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Berg vs Obama: Berg Files Response to Defense Motion for Protective Order
Americas Right ^ | 10/09/2008 | Jeff Schrieber

Posted on 10/09/2008 10:24:07 AM PDT by NoobRep

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1 posted on 10/09/2008 10:24:08 AM PDT by NoobRep
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To: NoobRep

Just imagine if it were a Republican trying to keep his birth certificate a secret.


2 posted on 10/09/2008 10:26:14 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: cvq3842

Yep, the progressives would be all over it.


3 posted on 10/09/2008 10:28:35 AM PDT by MtnClimber (http://www.jeffhead.com/obama/nobamanation-sticker.jpg)
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To: cvq3842

It would be front page news every single day.


4 posted on 10/09/2008 10:28:35 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: cvq3842
Remember how Big Media went after George Bush over his drinking and alleged cocaine use?

Well, now we have an admitted pot and cocaine user and Obamahhh gets a total pass.

5 posted on 10/09/2008 10:29:37 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: cvq3842
I am beginning to think that he is a citizen, because if he was not, Hillary would have been all over it to get the nomination.

My guess is that the certificate is extremely embarrassing in some way.

6 posted on 10/09/2008 10:29:51 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Some days it is not worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: NoobRep

I was thinking...shouldn’t there be a requirement that a presidential candidate produce either a valid birth certificate or prove (if born outside the US) that his mother was over the required age to be considered eligible?


7 posted on 10/09/2008 10:29:53 AM PDT by Longstreet63 (Che Guevara is a genocidal hero of the ignorant...)
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To: cvq3842

What documents are being sought? Is it just the birth certificate?


8 posted on 10/09/2008 10:30:13 AM PDT by yooling (The MSM is to Obama as Ron Santo is to the Cubs)
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To: pissant

Does this also bring into question his qualification to be a US Senator? If he is not a US citizen I would not expect him to be qualified. If he were a naturalized citizen I am not sure. Does anyone know the law in this area?


9 posted on 10/09/2008 10:32:20 AM PDT by MtnClimber (http://www.jeffhead.com/obama/nobamanation-sticker.jpg)
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To: cvq3842
I think McCain could bring this up in the debate.

He could say that Obama is needlessly tying up the court system and the judges time by introducing all these motions instead of just producing the documentation that “I know” he has.

If stonewalling and tying up the court system is the way he would run the Presidency he has no business being President.

10 posted on 10/09/2008 10:35:36 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: MtnClimber

Senators don’t have to be natural born citizens.


11 posted on 10/09/2008 10:41:24 AM PDT by NoobRep
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To: Parley Baer

I am confused. Is Begr trying to do one or the other or both:

1. Obama was really born in Kenya to American woman. Is he a citizen.

or

2. Obama left America for Indonesia, became an Indo citizen losing his US citizenship. Never filed the paperwork to become a citizen again. The mother would also have lost her US citizenship if she became a Indo citizen???

Is Berg trying to go down both paths or one or the other?

What We Do Know:
The birth certificate copy Obama provided that they supposedly got from Hawaii is a crude fake. Berg wants a full vault copy. Obama is hiding the fact he:
a. Was not born in the USA.
b. He is an Indonesian citizen and an illegal alien.

I hope Berg can win this. He has a lot of guts.


12 posted on 10/09/2008 10:43:18 AM PDT by Frantzie
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To: cvq3842

Or Obama’s original opponent in his US Senate race, Jack Ryan. Ryan was forced to release embarassing details tha twere sealed in his divorce proceedings. After the info was released, he dropped out and Alan Keyes had to be recruited to take his place on the Republican ticket to face Barry. Two sets of rules, one for the Messiah and the other for the uncleansed masses.


13 posted on 10/09/2008 10:44:49 AM PDT by milwguy (........)
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To: NoobRep
There has to be something to this. I'm not sure what, but something. Otherwise it would have been thrown out before ever getting to this stage. Also, why on Earth would the Obama campaign be spending time and money on a court case they could make go away by simply producing a legitimate document. And, if someone would lie about their eligibility to run for President, how can they possibly be trusted with national secrets?

