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Short-Term Energy and Winter Fuels Outlook
Energy Information Administration ^ | October 7, 2008 | Energy Information Administration

Posted on 10/08/2008 7:50:04 AM PDT by thackney

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1 posted on 10/08/2008 7:50:05 AM PDT by thackney
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I’m glad I got natural gas......................heating, that is.......


2 posted on 10/08/2008 7:59:17 AM PDT by Red Badger (My wallet is made out of depleted you-owe-mium........)
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Average household expenditures for all space-heating fuels are projected to be $1,137 this winter

Since I spent a little more than $1,700 last year I sure I will be keeping my above average reputation this year. : (

3 posted on 10/08/2008 8:00:32 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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What is your source of heating fuel?


4 posted on 10/08/2008 8:02:18 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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NG Boiler


5 posted on 10/08/2008 8:08:08 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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Households heating primarily with natural gas are expected to spend an average of $155 (18 percent) more this winter.

Ouch. At least you don't use fuel oil.

6 posted on 10/08/2008 8:10:17 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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At least you don't use fuel oil.

I don't know, sometimes I believe that the cost is calculated by BTU's, using electric as a baseline.

7 posted on 10/08/2008 8:19:06 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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sometimes I believe that the cost is calculated by BTU's

That should be true, Residential Natural gas is often priced by the Therm. (1 therm=100,000 Btu, which is the heat content of about 100 cubic feet of gas)

using electric as a baseline

That part sounds doubtful. I do not understand how (or why) they would do that.

If you are interested, some more information may be found at:

Residential Natural Gas Prices
What Consumer Should Know
http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/brochure/oil_gas/rngp/index.html
Release Date: November 2007
Next Release Date: November 2008

Judging from your home page, you probably already know this stuff, but maybe there is some new info there for you.

8 posted on 10/08/2008 8:26:19 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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Electric heat is 100% efficient, seems like a good place to start? Never looked in to it that closely.

Electricity (MWH) 3,412 BTUs/kilowatt hour

Fuel Oil (gal. 000’s) 138,700 BTUs/gallon

Nat. Gas (cu. feet 000’s) 1,031 BTUs/cubic foot

LPG/Propane (gal. 000’s) 95,500 BTU/gallon

Coal (short ton) 24,580,000 BTUs/short ton

Purchased Steam (BTUs) 1,000 BTUs/pound

9 posted on 10/08/2008 8:36:27 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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Worthy of note:

Domestic crude production has been steadily declining since the 1970s and the 2008 projection for crude oil production falls under 5 million bbl/d for the first time since 1946.

10 posted on 10/08/2008 8:49:07 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free)
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Electric heat is 100% efficient, seems like a good place to start?

Keep in mind you pay for quite a few inefficiency in the process of generating and bringing the electricity to your house.


2007 data available by clicking picture.

11 posted on 10/08/2008 8:51:56 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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And Pickens wants to increase NG demand tenfold. Great idea there.


12 posted on 10/08/2008 8:53:41 AM PDT by mysterio
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At least he wants to drill as well. We need to produce more natural gas domestically. We are increasing, but not enough.


13 posted on 10/08/2008 9:03:20 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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It would be awesome to go back to 1999 when I bought my furnace and choose something other than NG. An electric would have paid for itself several times by now.


14 posted on 10/08/2008 9:11:47 AM PDT by mysterio
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Here we go, just fill in the blanks.

HOME FUEL COST COMPARISON
http://cecalaveras.ucdavis.edu/files/31924.pdf


15 posted on 10/08/2008 9:15:06 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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You got me going, now I can’t stop till I have the numbers.

Cost in my area per 100,000 btu
Electric - $4.98
Oil - $2.69
NG - $2.10


16 posted on 10/08/2008 10:22:41 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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What area are you in? Because where I’m at, electricity is super cheap compared to the rest of the country.


17 posted on 10/08/2008 10:25:42 AM PDT by mysterio
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Thanks
good info

I plan on supplementing my propane with a lot of spot heating using electric this winter, because here in Indiana, electric is cheaper.


18 posted on 10/08/2008 10:34:56 AM PDT by nascarnation
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Upstate N.Y., electric alone is cheap until you consider the transport, service, and tax tacked on. My fees are usually more than the cost of electric I use.


19 posted on 10/08/2008 10:35:07 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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Yeah, the inefficiencies of taking fuel, converting it to electricity and bringing it to your house show up in the costs.

You would have to have a very inefficient NG Water heating unit to make up more than twice the price difference.

I had a similar unit in Alaska. Much better efficiency than a forced air, IIRC.

20 posted on 10/08/2008 10:41:23 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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