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Would Romney Be Doing Better?
The New Republic via The Spartan Truth ^ | Michael Crowley

Posted on 10/10/2008 10:57:34 PM PDT by Gator_that_eats_Dems

The economy is collapsing and the GOP is stuck with a candidate who doesn't know jack about economics. But what if Mitt Romney had won that hard-fought Florida primary and grabbed the nomination? Romney's whole business career was about turning around distressed companies. Plus, he's far less identified with George W. Bush than is McCain. And unlike McCain he might not have had to give up on Michigan, where his father was governor. (What state pray tell is McCain holding that Mitt couldn't?)

I know there are plenty of strikes against the guy. But it's an interesting counterfactual to consider--one that makes a lot more sense now that foreign policy has all but disappeared from the conversation.

P.S. Good point from commenter timteeter:

Or for that matter if McCain had sucked it up and made Romney his VP.

You might've had far less base enthusiasm at convention time, but delivering a strong economic message right now could've been far easier.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; conservatives; mccain; mormons; rinos; romney; stupidquestion; vote; whocaresaboutwillard; yes
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1 posted on 10/10/2008 10:57:34 PM PDT by Gator_that_eats_Dems
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Oh, Gawd...

Will we ever be free of Willard propagandists?


2 posted on 10/10/2008 10:59:18 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Palin 2008 (oh yeah, and McCain too))
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems

If Romney was the candidate, HBO would play “Big Love” reruns 24/7. It would be the Big Love network.


3 posted on 10/10/2008 10:59:34 PM PDT by AmericanGirlRising
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems

Yaaaawwwwnnnn.


4 posted on 10/10/2008 11:00:00 PM PDT by Antoninus (If you're bashing McCain/Palin at this point, you're helping Obama.)
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems

The real question is: Where is Mitt Romney NOW? He could help McCain/Palin in Colorado and Nevada.


5 posted on 10/10/2008 11:00:18 PM PDT by tomymind
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems

He would have been attacked for being a Banksta.

Btw, Romney was for the bailout as well.


6 posted on 10/10/2008 11:01:08 PM PDT by BGHater (The GOP, the new DNC.)
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems

No.

THINK CONSERVATIVE.

RINO economics is what got us here. Reagan gets us out. Listen to the House Republicans.


7 posted on 10/10/2008 11:02:05 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: tomymind
Where is Mitt Romney NOW?

He got the message that he wasn't welcome in the GOP.

8 posted on 10/10/2008 11:02:33 PM PDT by Domandred (McWhathisname / Palin - 2008)
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems

No..”who let the dogs out who who”

Smart man...awful at speeches..good debater...awful at talking to everyday people....

also shuffles his feet when he talks its annoying!


9 posted on 10/10/2008 11:02:39 PM PDT by Texas4ever (!WHO IS OBAMA?)
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems

Against Obama, Romney would be in worse shape than McCain. Giuliani would have done better at fighting back and making his case against Obama, but sadly, most conservatives would have tuned out by now if Giuliani were the GPO nominee.


10 posted on 10/10/2008 11:03:18 PM PDT by CatOwner
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems

A dead squirrel would be doing better


11 posted on 10/10/2008 11:04:31 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems
As much as I dislike Huckabee and Giuliani alone, Huckabee would have picked him to balance the ticket and they would be beating the tar out of Obama right now.

Huckabee and Giuliani both would have been tearing Obama to pieces and doing it with humor. Something McCain lacks.
12 posted on 10/10/2008 11:04:57 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Domandred
He got the message that he wasn't welcome in the GOP.

Such a pity that message couldn't have also been delivered to McQueeg last year.

13 posted on 10/10/2008 11:05:01 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Baldwin/Castle '08 - Gilmore for Senator from Virginia '08)
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To: Domandred

If only his ‘supporters’ would get the same message. We’d all be better off...


14 posted on 10/10/2008 11:05:41 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Palin 2008 (oh yeah, and McCain too))
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To: CatOwner
Against Obama, Romney would be in worse shape than McCain. Giuliani would have done better at fighting back and making his case against Obama, but sadly, most conservatives would have tuned out by now if Giuliani were the GPO nominee.

