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Frank talk of Obama and race in Virginia
LA Times ^ | Oct 5, 2008 | Peter Wallsten

Posted on 10/05/2008 7:14:35 AM PDT by pennboricua

WHITEWOOD, VA. -- The isolated towns of Virginia's Appalachian coal region are home to strong labor unions and Democratic political machines that date back generations. Yet voters here who eagerly pushed Democrats into the Senate and the governor's office are resisting Barack Obama.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2008; appalachianvote; appalacia; banglist; bitter; coal; mccain; obama; ruralvote; smalltown; va2008
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Bitter holding on to their guns and religion, and possibly high regards of the good old USA.
1 posted on 10/05/2008 7:14:35 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: pennboricua

I live near that area, and there are NO large signs for 0bama as there were for Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 04. By looking around one would think that the only democrats running this year are Warner and our congressman Boucher. The only 0bama signs that I’ve seen are the small yard signs, and they are few and far in between.


2 posted on 10/05/2008 7:19:08 AM PDT by KoRn ("Change": Come Help A Nitwit Get Elected)
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To: pennboricua

Okay, so now it seems if you are not going to vote for Obama, you are a poor, racist yokel who just needs to be enlightened. What a load.


3 posted on 10/05/2008 7:22:53 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours.)
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To: KoRn

I live in western Pa and in this bastion of Democrat rule including the home of our military hating Murtha I concur, not too many Obama signs.


4 posted on 10/05/2008 7:23:37 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: KoRn

I forgot about Boucher, he’s still around? How are he and the boyfriend doing?


5 posted on 10/05/2008 7:23:45 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: KoRn

someone did hire a plane or used his own to pull an Obama banner over Virginia Tech Saturday. He was up there for hours and had to have spend close to a grand in fuel.


6 posted on 10/05/2008 7:25:49 AM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: pennboricua

Not 1 in 5 dems here are going to vote for Obama, but he’s winning VA by 10. I call BS.


7 posted on 10/05/2008 7:25:50 AM PDT by Betty Jane
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To: 3AngelaD

Look up the word ignorant then look in the mirror!


8 posted on 10/05/2008 7:27:23 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: pennboricua

LAT: Either you vote for Obama or you’re a racist.

I think this argument is going to backfire somewhat, and not necessarily in Appalachia. It may be difficult for the average lefty to figure out, but many middle class, professional, educated Caucasian suburbanites are sick and tired of hearing about how white racism is holding back the progress of “minorities.”

As anyone with half a brain knows (apparently many libs have less), if members of a racial minority cannot succeed in a professional environment today, it’s due first and foremost to their efforts. Individuals are judged now on their performance, not their race. How does that not extend to the presidency of the United States?

Caucasians have to be careful not to say or do anything that could be considered in the least bit way to offend a member of a “minority” group.

My guess is that there are many whites who pretend to be interested in and/or support Obama simply because of this. In some workplaces and ‘circle of friends’, supporting McCain is seen as a tacit self-revelation of being a racist.

Of course, it all gets back to what you believe when you enter the voting booth.


9 posted on 10/05/2008 7:28:17 AM PDT by Harry Wurzbach (Rep. Thaddeus McCotter is my hero.)
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To: ClayinVA
"someone did hire a plane or used his own to pull an Obama banner over Virginia Tech Saturday."

And no one there had a Stinger Missile? Disappointing.

10 posted on 10/05/2008 7:31:13 AM PDT by KoRn ("Change": Come Help A Nitwit Get Elected)
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To: pennboricua

And yet the pollsters tell us the Obamanation is winning in a walk. I’ve the feeling that after the election results come in next month, pollsters and the media are...oh, who the hell am I kidding? They’re not going to learn a damned thing.


11 posted on 10/05/2008 7:35:10 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: KoRn

My thiking is if there is NO sign in a yard, they are McCain/Palin supporters. We only have two Obama signs in our neighborhood. We have to remember that Obama told his followers to “get in you neighbors’ faces” so folks who are for McCain/Palin feel like they would be in line for property damage if they put up a sign for McCain or Palin!


12 posted on 10/05/2008 7:36:02 AM PDT by seekthetruth
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To: KoRn

Is it really about race?

Or is that a convenient canard for the fact that a lot of people do not like egotistical politicians whose ideas about change are really just a socialist rerun!


13 posted on 10/05/2008 7:37:30 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: seekthetruth
I'm noticing the same thing,i.e. signs are there for the local and state Democrats but no Obama signs.

