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DNC steps in to silence lawsuit over Obama birth certificate
World Net Daily ^ | October 4, 2008 | Drew Zahn

Posted on 10/04/2008 9:16:33 AM PDT by Amityschild

The man suing Sen. Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee for proof of Obama's American citizenship is outraged that his own party – rather than just providing the birth certificate he seeks – would step in to silence him by filing a motion to dismiss his lawsuit.

As WND reported, prominent Pennsylvania Democrat and attorney Philip J. Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court two months ago claiming Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen and therefore not eligible to be elected president. Berg has since challenged Obama publicly that if the candidate will simply produce authorized proof of citizenship, he'll drop the suit.

Berg told WND the longer the DNC tries to ignore his lawsuit or make it go away – instead of just providing the documents – the more convinced he is that his accusations are correct.

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To: arrogantsob

Actually, McCain would get the Democrat nomination and someone like Chuck Baldwin can run against him. :)


501 posted on 10/06/2008 10:08:46 PM PDT by jddqr (Chuck Baldwin for President '08)
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To: Non-Sequitur

If he has one he will produce it and stop the nonsense.

Past presidents had two American parents traceable and verifiable along with his time and place of birth. This has never been an issue which does not mean, as you apparently believe, that it cannot be one.

Lincoln has about the most tenuous past of any president I am aware of yet his descent is verifiable.


502 posted on 10/06/2008 10:11:55 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: Non-Sequitur

And the procedure is simple. Provide a valid birth certificate to the Electoral College.


503 posted on 10/06/2008 10:13:11 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: Non-Sequitur

While the Courts might indeed be involved in this issue the final decision as to who is President is in the hands of the House no matter what the Courts say or don’t say. The Constitution does not say the decision goes to court if the Electoral College can’t decide but to the House. There is nothing doubtful about this.


504 posted on 10/06/2008 10:15:38 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: txflake

The House as constituted now.


505 posted on 10/06/2008 10:17:10 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: jddqr

Is Chuck one of Alex’s brothers?


506 posted on 10/06/2008 10:18:25 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: arrogantsob

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Baldwin


507 posted on 10/06/2008 10:20:27 PM PDT by jddqr (Chuck Baldwin for President '08)
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To: All
Do you really think Obama is that dumb to think he could get away with it if in fact he was not born in the US? This is just distracting us from the most important part is that we must keep on the offensive and not hope on hope that this will get thrown out somehow.
508 posted on 10/06/2008 10:27:54 PM PDT by Coffee_drinker (The best defense is a strong pre-emptive strike.)
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To: arrogantsob

Good point!


509 posted on 10/07/2008 1:55:55 AM PDT by VigilantAmerican (We will not waver, we will not tire; we will not falter, we will not fail)
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To: arrogantsob
If Zero’s votes are disqualified then McCain has 100% of the qualified electors and hence would be president.

Nonsense. The Constitution states that the winner must have a majority of the electoral votes cast. If McCain doesn't then in your scenario regardless of what happens to Obama the election would have to go to the House.

Your “expectation” may not be what the electors would do. They are free to anything they want.

But these are Democratic electors. They'll go for Biden before McCain.

510 posted on 10/07/2008 4:14:52 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: arrogantsob
If he has one he will produce it and stop the nonsense.

Why?

Past presidents had two American parents traceable and verifiable along with his time and place of birth. This has never been an issue which does not mean, as you apparently believe, that it cannot be one.

But they have never been required to produce proof. And I would point out that your claim that Obama's time and place of birth are verifiable would hold a lot more weight if you had any evidence to support your claim. Do you?

511 posted on 10/07/2008 4:16:47 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: arrogantsob
And the procedure is simple. Provide a valid birth certificate to the Electoral College.

And where is this procedure laid out? Or did you just make it up?

512 posted on 10/07/2008 4:17:32 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Coffee_drinker

Uh, Yes. He has gotten away with scam after scam, lunatic pastor, crooked friends, terrorist sponsors so why wouldn’t he. Even here we have people acting as though it does not matter if he is not eligible and there is no mechanism to use to show he is or is not.


513 posted on 10/07/2008 12:40:46 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Why?

There is a constitutional requirement that a president must satisfy.

All past presidents’ “proof” was their lives spent in open activity among people who knew them. Zero, on the other hand, has a life lived far from Americans for many years, with parentage not automatically conveying citizenship; a life charecterized by periods of unknown, hidden and covered up activity generally devoted to undermining our society and agrandizing himself. Without the obscurity and coverups this question would have never arrived. Then trying to palm off a fraudulent document to “prove” his case just adds fuel to the fire as do the lawyer-upping rather than just providing a legit document.

If his time and place are known and appropriate he certainly is giving his best imitation of one who cannot show that they allow him to be president. His grandmother in Kenya claims to have seen him being born in Kenya. If his time and place of birth are unverifiable he is not eligible to be President since our Constitution stipulates that natural citizenship is required. There is no “possibly” a natural citizen allowed.


514 posted on 10/07/2008 12:52:11 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Electors would not be cast for a unqualified candidate or accepted by the EC.

