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Christian Website Endorses Obama as Pro-Life ( "Christian?" )
worldnetdaily.com ^ | October 03, 2008 | Drew Zahn

Posted on 10/05/2008 7:40:35 AM PDT by kellynla

A group of Christian supporters of Barack Obama – who has a 100 percent pro-abortion Senate voting record – have created a website touting the Democratic presidential candidate as the most pro-life choice in November's election.

The Pro-Life Pro-Obama website argues that Obama's economic and health care plans and support of programs for the poor will do more for reducing abortions in the U.S. than the positions of his Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: abortion; antichrist; astroturfing; babykillers; babykilling; catholic; christian; deceit; demlies; fraud; infanticide; obama; obamasama; osamabama; prolife; rats; religiousleft

1 posted on 10/05/2008 7:40:35 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: Salvation; NYer; narses; A.A. Cunningham

ping


2 posted on 10/05/2008 7:41:01 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Wow! that’s some convoluted logic


3 posted on 10/05/2008 7:41:33 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of the Masses Could be Farts)
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To: kellynla

Check what kind of christians they are!
Kinds of J.WRIGHT? Maybe


4 posted on 10/05/2008 7:42:14 AM PDT by Ulysse
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To: kellynla

Those people are whack.


5 posted on 10/05/2008 7:44:08 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: kellynla

A Christian Group ENDORSING OBama - a Muslim - for his views on MURDER, er excuse me ABORTION?? Is the group from the ‘CHURCH of the HOLY KOOKS’?


6 posted on 10/05/2008 7:46:55 AM PDT by EagleandLiberty (May we all live free...)
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To: kellynla
The argument favoring Obama expressed by this group is an "issues-oriented" argument.

One either holds to the principle that life and liberty are gifts of the Creator, therefore unalienable, or one believes that life and liberty are grants of other persons [individuals (women), judges, legislators, etc.]. The whole American experiment in liberty was based on the first principle. The difference between these two is the difference between liberty and tyranny.

How Doug Kmiec can participate in such a group is shocking!

7 posted on 10/05/2008 7:49:37 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: kellynla
Is this "Astroturfing" ?
8 posted on 10/05/2008 7:50:42 AM PDT by kanawa (http://www.canadalovessarah.ca/)
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To: Ulysse
The site's spokesman, author Douglas W. Kmiec, a former professor and U.S. assistant attorney general under Reagan, writes, "After 35 years, a new approach is needed. Too many unborn lives are being lost as we wait for judges to get it right. Barack Obama's strengthening of support for prenatal care, health care, maternity leave, and adoption will make the difference." The spin machine, posing evil as good, good as evil, is frightening, demonic even. Barack Obama worked hard to protect a particularly heinous form of killing the alive unborn--those prenatals the fool I quoted from the article tries to cite as more protected by this infanticide candidate. While in the Illinois Seante, Obama on four specific occasions was successful in his work to squelch bills which would stop induced labor abortions. The excuses he's offered for why range from 'the bill would have made abortion illegal' to 'the bill wasn't necessary' to 'we can't pass a law extending fourteenth amendment rcognition to these children schedule for termination' (parphrasing).

If anyone needs a description of what Obama was working to protect in abortion category, just ask and I'll explain further. Suffice it to say, Obama was working his democrat ass off to protect infanticide in Illinois.

9 posted on 10/05/2008 7:51:52 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: kellynla

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0DE5DA163AF933A25751C1A9649C8B63

Legal Scholar Is Considered For Court
New York Times, The (NY) - December 10, 2002
Author: NEIL A. LEWIS

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/30/us/30beliefs.html?_r=1&em~&oref=slogin

For Ex-G.O.P. Official, Obama Is Candidate of Catholic Values
New York Times, The (NY) - August 30, 2008
Author: PETER STEINFELS


10 posted on 10/05/2008 7:53:59 AM PDT by maggief
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To: kellynla

So Obama not only endorses abortion on demand, not only partial birth abortion, but actually murdering an abortion survivor OUTSIDE the mother’s womb... and he he is “pro life”?

The Bible speaks to this twisted logic when right is wrong, and wrong is right.


11 posted on 10/05/2008 7:58:33 AM PDT by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: Ulysse

FACADE CHRISTIANS......ONLY THE APPEARANCE THEREOF.


12 posted on 10/05/2008 8:06:59 AM PDT by BellCollector
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To: kellynla

In the Obama dystopia Planned Parenthood will be nationalized and renamed the Department of Life.


13 posted on 10/05/2008 8:07:22 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Nyet-Bama)
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To: loveliberty2
How Doug Kmiec can participate in such a group is shocking!

