Skip to comments.A move to secede on California-Oregon border
Posted on 10/06/2008 8:03:23 AM PDT by AuntB
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I still got fight in me. If they’re serious, I can be too. Thinking Governor Hunter would be a possibility? Here in Anchorage, the socialists have taken over...
If they do it, maybe I can get my husband to move out of the Bay Area to up there.
Go for it!!!!
Nice catch on Ithaca, but aren’t the red and blue regions reversed, according to current current usage?
Why would Montana want to split in two? Is there anything to gain there?
I like it!!
I’m counting on you being here, Rocky!
I should have included the caption:
|Darker areas show the State of Jefferson, as proposed by Gilbert Gable in 1941. Modern versions of the movement usually include the lighter areas as well.|
The Chronicle likes to stir the pot every so often. It enables them to paint us as bitter folk clinging to our guns and bibles so that no one feels guilty about regulating us to death.
The movement was a serious one back in pre-WWII. Then Stan Statham had an advisory vote taken on the prospect of state division back in the 1990s. It was determined then that, as this area is so poor, it receives far more tax benefit than it pays out. The area has very little industry and very little tax base. In actuality, we would end up being one of the most impoverished states in the union. Also, we have several bastions of wealthy leftist, socialist, eco-weird philosophy (Ashland, Arcata, and Mt. Shasta) within the boundaries. They would likely be elevated in standing due to their wealth and make life a living hell for the rest of us.
This is when the State of Jefferson became a state of mind - conservative frontier mindset - individual rights protected from the majority, the protection of the integrity of property rights limited government, local control, natural resource based economy and traditional values.
I’ve been thinking about places like Ashland. They would make this impossible. Besides, Marsh, we’re already one of the poorest regions of the country, might as well be free.
“If that were the case, maybe we should let San Francisco, Marin, Alameda and San Mateo counties split off into THEIR own state. They have nothing in common with the rest of the state, as far as I can see.”
Don’t forget Contra Costa as well.Might as well include Santa Clara down to Monterey, too. It’s all one metro-lump area.
The best plan some years ago split CA into 5 states, one was the area in the Jefferson concept, another was the Bay Area plus some surrounding area, Central Valley and Central Coast, LA area, and then San Diego/Inland Empire and Desert region. That gets the major economic and politically-similar areas together. It would also be fairly even in keeping Senate representation equal. 2 Dem areas (LA and SF Bay) 2 GOP areas (Orange Co./SD/Inland Empire, and the Central Valley) and one Swing (”Jefferson” because it contains the inland side, GOP and the Eureka hippies,Dem)I don’t know how the House side would work out, though.
Thing is, each area would be WAY more manageable in terms of administration.
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I guess I should have read the thread before pinging you. Humboldt County is a lost cause for this split...
Amazing, that is quite a big chunk of land. I’m only about 50 miles north of the upper coastal boundary. If Obama wins, why not take this a step further and fully secede from the Union. I’ll be happy to move to the new country and help it get going.
I’ll be there!
But on the subject of the State of Jefferson, yeah I'd be there, but I believe it should include the portion of Lane County West and South of the Suislaw River (which is mostly Federal land - timber), excluding the city of Florence unless there is a workable plan to expel the leftists who have taken over there. Seems to me Ashland already has enough for the whole state.
Is this a picture from CA or OR? I haven’t seen anything like that in Portland but I do lead a sheltered life.
hehe, Alaskans won’t. Their politicians might, but individuals are ruggedly independent (swoon!)
I get your point, but technically, Fresno is the fourth largest city in California and we feed ourselves. :)