4, 2008 | Drew Zahn

Posted on 10/04/2008 9:16:33 AM PDT by Amityschild

The man suing Sen. Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee for proof of Obama's American citizenship is outraged that his own party – rather than just providing the birth certificate he seeks – would step in to silence him by filing a motion to dismiss his lawsuit.

As WND reported, prominent Pennsylvania Democrat and attorney Philip J. Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court two months ago claiming Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen and therefore not eligible to be elected president. Berg has since challenged Obama publicly that if the candidate will simply produce authorized proof of citizenship, he'll drop the suit.

Berg told WND the longer the DNC tries to ignore his lawsuit or make it go away – instead of just providing the documents – the more convinced he is that his accusations are correct.

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To: Candor7
The Electoral College will likely declare McCain President, if Obama is not a citizen.

Do you not know that Obama picks his own electors. They would probably vote for Mrs. Obama.

101 posted on 10/04/2008 10:07:11 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: rlferny; Mr Rogers

I stand corrected. Natural born would have to be American soil.


102 posted on 10/04/2008 10:08:28 AM PDT by I got the rope
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To: curling

“Obama loses his case in the courts, gets rejected, boards the executive helicopter, gives the “defiant fist” and SARAH takes over!!!”

It would indicate that God still blesses America in spite of what it really deserves.


103 posted on 10/04/2008 10:08:35 AM PDT by 353FMG (What marxism and fascism could not destroy, liberalism did.)
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To: Non-Sequitur; anniegetyourgun

Whose job is it to determine whether or not a candidate meets the constitutional test? FEC?

Nobody is tasked with that. There is no law requiring the candidates to show any documentation to any federal, state, or local agency.

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Courts are supposed to interpret the law, right? President enforces what the courts say?

8th grade civics is coming back to me...


104 posted on 10/04/2008 10:08:42 AM PDT by ROTB (Our Constitution [is] for a [Christian] people. It is wholly inadequate [for] any other. -John Adams)
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To: ROTB

Oh, C’mon.....
He’s a Dem lawyer. He can afford it,especially if he’s got friends with money. EVEY Dem has friends with money.
If he can make his case,money should be no object.


105 posted on 10/04/2008 10:09:05 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (Sarah...it's all up to you,girlfriend!)
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To: casinva
It sounds like a candidate does not have to PROVE citizenship. However, if someone else proves he is NOT a natural born citizen, does that count for disqualification?

I'm sure it would. Solid evidence proving Obama was not born in the U.S. would launch a Constitutional crisis the likes of which this country has never seen. But in the end I don't see any solution except Obama's removal from office. The Constitution is clear.

Also, per your thoughts, what standard of proof would it take someone else to prove his is not a natural born citizen to the point of disqualifying him for the Presidency?

A foreign birth certificate or similar documentation would do it I would think. So long as they were shown to be legitimate.

106 posted on 10/04/2008 10:09:25 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: rfreedom4u
then it is found out he is not eligible,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Opportunity_to_Govern_Amendment

107 posted on 10/04/2008 10:09:26 AM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: thefrankbaum
HOWEVER, before the Chief Justice of the SCOTUS can administer the oath of office, there must be some evidence required, musn’t there? How else do you comply with the Constitution?

Nope. Nothing in the law requires it.

108 posted on 10/04/2008 10:10:22 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Amityschild

This lawsuit is Berg vs Obama/DNC. Anything happens to Berg the lawsuit goes *poof*. I hope and pray he can stay “healthy” for the country’s sake. I would like to see the proof/truth he is after. It’s important.


109 posted on 10/04/2008 10:11:10 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life ;o)
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To: Candor7
I agree, if Obama won and it was proven to be that he was not qualified the election would have been invalid.

I, at first thought this lawsuit to be a joke, but the fact that Obama doesn't just produce what is necessary to end this, and to have ended it long ago, makes me believe Berg definitely is on to something.
110 posted on 10/04/2008 10:11:12 AM PDT by LegalEagle61 (If you are going to burn our flag, please make sure you are wearing it when you do!)
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To: gimme1ibertee

EVEY=every.
Damn big old fingers! :)


111 posted on 10/04/2008 10:11:38 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (Sarah...it's all up to you,girlfriend!)
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To: doug from upland

Hillary would probably be glad to give to this cause. 8^}


112 posted on 10/04/2008 10:12:13 AM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: ROTB
Courts are supposed to interpret the law, right? President enforces what the courts say?

Courts interpret the law, but other than upholding the law in his own actions the President isn't specifically tasked with enforcing the court's orders. Congress would be more involved in that, through legislation.

