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'Perfect storm' could give Dems 'magic 60' in Senate (They're already celebrating...ugh!) ^ | 10/08/2008 | Emily Sherman

Posted on 10/08/2008 1:53:49 PM PDT by Braak

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To: LS

I don’t think the Democrats will get to 60 seats. 57-59 is a real possibility. They’ve got 4 seats sewn up (Virginia, New Mexico, Colorado, New Hampshire) and are strongly contending in four other close races (Alaska, Oregon, North Carolina, Minnesota). Of the latter group of four, I’d rank them in the following order of vulnerability: Gordon Smith, Norm Coleman, Elizabeth Dole, Ted Stevens. I personally believe that Coleman, Dole, and Stevens will survive but Smith appears to be going down. That will give the Dems 56 seats four years after the Republicans had 55. The Dems will control every Senate seat on the West Coast and all but Maine’s two seats in New England. They’ll also gain at least one southern seat and two western seats.

Mississippi was always a pipe dream, IMO. I don’t think the Democrats have a real chance in Maine, Kentucky, or Georgia, despite any recent polls. Collins is still polling over 50%, Chambliss has never trailed in his race, and McConnell has also consistently led even with some recent polls showing things closer.

51 posted on 10/08/2008 2:51:06 PM PDT by zebrahead
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To: 6SJ7

that skit is great

52 posted on 10/08/2008 2:54:15 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: zebrahead

I agree with everything except CO. There is recent polling data showing the Republican coming on there. The same phenomenon happened with Allard, who was slated to lose, but won.

53 posted on 10/08/2008 2:54:53 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

come on Dec. 2012.

54 posted on 10/08/2008 3:01:37 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: HarryCaul

“It’s fine. 2 years of unfettered liberalism will result in 12-16 of rebounding conservativism. “

2 years of unfettered liberalism happened in 1932-1934 and 1964-1966 ...
The Republicans did not gain back control in either case for a long time after that.

Furthermore, the liberal regulations imposed were NOT rolled back. IT WAS A PERMANENT SHIFTING OF THE COUNTRY TO THE LEFT.

This is a very very bad thing. The best we can do is warn people about the dangers of complete Democrat control. People need to VOTE CHANGE IN CONGRESS. VOTE GOP IN CONGRESS TO RESTRAIN OBAMA.

55 posted on 10/08/2008 3:03:57 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: chimera
It’s terrible. You may be too young to remember the last time we had a ‘Rat in the WH, a 2-1 ‘Rat majority in the House, and a filibuster-proof ‘Rat majority in the Senate, but it was an unmitigated disaster that we are still paying for today. When was that? It was after the ‘64 election and the “true conservative” Barry Goldwater debacle. That gave us LBJ’s “Great Society”. What did that lead to? Well, among other things, years of race riots, the “War On Poverty” boondoggle, and a debt taxpayers today are still saddled with. Are you up for another round of that? Here’s a clue: the country probably won’t survive it.


The sophomoric claim that it will be okay because down the road a conservative will be elected misses the point: They are elected to clean up the mess that the liberals created. LBJ's liberal mess STILL LIVES ON in a Medicare program that is a leviathan threatening the whole fiscal basis of the country. LBJ's welfare programs didnt get reform for *30* years.

FDR's New Deal was the same thing. It took 20 years to get a Republican in the White House, and when he got in, he met with Republican leaders in the Congress and said he wasnt going to repeal the New Deal programs. They stayed, forever.

When it comes to socialism, you have to kill in the crib or it will grow and be impossible to kill.

Obama's liberalism will be an outrageous imposition on the whole country. The taxpayers will get reamed.

56 posted on 10/08/2008 3:08:37 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: Geist Krieger

“Agreed. However, why is the whole “throw out the bums” purge the incumnbants thing is to get rid of only Republicans and replace them with ultra-left-wing-big-spending Democrat liberals?”

Someone needs to push the message:

57 posted on 10/08/2008 3:11:08 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: zebrahead
That will give the Dems 56 seats four years after the Republicans had 55.

A hugh loss.

Unfortunately, half the battle, at least, in a Senate seat, is convincing a good candidate to run 12-18 months out. You need that long to organize, raise money, and get name ID up. Sure, anybody can point to exceptions, but the time is usually vital, especially when running for an open seat, or for against incumbent of either party. If good candidates don't decide to run early, and lay the ground work, it is almost impossible to make up for that fact just before the election.

Unfortunately, Bush has managed to have the Katrina debacle during the 2005 decision window, and the depth of the Iraq war unpopularity during the 2007 window. That lead strong Democrtats to line up to run, and strong Republicans to decide to do something else with their lives.

I'm still supporting McCain, but I shudder to think what will be going on to discourage Republicans during the 2009 decision window if he does prevail. Sixty Democrat seats in 2011 looks probable

58 posted on 10/08/2008 3:11:49 PM PDT by Pilsner
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To: rwfromkansas

come on Dec. 2012.

Dec 21 to be exact. The day Obama is appointed dictator for life.

