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Was Ann Dunham Obama Soetoro the link to Ayres and Dorhn?
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Posted on 10/10/2008 7:46:18 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights

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How could Obama’s mother formally divorce someone that she wasn’t formally married to?


41 posted on 10/10/2008 10:29:13 AM PDT by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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To: ETL

Her high-school friends in Washington call her a “fellow-traveler.” I’ve always understood that phrase to apply to Communists who didn’t want to have give up all their free evenings to attend party meetings. I suspect she would have been in the “sure Stalin killed a lot of people, but that’s only because he was afraid of us; if we just gave Marxism a fair chance it would all work out” school of “thought.”


42 posted on 10/10/2008 10:36:35 AM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: nuconvert

I did a feeble attempt to research the firm Sidney, Austin in Chicago. Its unclear how manypeople worked there. However, it was prior to their giant merger.


43 posted on 10/10/2008 11:18:43 AM PDT by Gemsbok (Pledge to fight voter FRAUD (Acorn)(Obama) be a poll worker, watcher, observer:Get in their face!!!)
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To: Eva

I found this information on another FR thread and have lost the link (cleared my cache)

http://hoohiki1.courts.state.hi.us/jud/Hoohiki/JSAPM51F1.jsp;jsessionid=0000RRF1TA4A5WA0VXVDNAA5F1A:138m3ojd7

Case Title: STANLEY ANN SOETORO VS LOLO SOETORO
Initiation Date: 08-20-1980
Case Termination Date: 11-26-1988

That’s one long damned divorce.


44 posted on 10/10/2008 11:21:38 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (Stand up, Chuck)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Lolo Soetoro died in 1987 of a liver ailment.


45 posted on 10/10/2008 11:34:45 AM PDT by Chief Engineer
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Maybe it takes longer to divorce someone who was already married to someone else at the time of the marriage. So, when did Stanley Ann marry Soetoro?


46 posted on 10/10/2008 11:47:34 AM PDT by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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To: Chief Engineer

I am assuming the divorce was never finalized. Which is odd that it has been presented as such (Not earth shattering, just odd) It is an easy fact to confirm.

I have not read “Dreams of My Father” Did Obama say ‘divorced”?


47 posted on 10/10/2008 11:49:59 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (Stand Up Chuck!)
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To: Eva

The date I usually see is 1967


48 posted on 10/10/2008 11:57:18 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (Stand Up Chuck!)
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To: Eva

The date I usually see is 1967

Of course maybe the divorce aspect was campaign spin
from Wikipedia:

“...In the 1970s, as Dunham wished to return to work, Soetoro wanted more children. “He became more American,” she once said, “as she became more Javanese.”[2] Ann Dunham left Soetoro in 1972, returning to Hawaii and reuniting with her son Barack for several years. Soetoro and Dunham saw each other periodically in the 1970s when Dunham returned to Indonesia for her fieldwork[2] but did not live together again. They divorced in 1980.[14]...”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham


Perhaps it sounded better to the campaign than to say she left him.
(Sort of what Obama Sr. did to her)


49 posted on 10/10/2008 12:02:25 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (Stand Up Chuck!)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

If you want to get technical Ann also left Obama Sr. Many journalists automatically used Jr’s words from his book that Sr left when he was 2(1961 + 2 = 1963) and did the math but there is no evidence they ever lived together and Sr graduated with honors from UH of Manoa and left Hawaii June 22, 1962 while Ann at the time was in WA. Ann may have filed for divorce from Soetoro but the divorce was never finalized before Soetoro died in 1987.
There are conflicting dates for the Dunham/Soetoro marriage and again using Obama’s words we can guess the date was actually 1966 with Ann and Jr going to Indonesia in 1967. Soetoro had his visa revoked by the Indonesian government in 1966 and supposedly Ann and Jr stayed in HI getting needed immunizations and passports prior to following Soetoro to Indonesia.
More about Ann located here:(note what her friend says of Ann’s belief of marriage, also don’t try to find any Chicago Tribune stories that aren’t recent as they aren’t there!)

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/us/politics/14obama.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin


50 posted on 10/10/2008 12:28:41 PM PDT by Chief Engineer
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To: Chief Engineer

Who, if anyone, has the divorce papers dissolving the putative marriage between Stanley Ann and Barack Sr.?

So far as I know, they’ve never been made public.


51 posted on 10/10/2008 6:02:27 PM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

I was thinking some of the same things and I think this thread bears bumping.

IMHO Frank Davis is key to a link with Ayers. Everyone gets wrapped around with Obama’s father who was a total non factor in his upbringing.

The circles that Ann Dunham moved in were awfully close to SDS Weathermen types. It could be a real shock to find out how long Obama has really known Ayers. Maybe the 8 year old reference by Obama when he tries to explain away Ayers could be a Freudian slip.

I just listened to Freddosso’s book. He’s got Obama nailed - a strange brew of Radical politics mixed in with a Chicago/Cook County machine politician.