113 posted on 10/04/2008 10:12:46 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Obama’s removal from office........

It sounds like you feel it might take some time to get this all straightened out to the point of being able to disqualify him, commenting about removal from “office” instead of removal from the ballot.

Is that a fair observation?


114 posted on 10/04/2008 10:13:20 AM PDT by casinva
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To: 353FMG

“It would indicate that God still blesses America in spite of what it really deserves.”

Amen to THAT...especially the last part!


115 posted on 10/04/2008 10:13:31 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (Sarah...it's all up to you,girlfriend!)
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To: Amityschild
If they could have come up with it, they already would have done so and turned it into a huge "GOTCHA"!
116 posted on 10/04/2008 10:13:54 AM PDT by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: Amityschild
DNC rats are in deep doo-doo to CYA not vetting the Hussein-boy enough. He was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather Lolo Sotero and enrolled in a muslim school as an Idonesian citizen with his muslim's faith (religion)!

I got this e-mail from Philip Berg!!:

Hi Danamco,

The information below can be found in our Constitution. Quoting Danamco :

I found this on Free Republic, does this have any merit today? Poulus

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First, let me say I'm not a lawyer. Second, I found this blog interesting. See 5th para, "To be a ..." Food for thought I guess with the courts involved.

Mitchell Langbert's Blog

Monday, August 11, 2008 Definition of Natural Born Citizen [snip]

Benjamin then goes on to quote Supreme Court Justice Noah Haynes in United States v. Rhodes:

In United States v. Rhodes, Supreme Court Justice Noah Haynes Swayne (December 7, 1804 – June 8, 1884) addressed the issue as follows:

“All persons born in the Allegiance of the King are Natural- Born subjects, and all persons born in the Allegiance of the United States are Natural-Born Citizens. Birth and Allegiance go together. Such is the Rule of the Common Law, and it is the Common Law of this country…since as before the Revolution.”

Benjamin concludes:

"To be a Natural Born Citizen one has to be born in a State, or Condition of, Allegiance to the USA. A person with Dual Nationality due to having parents of differing Nationality, who both acknowledged the Birth, is not so born. Their Allegiance is, by definition, divided. Subsequent acquisition of Nationality produces the same problem."

Benjamin goes on to quote Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England:

"And this maxim of the law proceeded upon a general principle, that every man owes natural allegiance where he is born, and cannot owe two such allegiances, or serve two masters, at once.... To encourage also foreign commerce, it was enacted by statute 25 Edw. III. st. 2. that all children born abroad, provided both their parents were at the time of the birth in allegiance to the king, and the mother had passed the seas by her husbandÂ’s consent, might inherit as if born in England."

Benjamin also quote the US State Department:

"dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country"

He argues that: "The whole point of Article II is that the President must have absolute and total Allegiance to the United States of America and no Foreign Ruler or Government, Church, or Political Entity...The purpose behind the exclusion of Naturalized Citizens is that the President must never even have had such an Allegiance in the past"

[snip ends]

'Nuf said!!!

117 posted on 10/04/2008 10:14:09 AM PDT by danamco
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To: Frantzie

Hawaii has provided a real Certificate of Live Birth.

However, the lawsuit specifies that he wants the long-form (”vault copy” or “hospital copy”) released.


118 posted on 10/04/2008 10:14:17 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Amityschild

Maybe someone good at forging documents should gin up a birth certificate for O that lists his name as Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama....and then let them refute it by producing a real certificate (if they can)


119 posted on 10/04/2008 10:14:38 AM PDT by Bobalu (Obama cannot win without the kind of people that Palin appeals to.)
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To: Blue Turtle

“And with the war on terror...”

What terror? Oh, you mean the ROP, of which Bambi is a member.


120 posted on 10/04/2008 10:14:41 AM PDT by 353FMG (What marxism and fascism could not destroy, liberalism did.)
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To: snowsislander
We have a candidate who has now recently admitted that he was a Kenyan citizen (here at his campaign website); who has been challenged to prove that he is indeed eligible to serve as President of the United States, and he refuses to provide such evidence?

Incredible that there's no scrutiny by anyone of all this except by a handful of those willing to take the issue on.

121 posted on 10/04/2008 10:15:33 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Non-Sequitur

But the Constitution is law. Has the Court ruled it is not a self-executing provision?


122 posted on 10/04/2008 10:16:17 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: casinva
It sounds like you feel it might take some time to get this all straightened out to the point of being able to disqualify him, commenting about removal from “office” instead of removal from the ballot.