59 posted on 10/08/2008 3:14:19 PM PDT by Islander7 (The only thing Obama has to fear is the truth!)
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To: ubaldus

Looking ahead to 2010, I think the map is against the GOP. They have numerous vulnerable incumbents including:

Mel Martinez (FL)
Lisa Murkowski (AK)
David Vitter (LA)
Jim Bunning (KY)
Arlen Specter (PA)
George Voinovich (OH)
Richard Burr (NC)

60 posted on 10/08/2008 3:15:36 PM PDT by zebrahead
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To: Braak

One of the first acts nobama will try is purging the clintons and all their supporters from the rat party. And anyone who thinks that will happen easily just isn’t paying attention. The clintons have the disciplined troops to fight, while nobama has a screaming mob. The fascist federal bureaucracy is committed to the clintons and will not support or share their looted treasures with the communist nobama and his johnny-come-lately Marxists.

That’s where the major fights will take place. Nobama and his racist gang won’t even get across the bridges and into DC.

61 posted on 10/08/2008 3:25:27 PM PDT by sergeantdave (We are entering the Age of the Idiot)
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To: Braak

Proverbs 16:18: “Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.”

62 posted on 10/08/2008 3:26:28 PM PDT by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: messierhunter

That’s where offshore servers come in. And nothing to stop anyone from doing videos and podcasts and spreading them around. Just make sure none of your fingerprints are on it.

63 posted on 10/08/2008 3:28:55 PM PDT by coydog (Keep Canada green - paint a Liberal!)
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To: HarryCaul
The pump is primed for disaster anyway, and they have no clue how to avoid it.

Yup, about have come to the same conclusion.

A McCain POTUS against a filibuster proof Senate and a large majority in the house means more extreme partisan politics at this in time in history we need the politic body to work together for the greater good of America.

McCain won't be able to stop the radical socialist wing of the rat party and it's full steam ahead for socialism and fascism light

Sometimes a train wreck needs to happen to get things straightened out and rebuilt on the right principles.

A Obama POTUS, Congress totally controlled by Dems leaves no room for passing the buck to the GOP for the coming train wreck in the next 12 months

64 posted on 10/08/2008 3:34:46 PM PDT by Popman (Dont worry Barney Frank has your ass-ets covered!!!)
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To: zebrahead
David Vitter is not vulnerable. He will be re-elected in Louisiana unless he loses in the primary to a better Republican. His district is safely conservative.
65 posted on 10/08/2008 3:36:59 PM PDT by MissMelly
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To: Geist Krieger

I don’t believe that for a minute - this country doesn’t want socialism, they’re only going to get Barack Hussein Obama elected if ACORN cheats enough. They don’t have the numbers, legally.

66 posted on 10/08/2008 3:46:21 PM PDT by Baladas ((ABBHO))
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To: 6SJ7
Yes, things went sour for LBJ, but it was because of Vietnam, not the 89th Congress and "The Great Society". Those things ruined the country. We are still living with their legacy today.

My point is we can't afford to hand over the Republic to a Marxist like Obama for even two years. The kind of damage that can be done by liberals running wild and unchecked for even just two years will take decades for conservatives to clean up, even if they somehow manage to regain power in a system that will likely be rigged to elect liberals for the rest of our lifetimes (not to mention the USSC).

67 posted on 10/08/2008 3:49:16 PM PDT by chimera
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To: zebrahead
Did I miss something? Was there an election today and the Republicans were removed from office? Why are we walking around as if we've already accepted defeat? Don't believe what you're reading in the media. Of course they're in the tank for Obama. What's new?

This is their last election cycle with any kind of power at all. Look at all the "dinosaur media" posts. They're losing their grip.

Chins up! It'll be okay. No, really, it will.
68 posted on 10/08/2008 4:25:02 PM PDT by tenger ("If we don't stay on 'em, they're gonna get it wrong." Joe Soucheray)
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Obama is FAR more radical than any Dem president to date. He *will* cause lasting harm to the liberal cause.

And the country is going to shift left no matter what. Have you been listening to McCain?

Better to let them take the hit for what’s coming.

69 posted on 10/08/2008 4:36:32 PM PDT by HarryCaul (Verify Possums! Pogo's Enemy is Us!)
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To: ubaldus
No. We will not lose another 3 or 4 Senate seats in 2010 - We will easily defend MO, FL and NC seats - And the DEMs have a number of very vulnerable seats up in 10 and 12 -
70 posted on 10/08/2008 5:25:08 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: Geist Krieger
Good analysis. This election cycle represents a crossroads in that it will seal our path towards a Western European socialist style economy. Corporations want to socialize the risk and cost of doing business so they can compete in the world economy. Voters want cradle to grave health care, subsidized housing, and subsidized incomes because if a select group of minorities have it, why should not they? Americans are worried about the economy, and will grab on to any demagogue that promises to relieve those worries with no effort on their part.
71 posted on 10/09/2008 10:53:03 AM PDT by buckalfa (confused and bewildered)
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