Are you kidding? Every time I see this "law professor's" name it is in connection with some liberal garbage, endorsing Obama since last Spring. He has honed the toxic mix of "social justice" and "I'm personally opposed but" argument to a fine edge as could only be done by someone who has had "right and wrong" drilled out of his pea brain in law school.

14 posted on 10/05/2008 8:09:12 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: kellynla
Douglas Kmiec(Matthew 25 Network) is delusional.

Here's the proof:
“Senator Barack Obama’s strengthening of support for prenatal care, health care, maternity leave, and adoption will make help drastically reduce the numbers of abortions. Studies confirm it...”

Any woman who murders her own child does not do so b/c she isn't getting prenatal care. Or maternity leave. There are agencies which provide ALL these services. And adoption? She knows full well that there are adoption services up the wazoo who would place her child.

A woman who aborts her own child does so simply b/c she does not wish to inconvenience herself for 9 months.

Mr.Kmiec has simply decided that the battle to save millions of innocent souls from being murdered is just too darn hard. So he has abandoned his Faith. He has become a spiritual pariah and he is encouraging others to follow his life of lies.

I would pray for him, but I'm too busy praying for all the
little ones he's decided just aren't worth the effort.

15 posted on 10/05/2008 8:09:51 AM PDT by justkate
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To: kellynla

To paraphrase someone else, “There is a special place in hell” for those who kill innocent babies.


16 posted on 10/05/2008 8:14:46 AM PDT by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: kellynla

Obama is so "pro life" that YouTube removed the video that shows his statements on supporting all forms of abortion.


17 posted on 10/05/2008 8:16:17 AM PDT by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: kellynla; All
ProLifeProObama is the work of the Matthew 25 Network.

Background info on M25:

Called “The Matthew 25 Network,” the new organization, which is still in its earliest stages, is being spearheaded by Mara Vanderslice, who was director of religious outreach for the Kerry-Edwards campaign in 2004 and did similar work for several statewide Democratic candidates, including Governor Ted Strickland of Ohio, Senator Bob Casey of Pennsylvania and Governor Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas.

Source: New PAC Seeks to Court Christians for Obama, June 10, 2008, New York Times

OpenSecrets and FEC Disclosure Reports has the usual raw data.

18 posted on 10/05/2008 8:28:14 AM PDT by CE2949BB (McCain/Palin 08)
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To: kanawa

So now we’re “Astro-turfing” Obama?!!

No thanks.


19 posted on 10/05/2008 8:31:02 AM PDT by XR7
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To: kellynla
Reminds me of the "Hunter And Shooters Association" that supports Obama for President. I have now gotten 2 emails from them supporting the One. Funny thing is if you go to their web site all they do is bash the NRA.
20 posted on 10/05/2008 8:34:21 AM PDT by fuzzybutt
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To: fuzzybutt

This is Respect Life Sunday for Roman Catholics voters (25%). Vote for life!


21 posted on 10/05/2008 8:47:10 AM PDT by yorkie01
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To: kellynla
”Barack Obama – who has a 100 percent pro-abortion Senate voting record –"

Now if he had a 110% pro-abortion senate record, then maybe-just maybe-they would have to consider reconsidering their entire position. Democrat logic at its best/worse…

22 posted on 10/05/2008 8:49:33 AM PDT by ArchAngel1983 (Arch Angel- on guard)
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To: mylife
Wow! that’s some convoluted logic

How can educated people weave such a tangled web of deception?

23 posted on 10/05/2008 8:51:54 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: kellynla

The emerging-church-liberal-social-gospelites strike again!


24 posted on 10/05/2008 9:00:55 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: The_Media_never_lie
It's easy. Just drink the Kool-Aid.


25 posted on 10/05/2008 9:04:43 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of the Masses Could be Farts)
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To: kellynla

Asked for additional comment on their political philosophies, the organizers of the website added: “War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength.”


26 posted on 10/05/2008 9:25:36 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.******)
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To: XR7
So now we’re “Astro-turfing” Obama?!!
No thanks.

I wasn't suggesting we were astroturfing Obama
but rather that he was astroturfing us...if I understand the term correctly.

27 posted on 10/05/2008 9:27:52 AM PDT by kanawa (http://www.canadalovessarah.ca/)
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To: mylife

Maybe we should legalize shooting people in the head with a handgun, and say that’s OK because certain economic policies will make it less likely that people will shoot each other in the head. Then we can say “Jesus taught us that” with a big, self-satisfied grin.

Oh, maybe that wouldn’t be such a good idea. I really believe these sorts of things are pushed by “Christians” who believe at their core that there’s simply no way Jesus will really ever judge their behavior.


28 posted on 10/05/2008 9:37:29 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.******)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Who knows what is in men’s hearts?