52 posted on 10/10/2008 6:28:33 PM PDT by Credo
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To: Philo-Junius

No divorce records have ever been found for a marriage between Ann and Obama Sr. The story goes that she filed for divorce in 1964 and Sr. signed them at Harvard. One problem with that is that a little known fact was released by the Boston Globe that Sr. actually returned home to Kenya from Harvard in 1964 and his M.A. was sent to him the following year. That information is found in this article:

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/09/21/a_fathers_charm_absence/

Which brings up another point in the above story that mentions Obama Sr. was stripped of his passport in 1969, so what passport did he use to visit HI for a month in 1971?


53 posted on 10/10/2008 6:41:43 PM PDT by Chief Engineer
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

ping


54 posted on 10/17/2008 7:32:41 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: Philo-Junius

Are they normally public record? IOW, could someone in Hawaii walk into the court house and ask to see them?


55 posted on 10/17/2008 8:13:43 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (Stand Up Chuck!)
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To: All

ping


56 posted on 10/31/2008 5:47:13 AM PDT by TinaJeannes
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To: Chief Engineer

BTT


57 posted on 01/03/2009 10:03:19 AM PST by stevestras
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To: All

Not only did Obama and Ayers work on the Woods fund board together, but on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge board as well, and later Obama was on the CPEF with Ayers’ father and brother. Obama knows his entire family.

“Obama began his CAC board chairmanship in early 1995, and stepped down from the chairmanship in late 1999, though he remained on the board until CAC phased itself out of existence in 2001. At that time, CAC handed over its remaining assets to a permanent new institution, the Chicago Public Education Fund. Obama served on this Fund’s “Leadership Council,” from 2001 through 2004, overlapping with council service by Bill Ayers’s father, Thomas, and Ayers’s brother, John. Bill Ayers, as noted, was a CAC founder, its guiding force, and co-chaired CAC’s powerful “collaborative.” CAC appears to have been housed at UIC because of Ayers’s connection to the school.”

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTgwZTVmN2QyNzk2MmUxMzA5OTg0ODZlM2Y2OGI0NDM=&w=Mg==

Interesting stuff in this article…

Here’s another: http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/06/that-guy-who-lives-in-my-neighborhood.html

One has to wonder why Ayers is so concerned with the school system. Can’t be good…


58 posted on 01/05/2009 1:23:59 PM PST by nominal (Christus dominus. Christus veritas.)
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To: ETL

Tuition for the 2008-2009 Punahou school year for Grades K-12 is $16,675.


59 posted on 01/05/2009 3:29:48 PM PST by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: nominal; freema; All
One has to wonder why Ayers is so concerned with the school system. Can’t be good...

"Their founding document [the Weather Underground's] called for the establishment of a "white fighting force" to be allied with the "Black Liberation Movement" and other "anti-colonial" movements[1] to achieve "the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism."..."-Berger, Dan (2006). Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity. AK Press, 95.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_Underground#cite_ref-Berger_0-0

Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity (Paperback) by Dan Berger
http://www.amazon.com/Outlaws-America-Underground-Politics-Solidarity/dp/1904859410
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From the New York Times, August 24, 2003

"they [the Weather Underground] employed revolutionary jargon, advocated armed struggle and black liberation and began bombing buildings, taking responsibility for at least 20 attacks. Estimates of their number ranged at times from several dozen to several hundred."

Article: Quieter Lives for 60's Militants, but Intensity of Beliefs Hasn't Faded
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E4DE1539F937A1575BC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2
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"This is a guy [Bill Ayers] who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English..."


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Bill Ayers TODAY (April 6, 2008), from his own red communist star-headed website, begging to debate communism vs capitalism with Sean Hannity and STILL calling for revolution!


"Imperialism. I’m against it, and if Sean Hannity and others were honest, this is the ground they would fight me on. Capitalism played its role historically and is exhausted as a force for progress: built on exploitation, theft, conquest, war, and racism, capitalism and imperialism must be defeated and a world revolution—a revolution against war and racism and materialism, a revolution based on human solidarity and love, cooperation and the common good —must win.

We begin by releasing our most hopeful dreams and our most radical imaginations: a better world is both possible and necessary.

Source: Bill Ayers' own website:
http://billayers.wordpress.com/2008/04/page/2/
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"Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at"
-Bill Ayers, New York Times, September 11, 2001:

Article: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

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Source: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31617_Obama_Gave_Bill_Ayers_Book_a_Rave_Review/comments/#ctop
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From The Weekly Standard, 'Barack Obama's Lost Years', 08/11/2008:

"Ayers opposes trying even the most vicious juvenile murderers as adults. Beyond that, he'd like to see the prison system itself essentially abolished. Unsatisfied with mere reform, Ayers wants to address the deeper 'structural problems of the system.' Drawing explicitly on Michel Foucault, a French philosopher beloved of radical academics, Ayers argues that prisons artificially impose obedience and conformity on society, thereby creating a questionable distinction between the 'normal' and the 'deviant.' The unfortunate result, says Ayers, is to leave the bulk of us feeling smugly superior to society's prisoners. Home detention, Ayers believes, might someday be able to replace the prison. Ayers also makes a point of comparing America's prison system to the mass-detention of a generation of young blacks under South African Apartheid. Ayers's tone may be different, but the echoes of Jeremiah Wright's anti-prison rants are plain."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/386abhgm.asp?pg=2
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"This is a guy [Bill Ayers] who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis."

