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No body (found) in exhumed (Cardinal John Henry) Newman's grave
BBC ^ | October 4, 2008

Posted on 10/05/2008 3:25:47 PM PDT by NYer

The grave of the 19th Century Cardinal John Henry Newman did not contain his body, the Catholic Church has revealed.

The plot, at the Oratory House, Rednal, near Birmingham, was excavated on Thursday at the Vatican's instruction.

His remains were to have been moved to the Birmingham Oratory, in preparation for Newman's anticipated beatification.

Newman's body may have decomposed, as his coffin was not lead-lined. Its absence will not affect the progress of his cause in Rome, a spokesman said.

In a statement released on Saturday, Peter Jennings from the Fathers of the Birmingham Oratory, said: "Brass, wooden and cloth artefacts from Cardinal Newman's coffin were found.

"However there were no remains of the body of John Henry Newman.

"An expectation that Cardinal Newman had been buried in a lead-lined coffin proved to be unfounded.

"In the view of the medical and health professionals in attendance, burial in a wooden coffin in a very damp site makes this kind of total decomposition of the body unsurprising.

"The absence of physical remains in the grave does not affect the progress of Cardinal Newman's cause in Rome."

'Inexplicable' cure

Newman is in line to become the first non-martyred English saint since before the Reformation.

The step-by-step process for his beatification began at the Birmingham Oratory in the late 1950s.

It continued with Pope John Paul II declaring Newman to be Venerable in January 1991.

However, in order for Newman to be beatified - the next stage in the process towards sainthood - a miracle needs to be credited to him by the Vatican.

It is investigating a claim that Jack Sullivan, a deacon from Boston, Massachusetts, was cured of a serious spinal disease after praying to the cardinal.

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2 posted on 10/05/2008 3:27:13 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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Oh crap... we all missed the rapture.


3 posted on 10/05/2008 3:31:24 PM PDT by Porterville (Im no economist- getting a PHD in economics wasn't economical... it didn' make cents.)
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

4 posted on 10/05/2008 3:32:17 PM PDT by narses (Obama and Osama both have friends who bombed the Pentagon.)
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To: NYer
Perfectly normal.

In a thread posted on this yesterday or Friday, we had a long & interesting discussion. (At least I was interested, since I studied archaeology while I was an undergraduate.)

In much of Northern England, the combination of highly acidic soil and VERY damp ground means that folks just decompose into nothing. When archaeologists are excavating prehistoric burial mounds, you shave off paper-thin layers of soil in likely burial areas, because nothing will be left but what they call "corpse shadows" - slight difference in coloration in the soil where the bones reacted with the soil as they decomposed. It looks pretty much like an X-ray.

Surprised that there was much of the wooden coffin left. Even the metal coffin-plate was in very rough condition.

5 posted on 10/05/2008 3:33:52 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies Auxiliary, recess appointment))
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To: NYer
Well, lets face it. He was beamed up!
6 posted on 10/05/2008 3:37:52 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (http://www.theobamafile.com/))
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To: Porterville

Porterville, that is so funny.


7 posted on 10/05/2008 3:40:38 PM PDT by baa39
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To: NYer
"Dust thou art and unto dust thou shalt return".

Repeated because it should give all of us perspective when we begin to feel too important in this life.

8 posted on 10/05/2008 3:42:56 PM PDT by Volunteer (Just so you know, I am ashamed the Dixie Chicks make records in Nashville.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

So even the bones and teeth go?


9 posted on 10/05/2008 3:49:47 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: baa39

I always thought I’d be pulled out of my car and then be manning some light tower somewhere without being able to celebrate Christmas or my birthday..


10 posted on 10/05/2008 3:50:30 PM PDT by Porterville (Im no economist- getting a PHD in economics wasn't economical... it didn' make cents.)
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"Dust thou art and unto dust thou shalt return".

This always comes to mind when I read about the despots in this world. All the money in the world will not help you when your name is called.

11 posted on 10/05/2008 3:54:37 PM PDT by Dustbunny (Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. The Gipper)
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To: IronJack

I wondered about that too.


12 posted on 10/05/2008 3:55:29 PM PDT by Dustbunny (Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. The Gipper)
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Not long ago I read a story about a man and his company tasked with moving a large colonial cemetery so the land could be used for the development of housing. Not a single bone or coffin was found. The only thing that remained were the headstones.
13 posted on 10/05/2008 4:29:02 PM PDT by warsaw44
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To: NYer

He is in heaven. His friends are there too. He didn’t want to leave his friends behind.


14 posted on 10/05/2008 4:35:23 PM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: IronJack
Everything. Bones, teeth, hide, hair and all. Nothing left but a discoloration in the soil where the bones (and teeth) used to be.

I wish I could find some photos on line like the pics from my old British Archaeology book. Once they've cleared the soil down to burial level, it looks like life-size X-rays of the bodies lying in the positions they were placed at burial, but there's nothing there.

15 posted on 10/05/2008 4:39:39 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies Auxiliary, recess appointment))
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No body (found) in exhumed (Cardinal John Henry) Newman's grave

"NEWMAN!"

16 posted on 10/05/2008 4:41:52 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Dustbunny
This always comes to mind when I read about the despots in this world. All the money in the world will not help you when your name is called.

You are so right! :-) There is no U-Haul following the hearse. Bloated egos are left behind; your accomplishments are what accompany you in death.

17 posted on 10/05/2008 5:00:43 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Wow. Morbid but fascinating. The house of flesh truly is ephemeral.


18 posted on 10/05/2008 5:07:29 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack
Now that I think about it, I've had a lot of dealings with dead folks. Classics and archaeology (though I wound up majoring in History because I didn't have enough Latin after I was through getting enough Greek), then after law school I did arson and catastrophic loss investigation . . . you get very inured to the merely physical.

It'll still turn me up if I'm not mentally prepared for it.

19 posted on 10/05/2008 5:13:18 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies Auxiliary, recess appointment))
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You’ve a very impressive set of credentials. I’ll trust your judgment re The Departed. I suppose it’s a road we all must travel, but not before our time.


20 posted on 10/05/2008 6:41:24 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack
Well, thank you! Just live long enough and pay attention . . . . < g >

Our priest's homily this morning was the vineyard and the evil tenants who killed the landlord's servants and then his son . . . our bodies, like the vineyard, are just 'on loan from God'. "Ye know not the day nor the hour" - just do your day's work, be as cheerful as you can and trust in God.

21 posted on 10/05/2008 6:48:28 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies Auxiliary, recess appointment))
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