I have to wonder if most non-blacks aren't just keeping quiet until the voting booth.I have noticed too many racist Obama supporters;but many of them have been told for generations that they are too dumb to make it without preferential hiring quotas, and now they seem determined to prove it by voting for a Marxist .There might be a lot fewer straight ticket ballots this election,I think.

14 posted on 10/05/2008 7:46:13 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: pennboricua

I went to a festival yesterday in Charlottesville, Va(extremely leftist area) and there were few BO signs. We go to this festival every year and in 2000 there were loads of Gore signs and in ‘04 loads of Kerry signs. McCain signs beat BO by 2-1. Good news, I think.


15 posted on 10/05/2008 7:47:50 AM PDT by albie
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To: Harry Wurzbach
Individuals are judged now on their performance, not their race.

Certainly not true in Federal employment. I've heard from friends that it's not true in some private employment.

16 posted on 10/05/2008 7:49:14 AM PDT by Stentor (Obama is Bill Ayers' Renfield.)
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To: SatinDoll

"Is it really about race?

Or is that a convenient canard for the fact that a lot of people do not like egotistical politicians whose ideas about change are really just a socialist rerun!"

I'm sure for a few people it IS about race, but those people are a minority. I think what makes 0bama undesirable for most folks around here is his far left wing liberalism/socialism.

Race, as you said, is just a convenient way to explain away the people's rejection of 0bama's ideals...."It couldn't be his liberalism that people don't like, it has to be his race."

17 posted on 10/05/2008 7:49:51 AM PDT by KoRn ("Change": Come Help A Nitwit Get Elected)
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To: hoosierham

I’m in Illinois and a few days ago there were a whole long line of Dem. signs with Obama among them. A day later all were still there, except Obama.....he went missing. ha!


18 posted on 10/05/2008 7:50:52 AM PDT by GrannyK
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To: hoosierham

I’m in Illinois and a few days ago there were a whole long line of Dem. signs with Obama among them. A day later all were still there, except Obama.....he went missing. ha!


19 posted on 10/05/2008 7:51:34 AM PDT by GrannyK
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To: GrannyK

Oops! Sorry about the double entry.


20 posted on 10/05/2008 7:52:11 AM PDT by GrannyK
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To: pennboricua

What kind of trash shows up with political signs at a church? These obama supporters are freaks. I’d tell the bitoch to get that garbage out of my face and out of church.


21 posted on 10/05/2008 7:53:25 AM PDT by boycott
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To: pennboricua

This article made me believe that I might be a “poor black child born in Mississippi.”


22 posted on 10/05/2008 7:54:44 AM PDT by boycott
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To: KoRn

The thing about folks in Appalachia is that they will respect a man, even though they might not call him by a polite name for what he does and can do. A competent black electrician, for example, will be hired even if he isn’t the object of politically correct posturing. So a black candidate who only talks and doesn’t do anything well but talk is not going to be the object of a large vote across racial lines. Doug Wilder was elected because he showed an ability to do things other than talk.


23 posted on 10/05/2008 8:03:31 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: GrannyK

Do you suppose the loyal Party workers put out all the signs as ordered but the residents later did some need yard work?


24 posted on 10/05/2008 8:03:40 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: boycott

me too it made me feel like “The Jerk”


25 posted on 10/05/2008 8:07:27 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: MSF BU

Boucher got married a couple of years ago.


26 posted on 10/05/2008 8:18:00 AM PDT by Library Lady
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To: pennboricua
I am bitterly clinging to my guns and religion. And I see this type or article as incredibly destructive.

Whatever the intent, articles like this will make a confirm in the minds of many that a Republican victory is invalid. It's exactly what Gore, The Dims, and the MSM did in 2000.

In the connection it's interesting how the use of "swiftboating" as a pejorative is based on the supposition that the charges of the swiftboaters were shown to be false. As far as I know, that has not been proved, but there are a lot of dims out there who are absolutely sure that we won in 2004 because we lied successfully.

Thinking this kind of thing gives them a way to avoid thinking about the reality of the political complexion of the country, stokes their anger and resentment, and to some degree weakens the ability to govern of whoever wins.

I read that while there was good evidence that the Dim machine in Chicago cheated wildly in 1960, Nixon decided not to contest the election on the grounds that casting such doubts as wuld inevitably arise from doing so would have a bad effect on the nation. So tricky Dick cared more about the US than Al Gore or, now, the Dims in general.

