Skip to comments.Berg vs Obama: Berg Files Response to Defense Motion for Protective Order
Posted on 10/09/2008 10:24:07 AM PDT by NoobRep
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Just imagine if it were a Republican trying to keep his birth certificate a secret.
Yep, the progressives would be all over it.
It would be front page news every single day.
Well, now we have an admitted pot and cocaine user and Obamahhh gets a total pass.
My guess is that the certificate is extremely embarrassing in some way.
I was thinking...shouldn’t there be a requirement that a presidential candidate produce either a valid birth certificate or prove (if born outside the US) that his mother was over the required age to be considered eligible?
What documents are being sought? Is it just the birth certificate?
Does this also bring into question his qualification to be a US Senator? If he is not a US citizen I would not expect him to be qualified. If he were a naturalized citizen I am not sure. Does anyone know the law in this area?
He could say that Obama is needlessly tying up the court system and the judges time by introducing all these motions instead of just producing the documentation that “I know” he has.
If stonewalling and tying up the court system is the way he would run the Presidency he has no business being President.
Senators don’t have to be natural born citizens.
I am confused. Is Begr trying to do one or the other or both:
1. Obama was really born in Kenya to American woman. Is he a citizen.
2. Obama left America for Indonesia, became an Indo citizen losing his US citizenship. Never filed the paperwork to become a citizen again. The mother would also have lost her US citizenship if she became a Indo citizen???
Is Berg trying to go down both paths or one or the other?
What We Do Know:
The birth certificate copy Obama provided that they supposedly got from Hawaii is a crude fake. Berg wants a full vault copy. Obama is hiding the fact he:
a. Was not born in the USA.
b. He is an Indonesian citizen and an illegal alien.
I hope Berg can win this. He has a lot of guts.
Or Obama’s original opponent in his US Senate race, Jack Ryan. Ryan was forced to release embarassing details tha twere sealed in his divorce proceedings. After the info was released, he dropped out and Alan Keyes had to be recruited to take his place on the Republican ticket to face Barry. Two sets of rules, one for the Messiah and the other for the uncleansed masses.
Just think how aggressively the media went after the Watergate break-in, and compare that to the myriad of stories about Obama they haven't pursued. Unbelievable.
Maybe he was born a woman?
Unless I'm mistaken, the judge already ordered Obama to turn over the birth certificate, and Obama is fighting that order. A third party has also asked to join Berg and has asked that, because Obama is obviously trying to stall it until after the election, the judge directly order all relevant government agencies to not only turn over all documentation, but investigate the issue. No ruling yet that I'm aware of regarding this last request.
MM (in TX)
When considering the importance of this issue to the American people, you’d think someone in the government would step in and handle this.
Ploease keep in mind REPUBLICANS don’t have the cajones to bring up issues, we are only hearing about Ayers because McCain is behind.
It may have had something to do with the age of his mother being too young, IIRC...
Why wouldn't Hillary, the All Knowing All Powerful Mistress of the Dark Forces, be all over that as well?
The Constitution, and the law, only restrict the Presidency to natural born citizens. Naturalized citizens can be Congressmen, Senators, Governators, etc.
What happened to the motion to dismiss? Still in limbo?
To me, that is the most telling argument. Obama has himself written that he has seen his original birth certificate.
It has to do with following the Constitution in showing that you are a natural born citizen. There should be no problem producing the documentation if he was.
Meanwhile he is tying up the court system with all these motions. I think this is fodder for McCain to use.
Why is Obama fighting this so hard?
there were two other items requested in the lawsuit. It is an interesting read!
“My guess is that the certificate is extremely embarrassing in some way. “
That’s been my guess from day one. But it still doesn’t explain why Hillary didn’t use it. “Embarrassing” would have helped her, too.
I think the COLB will show his middle name is Muhammad, not Hussein.
Or even is first name is Muhammad.
Here is the difference:
To stand for election as Senator:
No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.
To stand for election as President:
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
A naturalized citizen, ie., one who was not born a U.S. citizen but has since obtained citizenship, may run for the Senate, so long as he is not younger than 30 and does live within the state he wishes to represent. (Same for Representative, but for age, 25, and years of citizenship, seven). Not so for the presidency, one must be BORN a U.S. citizen, not naturalized via citizenship process.
He has the same 2 middle names as his half-brother George.
From my understanding Berg is a Clinton supporter. Don’t think Hillary could get any traction on the story either. Bill has even questioned Obama’s Constitutional qualifications before.