As much as it pains me...the Huckster/911 ticket was the one to beat Obama.
15 posted on 10/10/2008 11:06:26 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: CatOwner

Agreed. McCain was tougher than Romney and a better CiC. McCain should try now to recruit Romney to be his man to work on curing the economy like he cured the Olympics etc..


16 posted on 10/10/2008 11:07:09 PM PDT by Poincare
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To: pissant

Yes, but Romney would be doing worse. At least the dead squirrel didn’t impose socialized medicine and call it conservatism.

DEAD SQUIRREL/PALIN 2008!!
Change is coming!


17 posted on 10/10/2008 11:07:37 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Palin 2008 (oh yeah, and McCain too))
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems

Of the persons that McCain defeated in the primaries, the only other one that I think would be doing as well (or better) is Rudy Guliani. Imagine: a former federal prosecutor going up against Obama and his many questionable associations (ACORN, Ayers, Rezko, et. cet.). It would have been great fun.


18 posted on 10/10/2008 11:10:55 PM PDT by kesg
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To: kesg

I voted for Rudy in the primary!


19 posted on 10/10/2008 11:12:01 PM PDT by Gator_that_eats_Dems
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems

NO.

Christians would stay home. Virginia and North Carolina would be blue. Georgia would be a swing state.

Pro-life and pro-family/pro-marriage organizations would be protesting.

2nd Amendment conservatives would be upset.

And Obama would be singing loud and long about republicans having a member of the white and delightsome Mormons on their ticket.

I guess to some people, the grass always looks greener on the other side, even if the other side is a desert.


20 posted on 10/10/2008 11:12:47 PM PDT by Waryone
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems

No, to all of the above!


21 posted on 10/10/2008 11:12:49 PM PDT by vigilante2 (Thank You Troops)
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems

Thought the same things myself.

McCain demonstrated his tin ear with the economy when he “suspended” his campaign to go to Washington, did nothing, and then unsuspended it 24 hours later.

It was awful, and I like McCain.

I just envision Romney would have had something intelligent to say, some good ideas, and Romney would not have been afraid to get in obama’s face.


22 posted on 10/10/2008 11:13:11 PM PDT by Edit35 (.)
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To: Poincare
Romney is the disease, I'm the cure.

23 posted on 10/10/2008 11:13:14 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Palin 2008 (oh yeah, and McCain too))
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems

This must be the STUPIDEST question of the year.

The Republican nominee IS John McCain/Sarah Palin.

The Democrat nominee is Barack Hussein Obama/Joe Biden.

It is pathetic that with so much at stake, some people engage in hypothetical stupid questions, which can only harm our chances against Obama, because they are raising doubt about McCain, trying to get conservatives to not support McCain, thereby ensuring an Obama presidency.

Romney endorsed McCain way back when and campaigned with and for him. It’s time that his supporters follow his example.


24 posted on 10/10/2008 11:14:38 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems

Yes, we would be better off, I believe, but all I heard during the primaries were that he is impure in his conservatism because he used to be more liberal and is a flip flopper. He’d be able to talk about these economic issues better than McCain.


25 posted on 10/10/2008 11:14:57 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: kesg

Yep, without the stigma of being tied to the economy (Congress) or the Bush administration (other than Giuliani’s support during post 9/11, which most Americans hold in high regard).


26 posted on 10/10/2008 11:15:05 PM PDT by CatOwner
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems

I would have voted for Rudy as well had he still been in the race. He was my first choice, although I also liked Fred Thompson. These two and McCain (as my third choice) were the only candidates that I could have voted for in the primaries.


27 posted on 10/10/2008 11:17:44 PM PDT by kesg
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To: AmericanGirlRising

Mitt Romney, didn’t he host Love Connections?

I’ve said McCain was my last choice, let me correct myself Slick Mittney was my last choice in the primaries. If he was the VP choice, I would have been the most unenthusiastic voter in the history of voting booths.


