Skip to comments.DNC steps in to silence lawsuit over Obama birth certificate
Posted on 10/04/2008 9:16:33 AM PDT by Amityschild
The man suing Sen. Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee for proof of Obama's American citizenship is outraged that his own party rather than just providing the birth certificate he seeks would step in to silence him by filing a motion to dismiss his lawsuit.
As WND reported, prominent Pennsylvania Democrat and attorney Philip J. Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court two months ago claiming Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen and therefore not eligible to be elected president. Berg has since challenged Obama publicly that if the candidate will simply produce authorized proof of citizenship, he'll drop the suit.
Berg told WND the longer the DNC tries to ignore his lawsuit or make it go away instead of just providing the documents the more convinced he is that his accusations are correct.
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Do you not know that Obama picks his own electors. They would probably vote for Mrs. Obama.
I stand corrected. Natural born would have to be American soil.
“Obama loses his case in the courts, gets rejected, boards the executive helicopter, gives the defiant fist and SARAH takes over!!!”
It would indicate that God still blesses America in spite of what it really deserves.
Whose job is it to determine whether or not a candidate meets the constitutional test? FEC?
Nobody is tasked with that. There is no law requiring the candidates to show any documentation to any federal, state, or local agency.
Courts are supposed to interpret the law, right? President enforces what the courts say?
8th grade civics is coming back to me...
He’s a Dem lawyer. He can afford it,especially if he’s got friends with money. EVEY Dem has friends with money.
If he can make his case,money should be no object.
I'm sure it would. Solid evidence proving Obama was not born in the U.S. would launch a Constitutional crisis the likes of which this country has never seen. But in the end I don't see any solution except Obama's removal from office. The Constitution is clear.
Also, per your thoughts, what standard of proof would it take someone else to prove his is not a natural born citizen to the point of disqualifying him for the Presidency?
A foreign birth certificate or similar documentation would do it I would think. So long as they were shown to be legitimate.
Nope. Nothing in the law requires it.
This lawsuit is Berg vs Obama/DNC. Anything happens to Berg the lawsuit goes *poof*. I hope and pray he can stay “healthy” for the country’s sake. I would like to see the proof/truth he is after. It’s important.
Damn big old fingers! :)
Hillary would probably be glad to give to this cause. 8^}
Courts interpret the law, but other than upholding the law in his own actions the President isn't specifically tasked with enforcing the court's orders. Congress would be more involved in that, through legislation.
Obama’s removal from office........
It sounds like you feel it might take some time to get this all straightened out to the point of being able to disqualify him, commenting about removal from “office” instead of removal from the ballot.
Is that a fair observation?
“It would indicate that God still blesses America in spite of what it really deserves.”
Amen to THAT...especially the last part!
I got this e-mail from Philip Berg!!:
The information below can be found in our Constitution. Quoting Danamco :
I found this on Free Republic, does this have any merit today? Poulus
First, let me say I'm not a lawyer. Second, I found this blog interesting. See 5th para, "To be a ..." Food for thought I guess with the courts involved.
Mitchell Langbert's Blog
Monday, August 11, 2008 Definition of Natural Born Citizen [snip]
Benjamin then goes on to quote Supreme Court Justice Noah Haynes in United States v. Rhodes:
In United States v. Rhodes, Supreme Court Justice Noah Haynes Swayne (December 7, 1804 Â June 8, 1884) addressed the issue as follows:
ÂAll persons born in the Allegiance of the King are Natural- Born subjects, and all persons born in the Allegiance of the United States are Natural-Born Citizens. Birth and Allegiance go together. Such is the Rule of the Common Law, and it is the Common Law of this countryÂ since as before the Revolution.Â
"To be a Natural Born Citizen one has to be born in a State, or Condition of, Allegiance to the USA. A person with Dual Nationality due to having parents of differing Nationality, who both acknowledged the Birth, is not so born. Their Allegiance is, by definition, divided. Subsequent acquisition of Nationality produces the same problem."
Benjamin goes on to quote Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England:
"And this maxim of the law proceeded upon a general principle, that every man owes natural allegiance where he is born, and cannot owe two such allegiances, or serve two masters, at once.... To encourage also foreign commerce, it was enacted by statute 25 Edw. III. st. 2. that all children born abroad, provided both their parents were at the time of the birth in allegiance to the king, and the mother had passed the seas by her husbandÂs consent, might inherit as if born in England."
Benjamin also quote the US State Department:
"dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country"
He argues that: "The whole point of Article II is that the President must have absolute and total Allegiance to the United States of America and no Foreign Ruler or Government, Church, or Political Entity...The purpose behind the exclusion of Naturalized Citizens is that the President must never even have had such an Allegiance in the past"
Hawaii has provided a real Certificate of Live Birth.
However, the lawsuit specifies that he wants the long-form (”vault copy” or “hospital copy”) released.
Maybe someone good at forging documents should gin up a birth certificate for O that lists his name as Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama....and then let them refute it by producing a real certificate (if they can)
“And with the war on terror...”
What terror? Oh, you mean the ROP, of which Bambi is a member.