Just think how aggressively the media went after the Watergate break-in, and compare that to the myriad of stories about Obama they haven't pursued. Unbelievable.

14 posted on 10/09/2008 10:45:14 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

Maybe he was born a woman?


15 posted on 10/09/2008 10:45:29 AM PDT by refermech
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To: yooling
What documents are being sought? Is it just the birth certificate?

Unless I'm mistaken, the judge already ordered Obama to turn over the birth certificate, and Obama is fighting that order. A third party has also asked to join Berg and has asked that, because Obama is obviously trying to stall it until after the election, the judge directly order all relevant government agencies to not only turn over all documentation, but investigate the issue. No ruling yet that I'm aware of regarding this last request.

MM (in TX)

16 posted on 10/09/2008 10:47:12 AM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: refermech

Bingo!


17 posted on 10/09/2008 10:48:16 AM PDT by grobdriver (Let the embeds check the bodies!)
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To: NoobRep

When considering the importance of this issue to the American people, you’d think someone in the government would step in and handle this.


18 posted on 10/09/2008 10:48:31 AM PDT by RC2
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To: pissant

Ploease keep in mind REPUBLICANS don’t have the cajones to bring up issues, we are only hearing about Ayers because McCain is behind.


19 posted on 10/09/2008 10:48:39 AM PDT by Williams (It's The Policies, Stupid.)
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To: Frantzie

It may have had something to do with the age of his mother being too young, IIRC...


20 posted on 10/09/2008 10:51:14 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick
I am beginning to think that he is a citizen, because if he was not, Hillary would have been all over it to get the nomination.

My guess is that the certificate is extremely embarrassing in some way.

Why wouldn't Hillary, the All Knowing All Powerful Mistress of the Dark Forces, be all over that as well?

21 posted on 10/09/2008 10:51:45 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: MtnClimber
Does this also bring into question his qualification to be a US Senator? If he is not a US citizen I would not expect him to be qualified. If he were a naturalized citizen I am not sure. Does anyone know the law in this area?

The Constitution, and the law, only restrict the Presidency to natural born citizens. Naturalized citizens can be Congressmen, Senators, Governators, etc.

22 posted on 10/09/2008 10:53:53 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: NoobRep

What happened to the motion to dismiss? Still in limbo?


23 posted on 10/09/2008 10:55:03 AM PDT by devere
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
why on Earth would the Obama campaign be spending time and money on a court case they could make go away by simply producing a legitimate document

To me, that is the most telling argument. Obama has himself written that he has seen his original birth certificate.

24 posted on 10/09/2008 10:55:55 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Frantzie

It has to do with following the Constitution in showing that you are a natural born citizen. There should be no problem producing the documentation if he was.

Meanwhile he is tying up the court system with all these motions. I think this is fodder for McCain to use.


25 posted on 10/09/2008 10:56:06 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: NoobRep

Why is Obama fighting this so hard?


26 posted on 10/09/2008 10:56:21 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: yooling

there were two other items requested in the lawsuit. It is an interesting read!


27 posted on 10/09/2008 10:57:43 AM PDT by GOPPachyderm
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

“My guess is that the certificate is extremely embarrassing in some way. “

That’s been my guess from day one. But it still doesn’t explain why Hillary didn’t use it. “Embarrassing” would have helped her, too.


28 posted on 10/09/2008 10:57:56 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick
My two cents:

I think the COLB will show his middle name is Muhammad, not Hussein.

Or even is first name is Muhammad.

29 posted on 10/09/2008 10:58:21 AM PDT by mojito
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To: MtnClimber
Does this also bring into question his qualification to be a US Senator? If he is not a US citizen I would not expect him to be qualified. If he were a naturalized citizen I am not sure. Does anyone know the law in this area?

Here is the difference:

To stand for election as Senator:

No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.