28 posted on 10/10/2008 11:20:27 PM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems

McCain should get Steve Forbes on his campaign. He’s a good conservative that knows all about the economy.


29 posted on 10/10/2008 11:23:20 PM PDT by Mogollon ($5/gal Gas....Kick the Jacka$$es Out!)
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To: CatOwner

Unfortunately, Rudy could never compete in the GOP primary. But he would make an excellent attorney general in a McCain Administration.


30 posted on 10/10/2008 11:24:23 PM PDT by kesg
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Treu. But he did even worse. He pretended that socializing the banking sector in the name of a bailout was wise and necessary.


31 posted on 10/10/2008 11:25:02 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Arkinsaw
"As much as I dislike Huckabee and Giuliani alone, Huckabee would have picked him to balance the ticket and they would be beating the tar out of Obama right now."

Considering the terrible choices we had, and looking at where we are right now, that would have been a terrific ticket. The Huck would have torn Hussein up during the debates with his humor alone, and he's also very quick on his feet. He also would have been far more experienced and would have connected better with the voters. Rudy would have been the perfect VP candidate.

32 posted on 10/10/2008 11:25:43 PM PDT by KoRn (Barack Obama Must Be Stopped!!!)
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To: tomymind
The real question is: Where is Mitt Romney NOW? He could help McCain/Palin in Colorado and Nevada.

I got the feeling that Romney thought he was pretty close to being picked as VP, and walked away angry after Palin was chosen. I could be wrong, of course, but he's made himself pretty scarce since Palin was chosen.

I did not support Mitt Romney during the primaries, but given the current financial mess and his expertise in running a business, he looks a lot better now than he did a year ago.

33 posted on 10/10/2008 11:26:14 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: tomymind

“The real question is: Where is Mitt Romney NOW? He could help McCain/Palin in Colorado and Nevada.”

Mittens is getting ready for 2012 in the unlikely event of a McCain loss.


34 posted on 10/10/2008 11:26:15 PM PDT by cw35
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To: pissant

It’s worse than that...he didn’t pretend. He actually THOUGHT that...

Scary times we live in. We have to vote for a quasi-socialist/blithering idiot, so we can keep the communist coup from happening. Makes me sick to my stomach.


35 posted on 10/10/2008 11:29:38 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Palin 2008 (oh yeah, and McCain too))
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To: cw35

Well, then, we’ll just have to defeat him again then.

One would HOPE that the RINO brand would be tarnished for quite some time if their poster-child were to lose the election.


36 posted on 10/10/2008 11:31:15 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Palin 2008 (oh yeah, and McCain too))
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems

In a year of wall street collapses, Mitt’s wall street background would have hurt him if he was the nominee.

I think Giuliani is the best in attack tactics, he is brilliant at pulling someone down with humour.

But Giuliani would have driven away social conservatives, maybe a Giuliani/Romney ticket could have performed.


37 posted on 10/10/2008 11:34:42 PM PDT by GregH
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To: mountainbunny

“I got the feeling that Romney thought he was pretty close to being picked as VP, and walked away angry after Palin was chosen. I could be wrong, of course, but he’s made himself pretty scarce since Palin was chosen.”


Remember Romney switched to Republican in 1993 only for political reasons to run for the Senate, he campaigned on the fact that he had gone Independent during the Reagan years.

In the years before that all of his campaign donations had gone to Democrats. He has never really been a part of anything in politics, that might explain his lack of focus right now.


38 posted on 10/10/2008 11:36:00 PM PDT by ansel12 (America's favorite baby boomer, Sarah Barracuda. Hell, she's a natural-born world-shaker.)
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To: GregH

Giuliani is great theater and we respect him as a man, but he is not of our tribe, he is out on the fringes in New York, but he is against almost everything that conservatives are for.


39 posted on 10/10/2008 11:43:15 PM PDT by ansel12 (America's favorite baby boomer, Sarah Barracuda. Hell, she's a natural-born world-shaker.)
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To: tomymind
The real question is: Where is Mitt Romney NOW? He could help McCain/Palin in Colorado and Nevada.

Romney is helping Republicans, including McCain in Nevada (see October 2 below).