Incredible that there's no scrutiny by anyone of all this except by a handful of those willing to take the issue on.
But the Constitution is law. Has the Court ruled it is not a self-executing provision?
I have do idea how long it would take. If, for example, a legitimate birth certificate from a foreign country was produced then I don't think it would take much time at all. Obama's presidency ends immediately, and I would expect the courts would order that. The interesting question would be on the legality of any actions he took while holding the office of President. I suspect those would have to be voided.
Do they give them out in Africa?!?
As much as I would love to be proven wrong, I don’t think that this dog is gonna hunt. You don’t think that Hillary would have outed him before the Convention if there was any way?
Agreed. I think he may have a legit b.c., but it probably lists his name Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama. He'll produce it AFTER the election, before the electors meet.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean.
Good point. It doesnt matter where he was born. If his mother is American he is an American.
is there a picture or specification on what this looks like?
Agreed. Try going through an international adoption with China. You can’t imagine the paperwork. As for the birth certificate for the adoption, it isn’t even sufficient to get it from the city of birth (which has it on file) but also the state’s vital records dept.
Thanks for a rapid reply. I do sincerely wish you all success, but apparently it is possible to delay the whole thing to such an extent that it is all going to be yesterday’s news when it eventually reaches the courts.
Not according to all the Obama bumber stickers I saw on the BMW SUV's, Saabs and other high-end vehicles at the local Whole Foods this morning.
I really have to wonder why anyone who made it wealthy in our formerly capitalist system is cheering on marxism do their own demise. I can only guess they've got theirs safely tucked away so they will end up on top of the head while the rest of us toil under the jackboot.
“It sounds like a candidate does not have to PROVE citizenship.”
Then why are these prerequisites in existence? Does this mean that Putin and Ahmedsoandso can be candidates for POTUS?
“I agree, if Obama won and it was proven to be that he was not qualified the election would have been invalid.” -———
Why would it invalidate the election? It would just invalidate the candidate, wouldn’t it? The voters who supported John McCain, a legitimate American citizen, would otherwise be invalidated.
I think John McCain, as the “runner-up” so to speak, would be declared President.
Yes! thank God! lets hope some 527’s get in here too
No security clearance is required either.
The assumption is that any or all disqualifications will come to light in the course of the campaign, through media scrutiny or opposition research. Since the media has somewhat blatantly abdicated its role as a nonpartisan "voice of the people," the task now falls to the opposition party. Has the RNC done its homework? Or have they decided it might be racist to even raise such questions? Stay tuned.
That is the biggest failing of the Legislators and the Courts. The Constitution has the specific requirements stipulated in black-and-white -- no gray area. The DNC has failed its oversight responsibilities to the People and the Party.
Nope. Read the 20th Amendment, Section 3.
If an American couple is on vacation in France, and the baby decides to arrive early, that child is an American citizen.
The one Obama showed on his web site was a crude fake. He supposedly got a copy from Hawaii office of birth records or whatever it is called. A document expert (or experts plural) got a real American born person in Hawaii to ask for a copy. The two were analyzed and Obama’s was a crude fake for a variety of reasons. A poor photoshop effort. No signature by a state official, no state stamp, lines did not line up and more. The analysis is on YouTube.
Now he is stuck and he will not turn over proof because he does not have any. People knew it was a fake but Mr. Berg wants to prove it in court.
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The sheeple already know the guy is named Barack Hussein Obama....and that isn't causing them problems.
Anymore....I think his name could be Barack Hussein Hitler Mohammed Al Bin McCain Palin Obama...and the sheeple will vote for him.
I was made to understand that “natural born American” means that both natural father and natural mother are American citizens at the moment of birth of the child regardless of where in the world they may reside. It is a matter of BOTH parents being American citizens at the time of birth.
It is always old news as far as the MSM is concerned.
Has anyone? With all this talk about Obama's qualifications, not a single shred of evidence that he wasn't born in the U.S. has been produced. Shouldn't that mean something?
Consider Art. II. The Original Jurisdiction of the Supreme Court is self-executing. Congress can't touch it, it exists as of right. The Appellate Jurisdiction is able to be revoked by Congress. Thus, it is not self-executing.
Although, reading your other posts, you seem to think he has a cause of action, but there is no provision in the Constitution requiring an affirmative display of citizenship? If that is your contention, I may agree with you, although I think it is an open question on whether the Constitution does require that affirmative production. We don't know unless the SCOTUS rules on it.
This will be a wonderful October suprise. Back to back commercials with Obama being asked to prove his citizenship & the Whitey tapes... music to my ears
What do you base that on? I had a friend who was born in Nassau, his mother was Bahamian and his father was a US natural born citizen. He had dual citizenship until he turned 21 and at that point was supposed to declare one or the other. Don’t know if that is still the case. What were you basing your statement on?
>>If it comes out after he’s elected that he was ineligible, he will be imprisoned (having illegally obtained classified information from the executive branch of our government) and anything he enacted would have to be removed.
Those are some powerful drugs you are on.