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The Mortgage Meltdown Why is McCain Afraid to Pin the Blame Where It Belongs?
Family Security Matters ^ | 10/10/2008 | Joel Himelfarb

Posted on 10/11/2008 5:46:48 AM PDT by markomalley

For John McCain and the Republicans, there’s nowhere to go but up. Cut through all of the self-congratulatory talk about how foresighted and responsible they were in voting for the $700 billion mortgage bailout and the truth is that the GOP today is staring into a political abyss. The stock market has fallen, and the remarkable political bounce that Republicans had gained with Sarah Palin’s vice-presidential nomination is gone.

Obama has surged into the lead in the polls by depicting McCain as out of touch, aided by the Arizona senator’s erratic, muddled performance on the bailout. First, he temporarily suspended his campaign, and then reversed himself the following day. McCain joined Obama in voting for the bailout bill last Wednesday, then went on national television the following day to denounce the very legislation he had just voted for as “insanity” and an “obscenity, because it’s a waste of taxpayer dollars.” In the same interview, McCain added that Americans need a president who would veto pork-laden bills like the one he just voted for. After flailing about incoherently like this, McCain needs to understand that a substantial part of the Republican “base” (whose votes he desperately needs if he is to have any chance of defeating Obama) feels betrayed by his performance on the bailout issue. McCain appeared so cowed by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson’s warnings of economic collapse that he embraced the very kind of pork-barrel legislation he had denounced hundreds of times on the campaign trail.

What’s frustrating about the timidity of McCain and the congressional Republican leadership is that they have moral high ground on this mortgage-bailout issue, and Obama and the Democrats have huge political liabilities if Republicans have the good sense to exploit them. McCain may be starting to understand this; on Monday, he blasted Obama and the Democrats for killing his legislative efforts to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (the federal government-sponsored housing agencies whose collapse helped trigger the current financial crisis) several years ago. These efforts were blocked in 2005 and 2006 up because of opposition from congressional Democrats, among them Sens. Chris Dodd and Barack Obama, who received hundreds of thousands of dollars between them in campaign contributions from supporters of Fannie and Freddie .But that is just the tip of the political iceberg when it comes to the Democrats’ responsibility for the collapse of these two companies, which cost taxpayer s close to $200 billion and helped trigger the larger meltdowns in mortgage and credit markets.

The fact is that Washington politicians, the overwhelming majority of them Democrats, had a very large role in creating the mortgage mess in the first place. For more than 30 years, the federal government has pursued policies (often in tandem with Left-wing community activist groups like Obama’s ACORN) in which credit requirements were systematically eroded in order to make loans to people with poor credit histories who were very unlikely to pay them back.

The Community Reinvestment Act and the Destruction of Fannie and Freddie

Responding to complaints that banks were refusing to make loans to persons, mostly racial minorities who lived in poor inner-city areas, Congress passed and President Carter signed into law in 1977 the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), which decreed that these financial institutions have “an affirmative obligation” to meet the credit needs of the communities in which they operate, and that federal regulators need to take this into account when considering requests to merge or open branches. Yet enforcement of the law was sporadic until the early 1990s, when the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston laid the groundwork for the Clinton Administration’s efforts to breathe new life into the CRA. The study, released to great fanfare by the Boston Fed, supposedly proved that racial bias in mortgage lending (as opposed to creditworthiness) was to blame for nonwhites’ inability to get housing loans. That conclusion “comports with common sense, no more studies needed,” Boston Fed President Richard Syron declared.

But the study soon fell apart under close scrutiny. Alicia Munnell, the Boston Fed‘s vice president for research, admitted in an interview that appeared in the January 4, 1993, issue of Forbes, that the study mishandled statistics on minority default rates. When the errors were accounted for, the same study showed no evidence that minority applicants were being discriminated against. Months after the interview appeared, Munnell joined the Clinton Administration as assistant secretary of the treasury for economic policy. In 1995, Treasury announced a new series of regulations that would make it much more difficult for banks to get a satisfactory CRA rating which could be critical to their survival.

No longer would businesses be able to get by with good ratings based on effort. Instead they would have to meet specific performance goals, broken down by neighborhood, income group and race, Howard Husock wrote in the Winter 2000 issue of City Journal. The CRA regulations enabled Left-wing “community organizations” like ACORN and the Boston-based Neighborhood Assistance Corporation of America (NACA) to put pressure on banks to lower credit standards. The CRA also became an effective political club to force banks to subsidize groups like ACORN and NACA, who also conducted voter-registration and lobbying campaigns.

