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Bad news for McCain in Colorado Springs, Times blogger finds
coloradoindependent.com ^ | October 9, 2008 | Ernest Luning

Posted on 10/09/2008 6:11:38 PM PDT by lowbridge

A New York Times blogger discovers the news is not good for John McCain in Colorado Springs, where a lifelong Republican on the city council says she is abandoning her party’s nominee to vote for Barack Obama this year. Further endangering McCain’s prospects in Colorado’s largest Republican stronghold, the pastor who replaced former GOP heavyweight Ted Haggard leading one of the city’s largest mega-churches is staying on the sidelines, urging his flock to vote “for any political party.”

Seattle-based Timothy Egan visited Colorado Springs, dubbed “the Vatican of evangelical political power,” after the second presidential debate and comes to one conclusion: “My friends: it’s not good for Senator McCain.”

(Excerpt) Read more at coloradoindependent.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: co2008; colorado; coloradosprings; johnmccain; mccain; propagandawingofdnc; swingstates
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http://egan.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/my-own-private-focus-group/

I looked up Jan Martin and found her involved with the local chapter of the ACLU and attending a party held by the Gay and Lesbian fund and is a member of the Citizens Project. Pretty much a RINO

Citizens Project works to defend public education against religious incursions such as teaching creationism, and against efforts at privatization such as vouchers.

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Gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, and questioning people continue to face unfair discrimination in housing, employment and public accommodation. Citizens Project believes the principle that “all men are created equal” as stated in the U.S. Constitution will never be faithfully upheld while it remains legal to discriminate against people because of who they are. Objections to GLBT civil rights come from religious doctrine, and our nation is founded on laws and principles, not on any particular religious faith.

1 posted on 10/09/2008 6:11:38 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

Oh no ! the worlds going to end.


2 posted on 10/09/2008 6:13:20 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (THE NEW MILLIONAIRES CLUB : YOUR FRIENDLY NIEGHBORHOOD CONGRESSMEN)
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To: lowbridge

As a citizen of Colorado Springs, let me say that the chances of this having ANY impact on the election is close to zero.


3 posted on 10/09/2008 6:13:38 PM PDT by wireplay
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To: lowbridge

This is not bad news but good news!!! Get the cancerous lefties out of our party now!!!

Thanks for doing the due diligence in looking her up.


4 posted on 10/09/2008 6:14:41 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Sarahcuda = the dems worst nightmare)
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To: lowbridge

HA HA! Debunked! That’s why I love the FR!


5 posted on 10/09/2008 6:14:59 PM PDT by CommieCutter (I'm voting for Sarah.......and that other guy.)
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To: lowbridge

oh boy, a councilman from small Mid-Western state has decided to vote for Obama. I guess that’s it. May as well throw in the towel and give up.


6 posted on 10/09/2008 6:16:22 PM PDT by purplelobster
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To: lowbridge

I’ve found lots of “life long conservatives” who are abandoning McCain’s “tax raising”, “big government” policies in favor of Obama’s “tax cutting”, “smaller government” approach.

Somehow I don’t believe them....


7 posted on 10/09/2008 6:16:22 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Obama for President!)
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To: lowbridge
I looked into Jan Martin. She is NOT a Republican. She is a 58 year old single woman who describes herself as open-minded and progressive. She says she is ‘moderate to liberal’. Did she run as a Republican??
8 posted on 10/09/2008 6:17:41 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: lowbridge

Thanks for clarifying what I suspected.


9 posted on 10/09/2008 6:17:46 PM PDT by Snapping Turtle (Slow down and get a grip!)
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To: lowbridge

Whoop tee doo. Who cares? Never heard of her.


10 posted on 10/09/2008 6:18:19 PM PDT by dforest (Is there any good idea out there that Obama doesn't lay claim to anymore?)
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To: lowbridge

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=c32d9487-3880-467a-8c1e-d7a80580817e

good news in MN:)


11 posted on 10/09/2008 6:18:32 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Lipstick wearing Okie Moosehead!)
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To: lowbridge

Yeah right. Oh did I ever tell you that I’m a long time Democrat, but I’m thinking of voting republican because I don’t trust Obama?