29 posted on 10/05/2008 9:41:43 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of the Masses Could be Farts)
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To: Ulysse

was there a list of the other pastors involved? I want to see if Joel Hunter’s in this.


30 posted on 10/05/2008 9:42:26 AM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: kellynla

Its phony. This is how you do propaganda.

Some people will fall for it, but most of them will have journalism degrees, and those guys are notoriously easy.


31 posted on 10/05/2008 9:57:35 AM PDT by marron
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To: kellynla
Linked source of this atrocity is Matthew 25 Network

Note from DOUGLAS W. KMIEC: As Ronald Reagan's legal counsel and as a dean and professor at Catholic University and Notre Dame,

He fails to mention: The Matthew 25 Network is a Federal Political Action Committee (PAC) that works to elect and promote candidates who share our values through grassroots mobilization, raising our voices in the media, and paid advertising.

Staff of Matthew 25 Network: Mara Vanderslice is the organizing force behind the Matthew 25 Network. Prior to founding Matthew 25, Mara worked with Common Good Strategies, a political consulting firm that worked on connecting elected officials, candidates and state parties with America’s diverse religious communities. CGS worked on numerous successful political campaigns in 2006. Prior to that, Mara was the Director of Religious Outreach for the Kerry-Edwards 2004 campaign

This is a Obama front group. I'm sure paid by Soros money

It's appalling hypocrisy for them to use this quote

The real quote from The Book of Matthew

The Sheep and the Goats
 31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

 34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

 37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

 40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

 41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

 44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

 45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

 46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

Footnotes:

32 posted on 10/05/2008 10:00:49 AM PDT by Popman (Dont worry Barney Frank has your ass-ets covered!!!)
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To: hinckley buzzard
How Doug Kmiec can participate in such a group is shocking! Are you kidding? Every time I see this "law professor's" name it is in connection with some liberal garbage, endorsing Obama since last Spring. He has honed the toxic mix of "social justice" and "I'm personally opposed but" argument to a fine edge as could only be done by someone who has had "right and wrong" drilled out of his pea brain in law school.

Laura Ingraham had him on her show. His arguments were nonsense and she easily refuted them. Claims that abortions rose under Bush - false. Claims about liberal/socialist healthcare policies reducines abortion - nonsense. Completely ignored the fact that Obama was a pro-abortion extremist and would fund taxpayer-funded abortions and repeal the Hyde Amendment *and* would gut some state-level abortion restrictions via Freedom of Choice Act. And that leaves the fact that Obama would appoint justice that lock Roe v Wade for another generation, and Kmiec tried to pretend that was a nonissue. That *IS* the issue! Within minutes, he was babbling incoherently. You have to have the IQ of a turnip to fall for this.

This is all about wishy-washy liberal Catholics finding a rationalization to vote pro-abort. Lies people tell themselves are the worst lies of all. Doug Kmiec is a party to a bamboozling.

33 posted on 10/05/2008 10:29:25 AM PDT by WOSG (Change America needs: Dump the Pelosi Democrat Congress!!!)
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To: kellynla

May God separate the wheat from the tares, and do it soon!!!


34 posted on 10/05/2008 10:41:14 AM PDT by pray4liberty (The Lord is on the side of the truly righteous.)
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To: kellynla

Useful idiots, or liars pretending to be pro-life. It’s one or the other.


35 posted on 10/05/2008 11:46:06 AM PDT by bitterdfwrepub
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To: kellynla
People use phrases like "common ground" and "reduce abortions" when what they mean is that they want abortion to remain legal, with no protection for any baby between conception and birth.

Those who really stand for the right to life have to not fall for the Orwellian doublespeak.

36 posted on 10/05/2008 3:13:59 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: kellynla

Unf...believable


37 posted on 10/05/2008 4:00:28 PM PDT by combat_boots (God, gun and babies. Justices, taxes and sovereignty. Otherwise known as White Trash. Count me in.)
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To: kellynla

These are Christians/Catholics in Name Only. CINOs. Ignore them.


38 posted on 10/05/2008 6:06:27 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: TommyDale; Antoninus

39 posted on 10/05/2008 6:09:11 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
Just as every cop is a criminal, and all the sinners saints . . .


40 posted on 10/05/2008 6:11:25 PM PDT by Hoodat (Obama's only connection to the descendants of American Slaves is that his muslim ancestors sold them)
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To: kellynla
Men like Doug Kmiec will (barring repentance before death) burn in unquenchable fire. I have no doubt about this.

Mr. Kmiec, I pray that you will repent--for the sake of your immortal soul.
41 posted on 10/05/2008 8:50:57 PM PDT by Antoninus (Ignore the polls. They're meant to shape public opinion, not measure it.)
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