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Mother is denied pill by Muslim pharmacist
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | 03 Oct 2008 | Paul Stokes

Posted on 10/05/2008 12:12:12 PM PDT by forkinsocket

A woman was refused the "morning-after pill" by a supermarket's duty pharmacist because it was against his religious beliefs.

Ruth Johnson, 33, who has two children, including a month-old baby, had not been using her usual method of contraception with her fiancée.

She went to the Tesco dispensary in Hewitts Circus, Cleethorpes, Lincs, and asked an as assistant for the pill Levanelle.

Miss Johnson was told it could only be dispensed by the locum pharmacist who was called to speak with her.

She said: "He came out from behind a screen and told me that he would not be allowing me to buy the pill from him because he had a right to refuse to sell it on the basis of his personal beliefs.

"The pharmacist was of Asian origin so I asked him if it was because of his religion and he replied 'Yes'."

Miss Johnson, from Cleethorpes, was left feeling ashamed and worried and complained to the store manager who told her they couldn't force the pharmacist to sell the product.

She said: "I asked him if a Jewish or Muslim checkout operator could refuse to sell pork or alcohol or if a Jehovah's Witness could refuse to sell birthday and Christmas cards."

Her concern is that the policy could deter teenage girls from seeking the morning-after pill.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: conscienceclause; pharmacist; pharmacy; pill
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1 posted on 10/05/2008 12:12:12 PM PDT by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket

How screwed are you when a Muslim has the moral high ground?


2 posted on 10/05/2008 12:13:30 PM PDT by Salamander (Blue Oyster Cult is the soundtrack to the Revolution.)
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To: forkinsocket

A leftist’s nightmare: support jihadists or baby-killers?? What to do...What to do...


3 posted on 10/05/2008 12:14:22 PM PDT by farmer18th (I had a brain transplant after college. (The original was ruined.))
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To: forkinsocket

ruh roh!

irreconcilable contradiction within minds of multicultural fundamentalists


4 posted on 10/05/2008 12:14:39 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: forkinsocket

Pork and Christmas cards do not kill people. There are three pharmacies on every corner. All of the grocery stores have them. Even Wal-Mart has them. Go somewhere else.


5 posted on 10/05/2008 12:14:57 PM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: forkinsocket

We’re going to have to deal with them - sooner or later. Better sooner. What part of “Get the F**K out of the UK - NOW!” might they not understand?


6 posted on 10/05/2008 12:15:21 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: forkinsocket

Where’s my popcorn?


7 posted on 10/05/2008 12:15:41 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Here to help)
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To: forkinsocket

When it comes to life, people should have the right to stand FOR it.


8 posted on 10/05/2008 12:16:24 PM PDT by greatvikingone
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To: forkinsocket

She already has 2 kids, and yet she thinks it’s a good idea to not use her usual form of contraception? I have a suggestion to her. Marry someone so your kids have a stable home life, and then find a mentor who can teach you a little common sense.
Sheesh.


9 posted on 10/05/2008 12:17:30 PM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Keep the change!)
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To: farmer18th
"Her concern is that the policy could deter teenage girls from seeking the morning-after pill."

A leftist’s nightmare: support jihadists or baby-killers?? What to do...What to do...

Punish the Muslim with a fine or punish the teenagers with babies?

10 posted on 10/05/2008 12:18:32 PM PDT by taraytarah
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To: Soliton
There are three pharmacies on every corner. All of the grocery stores have them. Even Wal-Mart has them. Go somewhere else.

Hewitts Circus is not a very large town. I doubt that there was but one or two pharmacies. Your statement above may be true in the US, but not at all true in most parts of the UK.

11 posted on 10/05/2008 12:19:12 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: forkinsocket
I have to really wonder if the pharmacist refused the pill because of his religion, or if it was because she was a woman who gave birth to a child a month ago, and the pill could cause serious harm to her, and her child. It doesn't say in the article if her monthly cycles had returned or not, a pretty critical fact. Nor does it say if she was breastfeeding the child or not, as studies on the long term effects of such pills on babies hasn't been investigated yet.

But you can bet if she did suffer side effects, she'd be seeking compensation pretty damn quick.

12 posted on 10/05/2008 12:22:04 PM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: forkinsocket

Um, excuse me, but it’s recommended highly that you don’t resume sexual relations until at least 6 weeks out.