27 posted on 10/05/2008 8:36:57 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: pennboricua

I think you need to reread 3AngelaD’s comment.


28 posted on 10/05/2008 8:47:50 AM PDT by AdvisorB (Baraq is the Arabic name of the winged horse that took mohammed to paradise from the DomeoftheRock)
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To: Mr.Smorch

I reread it and agree we are also all ignorant for not realizing how racist we are for not accepting obama.
we do in fact have to look in the mirror, according to the article.


29 posted on 10/05/2008 8:52:24 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: KoRn

Yep it is the same here in Chester VA. The only place I see Obama signs is closer to Richmond city limits. I’ve seen some lone Warner signs but McCain/Palin signs are popping up everywhere. There are more this year than I saw Bush/Cheney in 2004. I finally got my Mark Warner lied Bumper sticker. Northern VA always worries me but McCain is going to do just fine in the rest of the state.


30 posted on 10/05/2008 9:01:12 AM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
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To: pennboricua

This thread is just dripping with sarcasm...and alas, I’m the last to figure it out.


31 posted on 10/05/2008 9:04:49 AM PDT by AdvisorB (Baraq is the Arabic name of the winged horse that took mohammed to paradise from the DomeoftheRock)
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To: KoRn
I'm sure for a few people it IS about race, but those people are a minority....

We all like to say things like that, since it makes us sound all educated and progressive in a safe manner, but I think the truth is going to be hard to hide, especially in areas long considered really liberal. The Deep South already went thru it's era of racial turmoil, but I think you'll find more than a few pockets of white resentment at the results of court activism on racial quotas and affirmative action rulings as well as perceptions on reverse affirmative action.

The NORTH is still in a place of racial tension and I'll bet that white backlash comes to the forefront in the privacy of the voting booth. This really isn't so much about color as it is about entitlement backlash. Unfortunately, in the minds of many, that equivocates the issue to a "black thing." I'm not certain that is correct. But I seem to be immersed in the entire issue all day during my work hours since I teach deep in an inner city public high school. So I see this thing from the inside out and that might ummmmm (forgive me) "color" my perspectives a little bit.

32 posted on 10/05/2008 9:07:16 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Maelstorm
I recently drove up through the Tidewater area,crossing the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel and up into Cape May County, NJ., and saw many big blue Warner signs, but nothing for fauxbama.

Interestingly enough, I didn't see any fauxbama bumper stickers on any car bumpers either.

33 posted on 10/05/2008 9:08:36 AM PDT by AdvisorB (Baraq is the Arabic name of the winged horse that took mohammed to paradise from the DomeoftheRock)
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To: ExSoldier

I’m very confident that today there is more racism on the part of black people than with whites by far.

0bama will get 90% of the black vote. That IS racism, and no one says a word about it. The media acts as if this is a natural thing and ignores it.

If McCain were to get 90% of the white vote, what do you think the media would say?


34 posted on 10/05/2008 9:14:34 AM PDT by KoRn ("Change": Come Help A Nitwit Get Elected)
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To: pennboricua
Keep in mind that this effort in Va. is failing in the face of intense one on one campaigning. The “bitter clingers” aint buying the Black marxist with the Muslim name.
35 posted on 10/05/2008 9:50:44 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Library Lady

Jim McGreevy was married too. As a matter of fact:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03172008/news/regionalnews/i_was_mcg_and_wifes_three_way_sex_stud___102326.htm


36 posted on 10/05/2008 9:54:10 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: jmaroneps37

I hope you’re right and I hope that quote about clinging to guns and religion is repeated often on the air in Roanoke, Lynchburg and points south and west. For that matter, run it our of Wheeling WV and everybody in Appalachia will hear it over and over again.


37 posted on 10/05/2008 9:55:50 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: MSF BU

Clinging too tightly to your gun tends to cause your shot to go off target.

Hold it firmly, but with a soft touch on the trigger. 8^)


38 posted on 10/05/2008 9:58:50 AM PDT by airborne (Don't pray that God is on your side. Instead, pray that you are on God's side!)
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To: airborne

“A Christian who believes in Jesus Christ”

Give me a break His pastor never talks about Jesus, he’s to busy spewing hate from the pulpit!


