They didn't find much in his grave apart from a few bits of brass and cloth, but they've scraped out what was in his coffin regardless. Still, this was a rather peculiar thing to do. Screw the fact it was his dying wish to be buried next to his friend. Can anyone explain to me how it is justified to violate a man's last will and testament like this for the sake of making him an idolatrous object of veneration?
"...his dying wish to be buried next to his friend..."
Minor point but, the article reads...
"...Cardinal Newman's dying wish that he be buried with his closest friend..."
Not that there's anything wrong with that!
posted on 10/04/2008 6:13:02 PM PDT
(Life, Liberty and the pursuit of all who threaten either.)
It was Cardinal Newman's dying wish that he be buried with his closest friend
The idea that he wanted to be buried with his "friend" is creepy.
posted on 10/04/2008 6:14:19 PM PDT
Martin Prendergast, a homosexual campaigner in the Catholic Church, claimed the Cardinal's relationship had caused misgivings in the Vatican and slowed his path to beatification. "I don't think they can just pretend the relationship didn't exist," he said.
"We shouldn't be afraid of acknowledging that he had his trials and torments yet was able to deal with these in a positive manner, without compromising his commitment to celibacy."
This sinner does not speak for my Church, nor for Cardinal Newman.
posted on 10/04/2008 6:15:59 PM PDT
("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish." --Mother Theresa)
“making him an idolatrous object of veneration”
I’ve never looked at the practice like that before, but thinking about it now...
posted on 10/04/2008 6:17:08 PM PDT
(Bitter backwoods east Texan Christian gun clinger with the AC at 72 degrees.)
1. The Tablet is a notoriously left-wing "Catholic" paper, in fact it's almost an anti-Catholic paper.
2. The BBC reported that Cardinal Newman's body was not found. That makes it sound like somebody stole it -- but a wooden coffin in damp ground is not going to impeded total decomposition. Nothing about 'scraped out what was in his coffin regardless', unless you simply mean the bits of wood & coffin plate remaining from his coffin. Source?
3. Exhumation is S.O.P. when a cause for sainthood is pending. Certain phenomena such as incorruptible corpses, odor of sanctity, inexplicable preservation of parts of the body (e.g. St. Anthony of Padua's tongue), are observed in the case of some saints.
4. Since they didn't find his body, he wasn't moved, so he got his wish after all.
5. Preservation of the relics of a saint is not idolatrous. Nobody's worshipping the saint's mortal remains! I know plenty of folks find it odd (it's more common in Latin than Northern European countries, but then again Germany has the astounding spectacle of the bejeweled skeleton of St. Munditia, Virgin Martyr, in the Peterskirche.)
posted on 10/04/2008 6:25:24 PM PDT
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posted on 10/04/2008 6:25:27 PM PDT
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There’s something wrong with honorable friendship? I suggest that you read Aristotle and Cicero on the subject.
De Amicitia was especially influential.
posted on 10/04/2008 6:35:31 PM PDT
“Can anyone explain to me how it is justified to violate a man’s last will and testament like this for the sake of making him an idolatrous object of veneration?”
Since venerating the saints is not idolatrous, your question is based on a false premise. Try again, this time maybe with a little more respect for the dead as well as for Christianity.
posted on 10/04/2008 6:40:19 PM PDT
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posted on 10/04/2008 7:14:43 PM PDT
(Obama and Osama both have friends who bombed the Pentagon.)
I have a general question.
Are Catholics and the Catholic Church itself placing any value on relics today? (My Catholic school nuns and Catholic relatives were when I was a child.)
If the Catholic Church does believe that relics have spiritual potency could someone explain the reasoning behind this belief?
posted on 10/05/2008 7:12:12 AM PDT
(Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
“an idolatrous object of veneration”
I am hearily sick of these constant attacks from the ignorant theological left. Therefore, from now on, I shall respond to them in a manner befitting their utter lack of merit.
I shall respond to all such malign, boneheaded sallies from the theological left (protestants) by asserting, “All protestants, each and every one of them, bugger a little boy every day.”
That will be as true, as charitable, and as honest as the statements to which it responds.
posted on 10/05/2008 7:37:53 AM PDT
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