Romney Campaigning for Walberg in Michigan

October 9, 2008
more ...

Romney Talks Finances in West Michigan

October 9, 2008
more ...

Romney to Raise Money at $1,000-per-Plate DuPage Dinner

October 7, 2008
more ...

Boulder City Speech: Romney Stumps on

October 3, 2008
more ...

Mitt Romney Visits Idaho Falls, Campaigns for U.S. Senate Candidate Jim Risch

October 2, 2008
more ...

Romney in Nevada for McCain Campaign Tonight

October 2, 2008
more ...


It is hard to say as a Presidential candidate if Romney would be outperforming McCain. A Romney campaign would never be described as moribund, however, as has McCain's.

I can't help but think that with the economic turmoil, Romney as Veep would be very helpful as a media campaign spokesman. Palin is great at base rallying, but as for media appearances is treated by the McCain campaign as more a liability than an asset. Romney might have been able to make the Fannie Mae mess stick to Obama, and describe a McCain plan for the economy that would offer more security than Obama's socialism.


40 posted on 10/10/2008 11:45:28 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems

Well at this point, a pair of Governors against a pair of Senators would be worth about 10% points regardless of who they were or what their philosphy. Having a Senator at the top of the ticket hampers going after Dodd and Franks and even Senator Obama.

McCain has to fight off the “you were in the Senate” charge.


41 posted on 10/10/2008 11:47:14 PM PDT by cookcounty (Dismissing Ayers as a 1960's radical is like saying Barbara Walters is a 1960's TV dogfood salesman)
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To: Waryone
Christians would stay home

No we wouldn't. A few, maybe, but it would hurt him max 1%.

42 posted on 10/10/2008 11:48:51 PM PDT by cookcounty (Dismissing Ayers as a 1960's radical is like saying Barbara Walters is a 1960's TV dogfood salesman)
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems

Romney looks like he would be Biden’s boss down at the used car dealership.


43 posted on 10/10/2008 11:48:57 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems
The economy is collapsing and the GOP is stuck with a candidate who doesn't know jack about economics.

At this point NOBODY knows Jack about economics.

44 posted on 10/11/2008 12:01:42 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: cookcounty
No we wouldn't. A few, maybe, but it would hurt him max 1%. “

I disagree, the images, and the videos, the planned parenthood fund raisers and donations, his wife's pro abort position, Romney's throwing his mother under the bus as a campaigning pro-abort in her Senate race before Roe vs Wade, his trying to rewrite Reagan as “adamantly pro-choice”

This is what beat him in the primary, it would have been devastating in the election at this point.

45 posted on 10/11/2008 12:07:27 AM PDT by ansel12 (America's favorite baby boomer, Sarah Barracuda. Hell, she's a natural-born world-shaker.)
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To: cookcounty

I don’t know where in the South you live, Cook County GA instead of Cook County Ill. perhaps? Where I live there are many Christians who don’t like the governor who ushered gay marriage into this country, said he would do more for gays than Ted Kennedy, regularly says Ronald Reagan was pro abortion (never was the case), and was himself a long time a staunch supporter of a woman’s so-called “right” to choose to kill their child.

Some people don’t know what went on in Taxachusetts, but many Christians down here tried very hard to prevent what Romney did in his state. They just could not believe the one doing it had an R next to his name and they have not forgotten.


46 posted on 10/11/2008 12:10:37 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems

I believe the saying goes “if if and buts were candy and nuts we would all have a Merry Christmas.” Best not to think about what could have been and if it would be better or worse. Just think about how you can make the best of the situation at hand.


47 posted on 10/11/2008 12:11:40 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Major barf-o-rama, dude.


48 posted on 10/11/2008 12:13:36 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems

What does it matter? Romney’s not the nominee.


49 posted on 10/11/2008 12:14:52 AM PDT by Allegra ( One bad ACORN DOES spoil the whole bunch.)
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To: Plutarch
including McCain...

Thanks a lot, Mitt. /sarcasm

50 posted on 10/11/2008 12:15:55 AM PDT by tomymind
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