13 posted on 10/05/2008 12:23:20 PM PDT by SaintDismas (Starting to regret the handle I chose for this forum)
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To: Salamander
How screwed are you when a Muslim has the moral high ground?

He's a pill-pusher. Neither he nor the Catholic nor anyone else may substitute their judgment for the decision of the patient and her prescribing physician.

It's none of his damned business.

14 posted on 10/05/2008 12:25:18 PM PDT by jude24
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To: mlocher
Your statement above may be true in the US, but not at all true in most parts of the UK.

They will have even fewer pharmacists if they don't respect their rights.

15 posted on 10/05/2008 12:26:31 PM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: taraytarah

Yes, if this were a fundamentalist Christian chemist, then the full weight of HM government would come down on him or her.


16 posted on 10/05/2008 12:26:38 PM PDT by Lysandru
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To: jude24

nothing more important than life.


17 posted on 10/05/2008 12:28:31 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Betcha they're good. Why shouldn't they be? Their one mistake was giving up me!)
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To: Salamander

That was my thought.


18 posted on 10/05/2008 12:29:00 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: taraytarah

Prediction: the Neville Chamberlain impulse will prevail. A Sharia quarter will be declared and a Slut Quarter will be declared. “Keep to your districts, British citizens!”


19 posted on 10/05/2008 12:29:13 PM PDT by farmer18th (I had a brain transplant after college. (The original was ruined.))
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To: forkinsocket
Ruth Johnson, 33, who has two children, including a month-old baby, had not been using her usual method of contraception with her fiancée.

Maybe she needs to PLAN AHEAD!

20 posted on 10/05/2008 12:30:57 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: ari-freedom
nothing more important than life.

When I want the opinion of the Haji pill-pusher, then I'll ask it.

21 posted on 10/05/2008 12:31:31 PM PDT by jude24
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To: Soliton
Go somewhere else.

Instead of the 'news' which shows she wasn't interested in taking care of the problem but stirring the pot.

22 posted on 10/05/2008 12:32:25 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: jude24
It's none of his damned business.

It is when his/her religious beliefs comes into question. She can go around the corner to another pharmacy like most people do when they aren't satisfied with the service.

23 posted on 10/05/2008 12:34:50 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: jude24

And she’s free to go to another pharmacy.


24 posted on 10/05/2008 12:36:17 PM PDT by Salamander (Blue Oyster Cult is the soundtrack to the Revolution.)
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To: brytlea

Yes. This is just another example of how abortion and the “morning after” pill are just another form of birth control for many rather than for rape, incest, etc.


25 posted on 10/05/2008 12:37:42 PM PDT by Grumpybutt
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To: kcvl
It is when his/her religious beliefs comes into question. She can go around the corner to another pharmacy like most people do when they aren't satisfied with the service.

Since when am I bound by the religious dictates of a low-level employee? Should I be refused blood if my nurse is a Jehovah's Witness? Should I be refused pork if my checkout clerk is a Muslim?

I don't give a damn about the Haji's beliefs. If my wife is going to get a pill that her doctor prescribed for her, the pill-pusher is not to second-guess that decision.

26 posted on 10/05/2008 12:38:09 PM PDT by jude24
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To: jude24

ok but you can’t force someone to push a pill that would kill a baby


27 posted on 10/05/2008 12:38:19 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Betcha they're good. Why shouldn't they be? Their one mistake was giving up me!)
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To: jude24

Okay, we see you reject even the Hippocratic oath as well.

Your lack of ethics of any sort is quite evident, You too have a lower moral position than the muslims.

Truly sad.


28 posted on 10/05/2008 12:38:23 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: ari-freedom
ok but you can’t force someone to push a pill that would kill a baby

Then he shouldn't take a job as a pharmacist.

29 posted on 10/05/2008 12:38:48 PM PDT by jude24
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To: jude24

a pharmacist’s job is killing babies?


31 posted on 10/05/2008 12:39:42 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Betcha they're good. Why shouldn't they be? Their one mistake was giving up me!)
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To: ari-freedom
a pharmacist’s job is killing babies?

A pharmacist's job is to dispense as written.

32 posted on 10/05/2008 12:40:06 PM PDT by jude24
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To: kcvl

How many kids does it take to make a marriage in the UK? Maybe married after kid number 3?