To stand for election as President:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

A naturalized citizen, ie., one who was not born a U.S. citizen but has since obtained citizenship, may run for the Senate, so long as he is not younger than 30 and does live within the state he wishes to represent. (Same for Representative, but for age, 25, and years of citizenship, seven). Not so for the presidency, one must be BORN a U.S. citizen, not naturalized via citizenship process.

30 posted on 10/09/2008 10:58:51 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

He has the same 2 middle names as his half-brother George.


31 posted on 10/09/2008 11:03:39 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: Lee'sGhost

From my understanding Berg is a Clinton supporter. Don’t think Hillary could get any traction on the story either. Bill has even questioned Obama’s Constitutional qualifications before.


32 posted on 10/09/2008 11:03:46 AM PDT by gulf1609
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To: Frantzie
Why can't someone go directly to Hawaii Secretary of State and get a true copy of the original certified copy of the birth certificate?

I would, but, I am here in Afghanistan Indian country kicking theirs, trying to protect mine.

33 posted on 10/09/2008 11:05:22 AM PDT by paratrooper82 (82 Airborne 1/508th BN "fury from the sky")
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To: gulf1609

Well....not now. But she could have when she was still in the race.


34 posted on 10/09/2008 11:07:57 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: El Gato

Hillary can’t take on the DNC who so love the Obama one. If she did it would be over for her! This Berg happens to be a Hillary backer and I think there is more behind the scenes.


35 posted on 10/09/2008 11:11:07 AM PDT by nclaurel (No white flags from America in Iraq--hear that Biden!)
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To: MozarkDawg

Thanks for the reply. So it seems that if Obama got Indonesian citizenship when adopted by his step father, it would not be a problem in his Senate position if he became a naturalized US citizen when he was sent to live with his grandparents.

I wonder what the issues would be if he were a natural born US citizen, became an Indonesian citizen upon his adoption, then became a naturalized citizen upon coming back to the USA?


36 posted on 10/09/2008 11:12:24 AM PDT by MtnClimber (http://www.jeffhead.com/obama/nobamanation-sticker.jpg)
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Today I read that anyone can get a COLB from Hawaii for their kids if they were a resident of the state at any time whether their kid was born there or not. So presenting a valid COLB on Obama’s part would not be enough, it has to be the long form. And even then there’s the Indonesian question. As everyone else is asking, where is the msm? What a one-sided joke they are.


37 posted on 10/09/2008 11:12:52 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: El Gato

The story Berg is leanign on seems to be that Obama’s mother was 18, and 9 mo pregnant when she accompanied his father to Kenya. When they went to get on plane, she was denied due to ready to deliver...she got on plane right after delivery and went to Hawaii...filed birth certificate.
There is a birth certificate in Kenya same DB, and Obama family members claim he was born in Kenya..that’s the debate of forgery..
The “forged” Birth Certificate, on bottom has a file date of 4 days later than birthday. That means Obama is concerned about something...maybe a paper filled out at time and on file in courthouse of county his mother said he was born in,,,,who knows..if it’s legit or not...but if he was born in Hawaii..WHY NOT JUST GIVE THEM A CERTIFIED BIRTH CERTIFICATE FROM THE REGISTRAR OF DEEDS OR COUNTY CLERK IN THAT DISTRICT???


38 posted on 10/09/2008 11:15:49 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: MozarkDawg

I’m wonderin’ what the ‘bona fides’ were that Obama used to prove his (at least) nine year citizenship in order to get into the US Senate.......or maybe he was just taken at his word and no one checked.


39 posted on 10/09/2008 11:16:37 AM PDT by Roccus (POLITICIAN.....................A four letter word spelled with ten letters.)
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To: yooling

Here:

including but not limited to: 1) a certified copy of Obama’s “vault” (original long version) Birth Certificate; and (2) a certified copy of Obama’s Certificate of Citizenship; and (3) a certified copy of the Oath of Allegiance taken by Obama taken at the age of majority


40 posted on 10/09/2008 11:19:37 AM PDT by GOPPachyderm
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To: MississippiMan

I bet there is no oath of allegiance he would have to have that at age 18 in order to re-establish US citizenship. There probably is no US birth certificate either as he was born in Kenya. I think the way I understand it is that he lost his US citizenship on adoption by an Indonesian but could
regain it at 18 with an oath of allegiance.