Source: ABC News - Transcript: Obama and Clinton Debate, April 16, 2008
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/DemocraticDebate/Story?id=4670271&page=2
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[Obama] is named Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge founded by Bill Ayers
(article typo has Ayers instead of Obama)

In late 1993, Bill Ayers, now an associate professor of education at the University of Illinois Chicago Circle Campus, organized a team to put together a grant proposal to secure nearly $50 million from the Annenberg Challenge. The money was to be used by Ayers and co. to bolster the radical Local School Councils reform project that Ayers and Obama had championed back in 1988 through the ABCs.

The grant application was successful and in early 1995 Barack Obama was named chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Ayers was named co-chair of the Challenge’s operative and strategic body, the Chicago School Reform Collaborative. Ayers and Obama work together for the next five years on raising an additional $60 million in matching money from local foundations and corporations and using the money to intervene in the governance of the Chicago public schools.

The Challenge through a multi-million dollar Leadership Development Initiative intervened in the School Council elections in the middle of what was known as the Chicago School Wars. At the same time Chicago Mayor Richard Daley was pushing, successfully, to gut the power of the Councils.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/12/the-obama-ayers-top-ten-highlights-of-the-20-year-obama-ayers-connection/
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"The Small Schools Workshop was founded in 1991 at the University of Illinois at Chicago to provide support for teachers who were trying to create new smaller learning environments. Its director is Michael Klonsky, a former professor of education at UIC."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Schools_Workshop
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Some background on Bill Ayers' SDS comrade, Michael Klonsky
(Chicago Annenberg Challenge-related)

"One of Bill Ayers’ and Bernardine Dohrn’s comrades in the late 60s Students for a Democratic Society was Mike Klonsky. When Dohrn and Ayers moved in one direction toward the violent tactics of the Weather Underground, Klonsky, in the wake of the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia, dropped the pro-Russian communist politics of his parents and became a committed Maoist. As leader of the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) in 1977 [not to be confused with Communist Party USA. CPML no longer exists, CPUSA formed decades earlier and is still around-ETL], he travelled to Beijing and was toasted by the senior Beijing leadership.

When the crazy left of the 70s died in the 80s, Klonsky went to graduate school in education in Florida and then moved to Chicago.

While driving a cab there he [Michael Klonsky] was recruited by his old friend Bill Ayers to head up a new project called the Small Schools Workshop in 1991. It’s offices were in the Department of Education building at the University of Illinois Chicago Circle Campus where Ayers taught.

In 1995 the newly formed Chicago Annenberg Challenge headed by Ayers and Obama gave the Workshop a grant of $175,000.

The Annenberg Challenge also had its office space in the same building as Ayers Department and the Workshop, rent free courtesy of the University.

In 2008 Klonsky ran a blog on the official Obama campaign website on education policy and “social justice” teaching. When discussion of the Klonsky blog emerged in the blogosphere, it was promptly shut down by the campaign and all of the posts made by Klonsky were removed from the site."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/12/the-obama-ayers-top-ten-highlights-of-the-20-year-obama-ayers-connection/
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In 1977, the October League was reorganized as the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) [again, not Communist Party USA (CPUSA) -ETL] and former SDS activist Michael Klonsky became party chairman. Also in 1977, Klonsky traveled to China and the CPML was recognized by the Chinese Communist Party as its official sister party in America.

(snip)

In January 1981, Michael Klonsky resigned as party chairman, and the CPML disbanded that same year.

The previous Red Encyclopedia description of the CPML was incorrectly combined with that of the Communist Party USA (Marxist-Leninist).

http://reds.linefeed.org/past.html
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From Investor's Business Daily (IBD), August 27, 2008:

"Ayers, now a tenured distinguished professor of education at UIC, works to educate teachers in socialist revolutionary ideology, urging that it be passed on to impressionable students.

One of Ayer's descriptions for a course called 'Improving Learning Environments' says prospective K-12 teachers need to 'be aware of the social and moral universe we inhabit and ... be a teacher capable of hope and struggle, outrage and action, teaching for social justice and liberation.

The Annenberg papers are quite extensive — 132 boxes containing 947 file folders with 70 linear feet of material. They undoubtedly contain more surprises regarding Obama's relationship with Ayers, one of many relationships Obama has sought to hide.'..."

Article: Annenberg Papers: Putting On Ayers?
http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=304729375940845
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Voice of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA [Maoist]
Revolution #63, October 1, 2006

Interview with Bill Ayers:
"On Progressive Education, Critical Thinking and the Cowardice of Some in Dangerous Times"

http://rwor.org/a/063/ayers-en.html

60 posted on 01/05/2009 3:44:21 PM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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