The constitution refers to a “majority of the electoral votes appointed...” and they are appointed by the States. So the decision first rests with the States. These are sent to the President of the Senate who opens them in front of the whole Congress. Now I would not assume that should Zero be disqualified that would mean the states would all just give them to Biden. Should they do so that opens up a whole can of worms wrt how to select a VP.

Electors are not “Democrat” or “Republican” they are completely free agents. How they would react to such a constitutional crisis as this would be is totally unpredictable.

I do agree this would end in the House should it transpire.


515 posted on 10/07/2008 1:03:19 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I just made it up.

But the Constitution will not be mocked and it has specific requirements to be president. It there is a question it cannot be just swept under the rug and pretend that the question is impossible to answer because it never had to be asked before. Just more “change”, eh?


516 posted on 10/07/2008 1:06:11 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: arrogantsob
Electors would not be cast for a unqualified candidate or accepted by the EC.

Based on what?

Now I would not assume that should Zero be disqualified that would mean the states would all just give them to Biden.

What makes you think they would go to McCain?

Electors are not “Democrat” or “Republican” they are completely free agents.

No they are not. Each party selects its slate of electors, and if the majority of the people in the state vote for their candidate then that't the slate that casts their voted in the Electoral College. They are very much partiasan selections.

517 posted on 10/07/2008 1:26:38 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: arrogantsob
There is a constitutional requirement that a president must satisfy.

No arguement there. The question is how this is satisfied. Making up requirements for Obama that not a single prior presidential candidate has had to meet isn't the way to do it. Perhaps out of this will come procedures that future presidential candidates have to meet, perhaps not. But changing the rules for Obama mid campaign, and basing your requirement on stories without any evidence backing them up is not legal. Until that changes you're just going to have to keep on digging.

518 posted on 10/07/2008 1:31:04 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Electors are bound by the Constitution’s requirements for the presidency. Theoretically they cannot legally even cast a ballot for one who is ineligible. Such a ballot would be illegal on its face. I could not have a vote counted for Mickey Mouse either.

One possibility is that McCain’s bipartisianship would induce some elector/states to give him the presidency and leave Biden as VP. That is almost as likely as any other outcome. It would give a great deal of cover for a party which had nominated a non-citizen and facing destruction. Should the Democrats have actually done that it would be an incredible event, unparalleled in our history.

There is no requirement that any Elector cast his ballot a certain way no matter what partisianship went into his election. Should they all become righteous and vote for McCain there would not be a damned thing that could be done about it.


519 posted on 10/07/2008 2:45:25 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Having proof of citizenship is not a new requirement that Obama must meet. All presidents met it and all future presidents must. There are legal procedures in place for proving citizenship if there is a need to do so. Nothing new or onerous is being asked of Zero. No rules are being changed and the actual rule, that a president must be a natural born citizen to qualify, will not be WAIVED for Zero as so many have been.


520 posted on 10/07/2008 2:51:17 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: arrogantsob
Theoretically they cannot legally even cast a ballot for one who is ineligible.

Says who?

One possibility is that McCain’s bipartisianship would induce some elector/states to give him the presidency and leave Biden as VP.

Possibility? Beyond the realm of possibility you mean.

521 posted on 10/07/2008 4:54:18 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: arrogantsob
All presidents met it and all future presidents must.

And how did they meet these requirements?

There are legal procedures in place for proving citizenship if there is a need to do so.

And what is the procedure in this case? What law outlines it?

No rules are being changed and the actual rule, that a president must be a natural born citizen to qualify, will not be WAIVED for Zero as so many have been.

Obama maintains that he is a natural born U.S. citizen, and nothing you've come up with proves otherwise.

522 posted on 10/07/2008 4:56:46 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Electoral votes can be given only to candidates who are eligible for the Presidency. Any other votes are null and void as per the Constitution.

As to what a Democrat party caught in a fraud of gigantic proportions would do is unknown to you or I.


523 posted on 10/07/2008 6:59:17 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: Non-Sequitur

There were no questions about the citizenship of prior presidents.  So they met the requirement by being people whose past was well known.  They did not have to prove they were human either but that doesn’t mean a LIZARD can be president because no other species had to prove they were human.There need be no special procedure to prove one a citizen to satisfy the Constitution demands for the Presidency.  A simple valid Birth certificate does it.  Not a problem for one who HAS one.I have not said that Zero is not a citizen merely expressed great wonder that he has responded with a fraudulent document.  He didn’t ignore the question he LIED.  That means nothing to you?


524 posted on 10/07/2008 7:06:23 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: arrogantsob

He ‘does not follow’, literally.


525 posted on 10/07/2008 7:10:25 PM PDT by txhurl (Palin/McCain)
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To: arrogantsob
There need be no special procedure to prove one a citizen to satisfy the Constitution demands for the Presidency.

If there need be no procedure then how about the same method the other candidates used? Obama said he was born in Hawaii, so accept it at face value. You don't think he was? Prove it.

He didn’t ignore the question he LIED. That means nothing to you?

If you get upset every time a politician lies to you then you must lead a sad and disappointed life.