I would, but, I am here in Afghanistan Indian country kicking theirs, trying to protect mine.
Well....not now. But she could have when she was still in the race.
Hillary can’t take on the DNC who so love the Obama one. If she did it would be over for her! This Berg happens to be a Hillary backer and I think there is more behind the scenes.
Thanks for the reply. So it seems that if Obama got Indonesian citizenship when adopted by his step father, it would not be a problem in his Senate position if he became a naturalized US citizen when he was sent to live with his grandparents.
I wonder what the issues would be if he were a natural born US citizen, became an Indonesian citizen upon his adoption, then became a naturalized citizen upon coming back to the USA?
Today I read that anyone can get a COLB from Hawaii for their kids if they were a resident of the state at any time whether their kid was born there or not. So presenting a valid COLB on Obama’s part would not be enough, it has to be the long form. And even then there’s the Indonesian question. As everyone else is asking, where is the msm? What a one-sided joke they are.
The story Berg is leanign on seems to be that Obama’s mother was 18, and 9 mo pregnant when she accompanied his father to Kenya. When they went to get on plane, she was denied due to ready to deliver...she got on plane right after delivery and went to Hawaii...filed birth certificate.
There is a birth certificate in Kenya same DB, and Obama family members claim he was born in Kenya..that’s the debate of forgery..
The “forged” Birth Certificate, on bottom has a file date of 4 days later than birthday. That means Obama is concerned about something...maybe a paper filled out at time and on file in courthouse of county his mother said he was born in,,,,who knows..if it’s legit or not...but if he was born in Hawaii..WHY NOT JUST GIVE THEM A CERTIFIED BIRTH CERTIFICATE FROM THE REGISTRAR OF DEEDS OR COUNTY CLERK IN THAT DISTRICT???
I’m wonderin’ what the ‘bona fides’ were that Obama used to prove his (at least) nine year citizenship in order to get into the US Senate.......or maybe he was just taken at his word and no one checked.
including but not limited to: 1) a certified copy of Obamas vault (original long version) Birth Certificate; and (2) a certified copy of Obamas Certificate of Citizenship; and (3) a certified copy of the Oath of Allegiance taken by Obama taken at the age of majority
I bet there is no oath of allegiance he would have to have that at age 18 in order to re-establish US citizenship. There probably is no US birth certificate either as he was born in Kenya. I think the way I understand it is that he lost his US citizenship on adoption by an Indonesian but could
regain it at 18 with an oath of allegiance.
If this ends up the way it plays out, then the $64,000 question, eh? Reading through these threads, it's my understanding that he had to renounce his U.S. citizenship in order to obtain the Indonesian. Is this enough of a technicality to deny the ability to meet the Constitutional requirement, since it would mean that he would have to become a naturalized citizen after that fact, as you say, even though he had been previously qualified? This should be decided by the Supreme Court at any rate, put to the justices: shall any natural born U.S. citizen, upon renouncing his citizenship, thereafter re-gaining through the citizenship process, still meet the Constitutional requirement to stand for election as President?
It's that official renunciation that has me thinking no, but I'm not on the Court, so my opinion is only that, my opinion.
Because the law in Hawaii restricts who may obtain such copies, without a court order that is. You basically have to be the person concerned, or a close relative.
My best guess, yes, it is taken for granted. I would tend to think that unless you show some serious evidence that you don't meet the Constitutional requirements, no one really questions it. Look at how we let the carpet-baggers get away with the residence requirement, "Hey, move here today, run for Senate or House tomorrow!"
However this ends up, I do hope it puts into effect some manner of verification for every office, not just the presidency. As with all this voter fraud going on, it looks like people are finally taking a serious interest in this whole business.
Important to remember that Obama-mesiah himself AGGRESSIVELY used legal tactics to have his opponents removed from the ballott.
He was so successful in this regard that:
(a) he had at least four (4) people removed from the ballot(mostly by invalidating signatures on their petitions)
(b) effectively has NEVER run for ANY office opposed
One side notes — one of the people Obama had removed from the ballot in IL was former State Senator Alice Palmer (his former boss and political patron/mentor)— nice way to treat your friends Bambi...
“Maybe he was born a woman?”
Or that he starred in a 80’s sitcom as Urkel
...or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,...
His worshipers would believe it and not question it at all.
He could challenge the votes for the adoption of the Constitution and claim the alternate clause!
Considering their ability to comprehend simple English via their insistent understanding of Amendment II ... methinks you are not far off the mark.
Obama worshippers would believe it.
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