33 posted on 10/05/2008 12:40:27 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" - on amazon.com)
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To: MrEdd

Gonna be another freaky day on FR....:)


34 posted on 10/05/2008 12:40:51 PM PDT by Salamander (Blue Oyster Cult is the soundtrack to the Revolution.)
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To: jude24

not when life is at stake


35 posted on 10/05/2008 12:41:59 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Betcha they're good. Why shouldn't they be? Their one mistake was giving up me!)
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To: jude24

Judge again rules druggists can deny morning-after pill

“what if the law protected a right of terminal patients to take poison and end their lives? And what if pharmacies began stocking a particularly “humane” cocktail of poisons that a doctor could prescribe for eligible patients? When a patient walked into a pharmacy to fill that prescription, many pharmacists would decline, believing that handing poison to a suicidal person is tantamount to murder. The law should never compel people to participate in murder, even if the law allows that murder to occur, for whatever reason.”


36 posted on 10/05/2008 12:42:09 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: wequalswinner

I had my baby boy last Saturday. Sometimes it is painful to sit down or stand up. I don’t even want to think about sex. OUCH!


37 posted on 10/05/2008 12:42:53 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed less people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: jude24

Your wife would be free to go somewhere else to get the pill.


38 posted on 10/05/2008 12:43:55 PM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Keep the change!)
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To: kcvl

Maybe it’s none of the Haji pill-pusher’s business?


39 posted on 10/05/2008 12:44:07 PM PDT by jude24
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To: jude24
If my wife is going to get a pill that her doctor prescribed for her, the pill-pusher is not to second-guess that decision.

A pharmacist is not a 'low level employee' for your information. Besides, take your wife's prescription someplace else if you don't like the phamacy's policies.

Maybe you and your wife should plan ahead and not expect a doctor or a pharmacist to get you out of the mess you got yourselves in.

40 posted on 10/05/2008 12:47:17 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl
A pharmacist is not a 'low level employee' for your information.

Unless he's the owner, he is.

41 posted on 10/05/2008 12:48:55 PM PDT by jude24
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To: jude24
Then he shouldn't take a job as a pharmacist.

That's none of your business since he/she never knew that part of that job was supposed to be killing.

42 posted on 10/05/2008 12:49:55 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: jude24; kcvl
I don't give a damn about the Haji's beliefs. If my wife is going to get a pill that her doctor prescribed for her, the pill-pusher is not to second-guess that decision.

Any transaction between your wife and her Doctor - is just that - a transaction between her and her Doctor.

It is not in any way a transaction between her and the pharmacist - who is free to make, or not make whatever transaction he or she wishes with your wife.

Your lack of discernment and intellect is truly staggering.

Wanting to purchase something on your part does not in any way translate into a right to demand a business person stock and sell it to you - whether it is a brand of soft drink, performance tires of a certain size, or a medication.

Your wife may have a script making it legal for her to buy a certain pill, but that is all the Doctor has given her - a scrip that makes it legal to buy. Not some Imperial decree that requires subjects to obey a noble.

43 posted on 10/05/2008 12:49:55 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: jude24
Just for clarity....I know a few D Pharm's that have saved patients live's..and lot's of money by NOT giving them the 'script that was written by the patients Doctor.

FWIW-

44 posted on 10/05/2008 12:50:32 PM PDT by Osage Orange (" I did not have radical relations with that man, William Ayers. " -Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: jude24

It IS his damned business.

The morning after pill is an abortifacient and the law allows doctors to refuse to murder unborn babies and pharmacists the right to not give a pill that kills an implanted fetus.

Ed


45 posted on 10/05/2008 12:51:25 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: jude24
A pharmacist's job is to dispense as written.

If that was the case SOME patients would be DEAD! You obviously don't know much about a pharmacist's job.

46 posted on 10/05/2008 12:51:27 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: goodwithagun

God bless you and your new baby.


47 posted on 10/05/2008 12:52:07 PM PDT by SaintDismas (Starting to regret the handle I chose for this forum)
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To: brytlea

So, who do you think is the better judge of the way to practice pharmacy ~ a trained, college educated pharmacist or an old whore?P>That’s the only question here.


48 posted on 10/05/2008 12:52:34 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Osage Orange
Pharm D's.....not D Pharm's...

I got my tie tongued....

49 posted on 10/05/2008 12:52:36 PM PDT by Osage Orange (" I did not have radical relations with that man, William Ayers. " -Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: jude24

Your raving is on par with the government compelling citizens to man the firing squad for executions. How blustery of you.


50 posted on 10/05/2008 12:53:38 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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