526 posted on 10/08/2008 5:27:16 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: arrogantsob
Electoral votes can be given only to candidates who are eligible for the Presidency. Any other votes are null and void as per the Constitution.

And where does it say that?

527 posted on 10/08/2008 5:29:07 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama was born: August 4, 1961 (1961-08-04) (age 47) Honolulu, Hawaii, U.S.A. He was what the illegal aliens call “anchor babies.” He was a dual citizen, as his father was a citizen of Nyang’oma Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya. [My daughter was a dual citizen of Britain and America because she was born in Scotland to an American Citizen living abroad, and a British citizen. She normally would have been a dual citizen until age 18, but since she moved to the US and did not return within the legal required period, she lost her dual-citizenship. Even though she was the daughter of a British citizen, she could no longer claim dual citizenship.] He emigrated to Indonesia when he was 5, and did not return until several years later, bringing his actual citizenship into question, because he spent the majority of his youth outside the country.

“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at (or after) the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

One cannot be eligible, therefore cannot receive votes, if not a natural born citizen.


528 posted on 10/11/2008 3:31:02 AM PDT by Davjohn
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To: Davjohn
He was what the illegal aliens call “anchor babies.”

That would be incorrect since one of his parents was a U.S. citizen.

He emigrated to Indonesia when he was 5, and did not return until several years later, bringing his actual citizenship into question, because he spent the majority of his youth outside the country.

That would be incorrect, too. For people born in the U.S., citizenship is a birthright and cannot not be given up for you. You must do that yourself. Even had Obama's mother gotten Indonesian citizenship for him, for him to lose his U.S. citizenship he would have had to perform an expatriating act once he became an adult. And rather than spending the majority of his youth outside the U.S. he only spent 4 years - 1967 to 1971 - living abroad.

One cannot be eligible, therefore cannot receive votes, if not a natural born citizen.

And if Obama was born in Hawaii then he is a natural born U.S. citizen and Constitutionally qualified to be president.

529 posted on 10/11/2008 4:24:45 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

The lawsuit is to prove he is eligible by obtaining a valid document from Hawaii. That is easily accomplished if shuch a document exists.

So why has he lied about it and committed fraud by posting a fraudulent document? It was a conscious act.

There is only one answer to this other than sheer incompetence. Any eligible candidate challenged as to citizenship would just show the birth certificate rather than obscure, deny, and resort to legal pettifoggery. Hence, the evidence that no such document exist grows.

Lying to ontain a federal document is a felony.

You’re arguing like the Neo-Confederates.


530 posted on 10/11/2008 10:00:03 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Votes for any not consitutionally eligible would not be valid or counted. They are forbidden by the nature of the Constitutional stipulation of prerequesites. Votes must go to eligible candidates to be valid. Otherwise you could have the situation where an ineligible person is put in the Office contrary to the Constitution. Without an amendment this is impossible.


531 posted on 10/11/2008 10:06:44 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: arrogantsob
Votes for any not consitutionally eligible would not be valid or counted.

Says who?

Votes must go to eligible candidates to be valid. Otherwise you could have the situation where an ineligible person is put in the Office contrary to the Constitution.

Complete nonsense. Nothing in the Constitution requires that. The Electoral College can elect anyone it wants. If the entire electoral college voted for Micky Mouse for President then Micky Mouse would be the winner. But of course Micky Mouse could not become president since he does not meet the requirements. So the presidential secession laws would kick in.

It is no different than the 2000 Missouri Senate election. Mel Carnahan, the Democratic challenger, was killed in a plane crash less than 4 weeks before the election. Due to state election laws his name could not be removed from the ballot. Come election day a dead Carnahan beat a live Ashcroft by almost 50,000 votes. In your scenario all those votes should have been disqualified and Ashcroft the loser named the winner. But instead the wished of the majority of the voters were respected and Carnahan was certified as the winner. Since Carnahan couldn't serve, being dead and all, the seat was declared vacant and the process for filling it kicked in; the governor named a replacement and a special election was held two years later. It would be the same with Obama. If he gets a majority of the electoral votes and is declared ineligible the day after the election, those votes would almost certainly remain in his name. Then the 20th Amendment would kick in and he would be replaced, probably by Biden. In any case the loser would not magically become the winner.

532 posted on 10/12/2008 5:49:28 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

No the Electoral College cannot elect anyone it wants. It can ONLY elect qualified candidates. Maybe you have the US Constitution confused with the DNC wish list.

Missouri Senatoral shenannigans have nothing to do with a Presidential race. There is no Electoral College with Senatoral races.

Obama could be elected while dead but not if he does not mmet Constitutional requirements. You are not reading the 20th amendment correctly.


533 posted on 10/13/2008 12:43:52 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: Amityschild

News Update:
RUSH IS DISCUSSING THE Mysterious BIRTH CERTIFICATE issue right now.

Kenya, Berg, granny, dual-citizenship, etc. all mentioned.

Cats out of the bag.........


534 posted on 10/23/2008 9:32:59 AM PDT by Gemsbok (Fight voter FRAUD (Acorn)(Obama) and be a poll worker or observer: Beat them at their own game!)
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