12 posted on 10/09/2008 6:18:56 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: wireplay
As a citizen of Colorado Springs let me concur with your well stated opinion. This storyline is pure malarkey!

El Paso County is home to Colorado Springs and will overwhelmingly go for McCain-Palin. In the 65% range.

Just for the record, the Independent newspaper is a liberal rag given away for free and best used as bird cage liner.

13 posted on 10/09/2008 6:19:54 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: lowbridge

The Independent is the far to the left rag in Colorado Springs. They are dreaming.


14 posted on 10/09/2008 6:20:02 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: wireplay
Maybe it has no direct impact, but it is indicative of what is happening all across the country.

McCain has not been able to frame, in clear and simple terms, how conservative ideals (particularly on economics and foreign policy) stave off the types of problems we are seeing and how ideals such as those espoused by Obama led to our present difficulties at home and abroad. Palin can do it, but she has not had enough time to learn the verbal ropes. She is clear, but she does not speak with the authority of a Reagan or a Goldwater.

I, myself, believe that they ought to put Palin as the lead figure in commercials and turn it into a Palin vs. Obama battle. We would still put the man with experience in office and who would save our independence and our constitution.

But lacking this type of clarity, RINOs are going to be free to forsake their conservative constituents.

McVey

15 posted on 10/09/2008 6:21:04 PM PDT by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: lowbridge

hahahah! Colorda springs? They had to look really hard to find someone to interview for this puff piece.


16 posted on 10/09/2008 6:21:26 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: lowbridge

“A New York Times blogger discovers...”

Well...that says it all. This story is bunk, nothing more that a weak attempt at a scare tactic. Colorado Springs will hold up its end of the conservative vote.

And, you can take that to the bank.


17 posted on 10/09/2008 6:22:17 PM PDT by Balata (NObama-NObiden)
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To: wireplay

Wow - they found TWO whole people in Colorado Springs who don’t support McCain - Blow the trumpets! ( I just got back from there, beautiful place)


18 posted on 10/09/2008 6:22:50 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: lowbridge

Liberal talking point#2 Start every sentence of a political nature with: “Even though I am a LIFELONG Republican I won’t be supporting my party because.....”


19 posted on 10/09/2008 6:25:29 PM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: originalbuckeye
. Did she run as a Republican??

I don't know. I'm not familiar with Colorado Springs.

20 posted on 10/09/2008 6:26:49 PM PDT by lowbridge (Biden is an expert on almost every subject that has ever come before the Congress. -Linda Douglass)
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To: lowbridge

roflmao!


21 posted on 10/09/2008 6:27:21 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: lowbridge

McCain needs this kind of attack:

“Where are Obama’s college transcripts and writings, that we might evaluate his formative years?”

“Where are Obamas’s executive qualifications, given that he gained office unopposed, and has initiated no meaningful legislation?”

“Should we place more confidence in his liberal voting record of raising taxes and undermining national defense, or should we believe his pandering campaign rhetoric?”

“Not a record to be trusted in these challenging times!”


22 posted on 10/09/2008 6:27:41 PM PDT by G Larry ("Disgust" is a valid expression!-Vote Family Values!)
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To: mcvey

Well, I voted for Palin. She brings some baggage with her but I will tolerate it for now.


23 posted on 10/09/2008 6:27:54 PM PDT by wireplay
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To: lowbridge

are there conservatives in the springs?

yes. they named the freeway coming into town from poo-A-blow,

the ronald reagan freeway.


24 posted on 10/09/2008 6:29:16 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: LeonardFMason

We hear them all the time on talk radio. They’re called seminar callers.


25 posted on 10/09/2008 6:29:58 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: mcvey
Well, it seems to me that is addition by subtraction, especially if Haggard is off the stage, the man fell and lost all credibility.

I suspect that Egan is saying that publicly but someone else is working privately and quietly.

As for the councilwoman...whatever....

26 posted on 10/09/2008 6:30:16 PM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: mcvey

*She is a 58 year old single woman who describes herself as open-minded and progressive. She says she is ‘moderate to liberal’*
Does she sound like someone who would be a conservative? I doubt McCain could appeal to her and Palin never would. It is good that she has found her own. If she attends gay parties she would like be more in tune with Democrats and that is not to knock Log Cabin Republicans, but she is likely not conservative.