41 posted on 10/09/2008 11:22:47 AM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: MtnClimber
I wonder what the issues would be if he were a natural born US citizen, became an Indonesian citizen upon his adoption, then became a naturalized citizen upon coming back to the USA?

If this ends up the way it plays out, then the $64,000 question, eh? Reading through these threads, it's my understanding that he had to renounce his U.S. citizenship in order to obtain the Indonesian. Is this enough of a technicality to deny the ability to meet the Constitutional requirement, since it would mean that he would have to become a naturalized citizen after that fact, as you say, even though he had been previously qualified? This should be decided by the Supreme Court at any rate, put to the justices: shall any natural born U.S. citizen, upon renouncing his citizenship, thereafter re-gaining through the citizenship process, still meet the Constitutional requirement to stand for election as President?

It's that official renunciation that has me thinking no, but I'm not on the Court, so my opinion is only that, my opinion.

42 posted on 10/09/2008 11:27:41 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: paratrooper82
Why can't someone go directly to Hawaii Secretary of State and get a true copy of the original certified copy of the birth certificate?

Because the law in Hawaii restricts who may obtain such copies, without a court order that is. You basically have to be the person concerned, or a close relative.

43 posted on 10/09/2008 11:33:09 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Roccus
I’m wonderin’ what the ‘bona fides’ were that Obama used to prove his (at least) nine year citizenship in order to get into the US Senate.......or maybe he was just taken at his word and no one checked.

My best guess, yes, it is taken for granted. I would tend to think that unless you show some serious evidence that you don't meet the Constitutional requirements, no one really questions it. Look at how we let the carpet-baggers get away with the residence requirement, "Hey, move here today, run for Senate or House tomorrow!"

However this ends up, I do hope it puts into effect some manner of verification for every office, not just the presidency. As with all this voter fraud going on, it looks like people are finally taking a serious interest in this whole business.

44 posted on 10/09/2008 11:35:17 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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Important to remember that Obama-mesiah himself AGGRESSIVELY used legal tactics to have his opponents removed from the ballott.

He was so successful in this regard that:
(a) he had at least four (4) people removed from the ballot(mostly by invalidating signatures on their petitions)
(b) effectively has NEVER run for ANY office opposed

One side notes — one of the people Obama had removed from the ballot in IL was former State Senator Alice Palmer (his former boss and political patron/mentor)— nice way to treat your friends Bambi...


45 posted on 10/09/2008 11:35:42 AM PDT by NYC_BULLMOOSE
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To: refermech

“Maybe he was born a woman?”

Or that he starred in a 80’s sitcom as Urkel


46 posted on 10/09/2008 11:38:44 AM PDT by Cyman
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To: MozarkDawg
One approach to answering the question about his natural born status would be to stipulate that he was not a natural born citizen, but is covered under the alternate clause, i.e.:

...or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,...

His worshipers would believe it and not question it at all.

47 posted on 10/09/2008 11:39:55 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: 17th Miss Regt

He could challenge the votes for the adoption of the Constitution and claim the alternate clause!


48 posted on 10/09/2008 11:43:25 AM PDT by MtnClimber (http://www.jeffhead.com/obama/nobamanation-sticker.jpg)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Considering their ability to comprehend simple English via their insistent understanding of Amendment II ... methinks you are not far off the mark.


49 posted on 10/09/2008 11:50:33 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: MtnClimber
In fact, the constitution specified that the ratification of 2/3 of the states sufficed to activate the constitution. But then the rest did not get to vote before activation. This was discriminatory because four states were thereby disenfranchised. And 37 states never got the opportunity to vote on ratification. This is not democracy! This is dictatorship of the many by the few! The constitution is therefore illegitimate and the 'natural born' restriction should not apply.

Obama worshippers would believe it.

50 posted on 10/09/2008 11:56:18 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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