One activist with close ties to Obama was Madeline Talbott, longtime director of Chicago ACORN. Writing in the September 29th New York Post, Stanley Kurtz described at length how Talbott began a pressure campaign to drag banks in the area “kicking and screaming” into high-risk loans to people with troubled credit histories. Soon, thanks to the Clinton Administration, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac took the plunge. In June 1995, President Clinton, Vice President Gore and HUD Secretary Henry Cisneros announced the administration’s strategy for increasing homeownership to an all-time high. ACORN activists were honored guests at the ceremony, where Clinton declared that the strategy could be implemented administratively and “will not cost the taxpayers one extra cent.”

Influential members of the mainstream media bought this line. Ronald Brownstein of the Los Angeles Times began a May 31, 1999, analysis piece this way: “It’s one of the hidden success stories of the Clinton era. In the great housing boom of the 1990s, black and Latino homeownership has surged to the highest level ever recorded.” Brownstein expressed hope that (since-disgraced) Fannie Mae boss Franklin Raines and HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo would reach an agreement “that provides more fuel for the extraordinary boom transforming millions of minority families from renters into owners.” In fact, we now know that the “boom” was in reality a con job – a cruel hoax created by political hustlers and that the “fuel” consisted of irresponsible loans that will cost taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars at a minimum to clean up.

McCain needs to highlight Obama and the Democrats’ role in the meltdown

In September 1993, the Chicago Sun-Times reported on how Talbott led an initiative in which five Chicago-area institutions participated in a $55 million program with ACORN to provide mortgages to low- and moderate-income people with “troubled credit histories,” and Talbott persuaded Fannie and Freddie to buy up the loans. The pilot program “worked” (at so far as funneling money to the poor from the banks was concerned). That purported success also helped set the stage for today’s financial implosion by encouraging Fannie and Freddie to expand their efforts to make more loans to such people.

Obama returned to Chicago in the early 1990s, and Talbott got him to train her personal staff, and he also trained the ACORN organizers leading Talbott‘s assaults against Chicago banks. Soon, Obama was involved in subsidizing ACORN through the Woods Fund, where he substantially expanded support for such groups. Kurtz (who has probably spent more time investigating Obama’s “community organizing” background than any other journalist) makes clear that the future U.S. senator was not just involved in funding ACORN, but also helped conceal its radical nature from the American public.

A report issued by the Obama-supervised Woods Fund in the mid-1990s acknowledges the difficulty of getting foundations and donors to contribute to confrontational leftist groups like ACORN. The Woods Fund’s claim to be “non- ideological,” it said, has “enabled the Trustees to make grants to organizations that use confrontational tactics against the business and government ‘establishments’ without undue risk of being criticized for partisanship.” In addition, as the leader of another charity, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, Obama provided support to ACORN, ostensibly for “education” projects,“ Kurtz adds. For her part, Talbott supported Obama‘s successful run for the Illinois Senate in 1996.

But the Democrats’ complicity in creating the mess goes well beyond this. After accounting scandals shook Fannie Mae in 2003-2004, agency chief Raines (President Clinton’s former OMB director) resigned. During his five years at the helm of Fannie, Raines made $90 million (he later was forced to return $24 million). He subsequently advised Obama’s presidential campaign on housing policy. In 2005 and 2006, McCain was one of a handful of lawmakers who introduced legislation to reform Fannie and Freddie. That legislation was blocked by Senate Democrats including Obama and Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd. Thanks to their efforts, GOP attempts to reform Fannie and Freddie’s financial practices were sabotaged until July 2008, when Republicans successfully demanded them as the price for passage of a housing bill. But by then, it was too late to stop the impending collapse.

While both firms were adding massive losses onto their investment portfolios between 2005 and 2007, House Democrats joined their Senate colleagues in blocking every effort by Republicans to pass reforms. Obama’s lower-key efforts complemented those of House liberals like Reps. Barney Frank, Maxine Waters and Gregory Meeks, who can be seen on YouTube praising Raines and haranguing federal regulator Armando Falcon for issuing a report that questioned the agency‘s financial practices. (Perhaps someone could send the McCain campaign the YouTube video of the 2004 House Financial Services Committee hearing at which this took place.)

McCain could also go back to 2004 and read the written testimony of Roger Barnes, a Fannie Mae accountant who questioned the bookkeeping practices occurring under Raines and Fannie Mae chief financial officer Timothy Howard in 2002. Barnes said his warnings were ignored because of a culture of “intimidation” in which employees were encouraged to give Raines and Howard information that would please the markets, rather telling the truth about Fannie’s worsening financial condition. McCain should also focus on Frank, who scurrilously suggests that Republican criticism of the CRA is motivated by racial prejudice. Fox News reported last week that during the early 1990s, when Frank pushed Fannie and the Clinton Administration to loosen regulations on mortgages, the congressman‘s live-in boyfriend, Herb Moses, was an executive working to develop Fannie‘s “affordable housing” programs. (The couple broke up in 1998, a few months after Moses left the company).