27 posted on 10/09/2008 6:30:32 PM PDT by nclaurel (No white flags from America in Iraq--hear that Biden!)
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To: lowbridge

I have never before seen so much furious paddling beneath the water by the left to try to create an atmosphere of defeat for Republicans, in the hope that we’ll be stupid enough to believe them and give up. That’s all this is, all any of it is. No, I don’t think McCain has this won, and I don’t think he’s lost it. I think it’s too close to call. They are doing things like this, the ACORN fraud, to gain whatever edge they can. I believe it’s going to be a small margin of victory for whichever candidate wins, and the left is not above any means of securing that margin, no matter how unethical or even illegal (as long as they can get away with it). They probably are also scared of the “Bradley effect”, and trying to overcome that also. It probably makes them particularly angry and frustrated because it can’t be accurately measured.


28 posted on 10/09/2008 6:31:16 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Reagan Man

You forgot to tell us that one of the Independent’s reporters, Cara DeGette, is the sister of the only “human” able to replace Patricia Schroeder; Diana DeGette.

I’m a former CS resident....now in gangland California.


29 posted on 10/09/2008 6:31:45 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Legal Plunder - the goal of the Zero cult)
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To: I got the rope

People who are exactly that keep telling me that: Lifelong Democrats either:

1) voting McCain
2) not voting Obama


30 posted on 10/09/2008 6:33:37 PM PDT by ROTB (Our Constitution [is] for a [Christian] people. It is wholly inadequate [for] any other. -John Adams)
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To: wireplay

one of my best friends lives in CS and believe me, she’s voting for McC.....


31 posted on 10/09/2008 6:34:12 PM PDT by BamaDi (John McCain /Sarah Palin - my choice for President /VP and the USA's only option!)
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To: ROTB

I’m getting lots of people telling me they are voting third party. Liberals are telling me they will vote for Nader. Is he even running?


32 posted on 10/09/2008 6:36:20 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: lowbridge

that’s ok - just found out a friend of mine in Colorado - a nonpolitical who only votes in presidential elections and is usually undecided up until 2-3 days before each election, is voting McCain...

So, that’s one undecided that is now in the McCain camp!! (she saw the Socialist article today and the Kenya video and she’s now 100% in McCain’s camp)


33 posted on 10/09/2008 6:37:40 PM PDT by KeatsforFirstDog
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To: BamaDi

I’m in CS - I only see McCain/Palin signs in my neighborhood. All my co-workers are voting Republican.


34 posted on 10/09/2008 6:38:11 PM PDT by rdax
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To: lowbridge

gee, I’m really surprised.

Good riddance.


35 posted on 10/09/2008 6:38:29 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (McCAIN/PALIN...THE CHANGE AMERICANS REALLY WANT—OBAMA..THE CHANGE THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS WANT)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

Colorado Springs will go REpublican.. That is one of the largest areas of Conservative Christian in the country. Home of Focus on The Family!


36 posted on 10/09/2008 6:38:40 PM PDT by pollywog (I will lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help. My help comes from the Lord...Ps 121)
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To: Loud Mime

The DeGette sisters -— yeah that too. LOL


37 posted on 10/09/2008 6:39:01 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Reagan Man

Bless FR.


38 posted on 10/09/2008 6:40:23 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (McCAIN/PALIN...THE CHANGE AMERICANS REALLY WANT—OBAMA..THE CHANGE THE WORLD'S TERRORISTS WANT)
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To: lowbridge

The Obama/NYT campaign didn’t send a reporter all the way to Colorado to write about GOOD news for McCain...


39 posted on 10/09/2008 6:40:40 PM PDT by Interesting Times (For the truth about "swiftboating" see ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: mcvey
indicative of what is happening all across the country

What data do you have to support this assertion? I doubt it "is happening all across the country" but I'd believe facts and figures if you have them. If not, forget it.

40 posted on 10/09/2008 6:41:20 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: All

My brother inlaw says that the springs has been flooded with Californians..fleeing the ship they have been drilling holes in for years...