I have do idea how long it would take. If, for example, a legitimate birth certificate from a foreign country was produced then I don't think it would take much time at all. Obama's presidency ends immediately, and I would expect the courts would order that. The interesting question would be on the legality of any actions he took while holding the office of President. I suspect those would have to be voided.

123 posted on 10/04/2008 10:16:31 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Logical me
Just picked one up on Thursday needed to apply for SS retirement and it took me 15 min and $14.00.

Do they give them out in Africa?!?

124 posted on 10/04/2008 10:16:52 AM PDT by Calif4Bush (Proud Moosehead and citizen of the United Socialist States of America!!!)
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To: Amityschild

As much as I would love to be proven wrong, I don’t think that this dog is gonna hunt. You don’t think that Hillary would have outed him before the Convention if there was any way?


125 posted on 10/04/2008 10:17:36 AM PDT by NCjim (The more I use Windows, the more I love UNIX)
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To: tazannie
I don’t think he is ineligible. however, I do believe the birth certificate would show something really embarrassing, and might even be a deal changer for some people.

Agreed. I think he may have a legit b.c., but it probably lists his name Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama. He'll produce it AFTER the election, before the electors meet.

126 posted on 10/04/2008 10:17:38 AM PDT by TexasNative2000 (Obviously, liberals can't handle a strong, independent woman.)
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To: thefrankbaum
But the Constitution is law. Has the Court ruled it is not a self-executing provision?

I'm not sure exactly what you mean.

127 posted on 10/04/2008 10:18:06 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: I got the rope

Good point. It doesn’t matter where he was born. If his mother is American he is an American.

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Sorry, wrong.


128 posted on 10/04/2008 10:19:25 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: Gondring
However, the lawsuit specifies that he wants the long-form (”vault copy” or “hospital copy”) released

is there a picture or specification on what this looks like?

129 posted on 10/04/2008 10:20:25 AM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: saluki_in_ohio

Agreed. Try going through an international adoption with China. You can’t imagine the paperwork. As for the birth certificate for the adoption, it isn’t even sufficient to get it from the city of birth (which has it on file) but also the state’s vital records dept.


130 posted on 10/04/2008 10:20:38 AM PDT by cdga5for4
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To: doug from upland

Thanks for a rapid reply. I do sincerely wish you all success, but apparently it is possible to delay the whole thing to such an extent that it is all going to be yesterday’s news when it eventually reaches the courts.


131 posted on 10/04/2008 10:21:37 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
"And the DNC knows that very few in the USA will vote for someone with that name."

Not according to all the Obama bumber stickers I saw on the BMW SUV's, Saabs and other high-end vehicles at the local Whole Foods this morning.

I really have to wonder why anyone who made it wealthy in our formerly capitalist system is cheering on marxism do their own demise. I can only guess they've got theirs safely tucked away so they will end up on top of the head while the rest of us toil under the jackboot.

132 posted on 10/04/2008 10:23:18 AM PDT by marlon
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To: casinva

“It sounds like a candidate does not have to PROVE citizenship.”

Then why are these prerequisites in existence? Does this mean that Putin and Ahmedsoandso can be candidates for POTUS?


133 posted on 10/04/2008 10:23:38 AM PDT by 353FMG (What marxism and fascism could not destroy, liberalism did.)
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To: LegalEagle61

“I agree, if Obama won and it was proven to be that he was not qualified the election would have been invalid.” -———

Why would it invalidate the election? It would just invalidate the candidate, wouldn’t it? The voters who supported John McCain, a legitimate American citizen, would otherwise be invalidated.

I think John McCain, as the “runner-up” so to speak, would be declared President.


134 posted on 10/04/2008 10:23:39 AM PDT by border bud
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To: All
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen
135 posted on 10/04/2008 10:23:42 AM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: XR7

Yes! thank God! lets hope some 527’s get in here too


136 posted on 10/04/2008 10:23:44 AM PDT by wrhssaxensemble
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To: Non-Sequitur
Nobody is tasked with that. There is no law requiring the candidates to show any documentation to any federal, state, or local agency.

No security clearance is required either.

The assumption is that any or all disqualifications will come to light in the course of the campaign, through media scrutiny or opposition research.  Since the media has somewhat blatantly abdicated its role as a nonpartisan "voice of the people," the task now falls to the opposition party. Has the RNC done its homework? Or have they decided it might be racist to even raise such questions? Stay tuned.