39 posted on 10/05/2008 11:05:43 AM PDT by mikebeam (God Bless America)
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To: hoosierham

You are spot on, as far as I am concerned. I don’t think the property owner wanted to be seen as an Obama supporter. I am guessing a lot of Southern Illinois Democrats do NOT plan to vote for him. (I sure hope I am guessing right.)


40 posted on 10/05/2008 11:30:16 AM PDT by GrannyK
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To: KoRn

ammo is too expensive to waste, plus you might need it later. 500 rounds of 223 was going for $179.00 at the gun show yesterday. For some reason, Obama didn’t have a booth.


41 posted on 10/05/2008 11:36:31 AM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: KoRn

Out of range. I am near Richmond. We got “plugs” Biden to stay away though.


42 posted on 10/05/2008 1:39:53 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: MSF BU

“I forgot about Boucher, he’s still around? How are he and the boyfriend doing?”

So what, did you just have sudden need to call somebody a faggot? Boucher is married. To a woman. Just another ignorant comment.


43 posted on 10/05/2008 4:00:44 PM PDT by gracesdad
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To: Mr.Smorch

“I recently drove up through the Tidewater area,crossing the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel and up into Cape May County, NJ., and saw many big blue Warner signs, but nothing for fauxbama.”

I live in Tidewater area and I must say there are very few Obama signs. There are tons of McCain signs and I have only seen 3 yard signs for Obama so far. Something is happening on the ground that the polls are not showing. I have seen more support around here then I saw for Bush in 2000 or 04


44 posted on 10/05/2008 4:02:34 PM PDT by TwS88 (McCain/Palin 08!)
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To: KoRn
The funny thing is this: I have been a teacher for about 20 years and spent the last twelve split between two inner city schools. I have never once felt that my students disliked me on the basis of race. Many dislike me because I'm what they consider to be a tough and demanding teacher but just as many are extremely proud to brag about an "A" earned in one of my classes. I have seen other personnel including administrators, cafeteria staff, security personnel and even other teachers avoid me or speak to me as if race is on their mind. To this day, one of the security guards in the parking lot of my current school has never once looked in my direction, or responded to a cheery Good Morning! from me. Nothing. In the case of a very few teachers, the hatred is palpable and just rolls off them in waves. Part of that is definitely a conservative/liberal backlash in my direction. Far from being a depressing situation, I usually just laugh and try to kill 'em with kindness. I find it really rankles them when the target fails to sink to their own slimy levels. However, I'm pretty certain I may take the day after election day off, if there is a McCain win. Not so much due to any problems at the school, but the neighborhood is liable to be really a lot more dangerous than normal. I'll also take off my McCain stickers and resume my under-the-radar-life.
45 posted on 10/05/2008 4:03:09 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: TwS88
I spent some time in Norfolk and Virginia Beach on my way up to New Jersey, and I was amazed at the dearth of Obama signs, stickers, etc.

Do you get the feeling that the race in Virginia is not as close as the pundits and pollsters are making it out to be?

46 posted on 10/05/2008 6:10:51 PM PDT by AdvisorB (Baraq is the Arabic name of the winged horse that took mohammed to paradise from the DomeoftheRock)
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To: pennboricua

This is EXACTLY why Fauxbama is losing this election folks, the battleground is the rust belt, I dont’ care what the polls are saying, Fauxbama is going to lose PA, and likely 1 or 2 more of the previous D rust belt states.


47 posted on 10/05/2008 6:16:24 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Mr.Smorch

I believe the polls in VA are way off. I was in VA beach yesterday and I did not see one Obama sign. I saw tons of McCain signs.

I live in Chesapeake and Just around my neighborhood I lost count of the number of McCain/Palin signs. Some streets have a McCain/Palin yard sign almost at every house. The total number of Obama signs I have seen around the neighborhood is at 3. I saw more Gore and Kerry signs in the past.


48 posted on 10/05/2008 8:15:11 PM PDT by TwS88 (McCain/Palin 08!)
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To: ExSoldier

Yes, and MANY of these folks are the “college educated” demographic that the democrats supposedly have an edge in; they are precisely the ones that make that edge so.


49 posted on 10/06/2008 6:08:21 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: gracesdad

Yes, I’ve heard about the beard errrr, ‘wife’, relatively recent and VERY late in life. Boucher’s status is as well known in DC as the former governor of New Jersey’s was in the state capitol and especially among his police staff. The only difference between the two is that nobody has bothered to out Boucher.


50 posted on 10/06/2008 6:13:01 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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