41 posted on 10/09/2008 6:42:11 PM PDT by uncle fenders
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To: lowbridge

The Independent is a leftwing weekly throwaway rag.

Don’t worry about El Paso County/Colorado Springs. We’ll be in the right column on Election Day.


42 posted on 10/09/2008 6:42:26 PM PDT by Columbine
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To: Reagan Man

LOL, nice report. Little parakeets throughout the area will be doing the right thing to this paper’s headlines tonight.


43 posted on 10/09/2008 6:42:57 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Is Obamanation what our founding fathers, our fallen men in combat, and Ronald Reagan had in mind?)
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To: lowbridge

I would hardly say she was ever a McCain supporter or supporter of anything sane.


44 posted on 10/09/2008 6:43:46 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: I got the rope

Yes, and I love the handle.


45 posted on 10/09/2008 6:45:02 PM PDT by ROTB (Our Constitution [is] for a [Christian] people. It is wholly inadequate [for] any other. -John Adams)
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To: ronnie raygun

Another RINO surfaces in conservative Colorado Springd! Vote her out!


46 posted on 10/09/2008 6:45:45 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge)
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To: wireplay
As a citizen of Colorado Springs

With this much free fertilizer, you should have very green yards next spring.

47 posted on 10/09/2008 6:48:50 PM PDT by tbpiper (I don't need no steeenking Marxist Messiah)
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To: Tzimisce

And hot is cold, and good is evil. When did Obama ever espound tax cuts or small government?


48 posted on 10/09/2008 6:50:31 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge)
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To: lowbridge
One question. How can anybody who has even a minuscule tie to the Republican party, ever vote for Obama. One would assume that to be a Republican assumes, at the very least, affinity for values that include the free market, national security and social morality. How then, can anyone who has ever called themselves a Republican, turn around and decide that Barrack H. Obama is the better candidate? I know that it happens, but I just don't follow the logic.
49 posted on 10/09/2008 6:50:37 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: lowbridge

Now up to 20 ...

1) “Polls” that show Obama ahead tell a different story when internals are studied.

2) Hillary and Bill don’t want Obama to win, since she wants to run again in 2012

3) “Hussein” being Obama’s middle name is still news to most people.

4) A picture of Obama dressed as a Muslim (there are at least three) is still worth 1000 words (3000 in this case). Man your email station! Post bills!

5) The PUMAs who know the hows and whys of Hillary getting cheated, will vote Palin, and will pull others.

6) “Bitter ... [Gun Clingers]”, will vote McCain

7) The Palins ARE America and the conservative base. America and the conservative base will vote accordingly.

8) The NRA has “8 figures” of ads to unload in “swing” states

9) Obama is only 5 points up in New York! New York!

10) The Democrats were talking about Democratic consultants freaking out over Obama mis-managing his campaign before they settled into poll alteration.

11) The Enemedia is already spreading the meme that if Obama loses, it “is racism”. They see the tea leaves ...

12) The Media was calling the election for Kerry ELECTION MORNING in 2004, and Carter and Reagan polled evenly on election day! Also, www.InTrade.com had Kerry as an 80/20 favorite on election morning 2004. SOMEONE is trying to buffalo us!

13) McCain has not yet played either the Jeremiah Wright card nor the Tony Rezko card!

14) Plenty of white Democratic voters are unimpressed with Obama, and will not vote for him. Democrats can’t energize their base!

15) Obama has only 60% of the Jewish vote, compared to the 75% Kerry got.

16) The Christian base that re-elected Bush in 2004, knows Sarah is more than a Sunday Christian, and is praying for her.

17) McCain opened 50 offices in California. It’s in play!

18) Google “Bradley Effect”. Obama is getting poll votes he’ll never get on election day.

19) Operation Chaos resulted in an overlarge quantity of Democrat registrations that will never ever vote Democratic.

20) Polls are meant by the liberal media, to SHAPE public opinion, not report it.


50 posted on 10/09/2008 6:51:05 PM PDT by ROTB (Our Constitution [is] for a [Christian] people. It is wholly inadequate [for] any other. -John Adams)
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