137 posted on 10/04/2008 10:25:05 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: Amityschild
"The real outrage is that there's nothing in our system that provides that a candidate must provide that his qualifications are true and correct before he or she runs, and that safeguard should be put into our system by law," Berg said.

That is the biggest failing of the Legislators and the Courts. The Constitution has the specific requirements stipulated in black-and-white -- no gray area. The DNC has failed its oversight responsibilities to the People and the Party.

138 posted on 10/04/2008 10:26:12 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: border bud
think John McCain, as the “runner-up” so to speak, would be declared President.

Nope. Read the 20th Amendment, Section 3.

139 posted on 10/04/2008 10:27:57 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: I got the rope

If an American couple is on vacation in France, and the baby decides to arrive early, that child is an American citizen.


140 posted on 10/04/2008 10:28:40 AM PDT by doug from upland (8 million views of HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: ScaniaBoy

The one Obama showed on his web site was a crude fake. He supposedly got a copy from Hawaii office of birth records or whatever it is called. A document expert (or experts plural) got a real American born person in Hawaii to ask for a copy. The two were analyzed and Obama’s was a crude fake for a variety of reasons. A poor photoshop effort. No signature by a state official, no state stamp, lines did not line up and more. The analysis is on YouTube.

Now he is stuck and he will not turn over proof because he does not have any. People knew it was a fake but Mr. Berg wants to prove it in court.


141 posted on 10/04/2008 10:28:50 AM PDT by Frantzie
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To: All

BETWEEN THE ILLEGAL DONATIONS AND THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE ISSUE
MAYBE TIME TO FREEP THE FEC

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Fax 999 E Street, NW
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E-mail Washington, DC 20463
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142 posted on 10/04/2008 10:29:16 AM PDT by mouse1 (McCain Palin)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
And the DNC knows that very few in the USA will vote for someone with that name.

The sheeple already know the guy is named Barack Hussein Obama....and that isn't causing them problems.

Anymore....I think his name could be Barack Hussein Hitler Mohammed Al Bin McCain Palin Obama...and the sheeple will vote for him.

143 posted on 10/04/2008 10:29:29 AM PDT by Osage Orange (" I did not have radical relations with that man, William Ayers. " -Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: I got the rope

I was made to understand that “natural born American” means that both natural father and natural mother are American citizens at the moment of birth of the child regardless of where in the world they may reside. It is a matter of BOTH parents being American citizens at the time of birth.


144 posted on 10/04/2008 10:29:43 AM PDT by 353FMG (What marxism and fascism could not destroy, liberalism did.)
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To: ScaniaBoy

It is always old news as far as the MSM is concerned.


145 posted on 10/04/2008 10:30:24 AM PDT by doug from upland (8 million views of HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: browardchad
Has the RNC done its homework?

Has anyone? With all this talk about Obama's qualifications, not a single shred of evidence that he wasn't born in the U.S. has been produced. Shouldn't that mean something?

146 posted on 10/04/2008 10:30:39 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Draw an analogy to treaties - some are self-executing; whatever they provide is the law. No Act of Congress is necessary to enforce them. Some are merely grants of power - Congress can (after ratification) pass legislation to pursue the legitimate objectives of the treaty.

Consider Art. II. The Original Jurisdiction of the Supreme Court is self-executing. Congress can't touch it, it exists as of right. The Appellate Jurisdiction is able to be revoked by Congress. Thus, it is not self-executing.

Although, reading your other posts, you seem to think he has a cause of action, but there is no provision in the Constitution requiring an affirmative display of citizenship? If that is your contention, I may agree with you, although I think it is an open question on whether the Constitution does require that affirmative production. We don't know unless the SCOTUS rules on it.

147 posted on 10/04/2008 10:31:05 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: wrhssaxensemble

This will be a wonderful October suprise. Back to back commercials with Obama being asked to prove his citizenship & the Whitey tapes... music to my ears


148 posted on 10/04/2008 10:31:43 AM PDT by tuwood
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To: doug from upland

What do you base that on? I had a friend who was born in Nassau, his mother was Bahamian and his father was a US natural born citizen. He had dual citizenship until he turned 21 and at that point was supposed to declare one or the other. Don’t know if that is still the case. What were you basing your statement on?


149 posted on 10/04/2008 10:32:06 AM PDT by nobama08
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To: DRey

>>If it comes out after he’s elected that he was ineligible, he will be imprisoned (having illegally obtained classified information from the executive branch of our government) and anything he enacted would have to be removed.

Those are some powerful drugs you are on.


150 posted on 10/04/2008 10:32:58 AM PDT by vikingd00d (chown -R us ./base)
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