I fully understand that talking about these sorts of things is very uncomfortable for John McCain, who would rather be talking about “bipartisanship,” and how he collaborates with liberal Democrats on the mortgage bailout, campaign-finance “reform,” climate change, and amnesty for illegal aliens. The problem is that if McCain follows his natural instincts, the election is over and Barack Obama will take the oath as president on Jan. 20, 2009. But if McCain were to take the gloves off and force Obama to choose between defending the likes of Madeline Talbott, ACORN and Barney Frank, or throwing them under the proverbial bus, the old war hero may still have a fighting chance.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bushgse; demron; fanniemae; freddiemac; intimidator; itstheeconomystupid; mccain; obamacrash; slumlords
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1 posted on 10/11/2008 5:46:49 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

If McCain wins, it will be in spite of himself. He has plenty of hard, documented evidence of who caused this financial crisis and who tried to sound the warning. He needs to use it over and over again. I have to laugh when OBAMA, of all people, tries to claim that HE was the one to warn against sub-prime loans! That would be so easy to refute, if McCain cared to try.


2 posted on 10/11/2008 5:50:45 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie (Homeschool like your kids' lives depend on it.)
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To: markomalley

because John McCain has never had to point a finger at a Democrat in order to get where he is. He has never done it before.

The first time I can ever recall him actually saying the name of a democrat was this week when he mentioned Dodd and Frank in a campaign event (after being egged on by the crowd).

McCain points fingers at the GOP and names names all the damn time. But he doesn’t do it on the other side because it would hurt his chances of getting their support on his legislative priorities (amnesty, election protection, carbon taxes, etc).


3 posted on 10/11/2008 5:51:31 AM PDT by bpjam (If an enemy chooses you as his executioner, don't be rude by refusing.)
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To: markomalley

I sometimes wonder if McCain has a secret deal with Obama and the Democrats:

“I’ll give you a pass on your mortgage fraud — in turn, you leave me alone about my role in the savings and loan scams of the ‘80s. Deal?”


4 posted on 10/11/2008 5:53:17 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (I've left Cynical City... bound for Jaded.)
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To: markomalley

One guess: He doesn’t understand the economy.


5 posted on 10/11/2008 5:54:07 AM PDT by Swordfished
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To: markomalley

[What’s frustrating about the timidity of McCain and the congressional Republican leadership is that they have moral high ground on this mortgage-bailout issue, and Obama and the Democrats have huge political liabilities if Republicans have the good sense to exploit them.]

Indeed. Yet the repuclican party is useless and does not fight for the conservative principles anymore. They are liberal now and following the left, they bow down and shrink away from fighting for the conservatives of America.
They are as worthless as the left and have become the left.


6 posted on 10/11/2008 5:55:09 AM PDT by kindred ( Third party conservative for Chuck Balwin,McCain is a liberal,Obama a communist.)
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To: Swordfished

I am completely stumped by McCain’s inability to tie all of the people and scandals to Obama. This acorn thing and the financial crisis alone should have been enough.

I really lost alot of faith yesterday when he told the crowd not to fear Obama. I think the crowd was stunned. Has he given up??


7 posted on 10/11/2008 5:59:23 AM PDT by kezzek
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To: markomalley
We need a short and snappy phrase that will put the blame right where it belongs...on the Democrats. We need something that will stick in the voters' minds, because Obama supporters have short memories. ("Rev. Wright... Who's he?")

We could refer to this economic DEMbacle as the DEMron Scandal.

Or something better.

Please, someone, come up with something memorable.

8 posted on 10/11/2008 6:00:06 AM PDT by syriacus (At the intersection of Congress+ Fannie Mae .... you'll find the DEMron Scandal, a real DEMbacle.)
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To: syriacus
THE OBAMA CRASH
9 posted on 10/11/2008 6:01:22 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: kezzek

” Has he given up?? “

I believe so . He has seen the internal numbers and knows it is over .


10 posted on 10/11/2008 6:02:46 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: bpjam
it would hurt his chances of getting their support .

Bingo!!

McCain will be going back to the Senate if he loses.

He doesn't want to burn any bridges.

11 posted on 10/11/2008 6:03:35 AM PDT by syriacus (At the intersection of Congress+ Fannie Mae .... you'll find the DEMron Scandal, a real DEMbacle.)
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To: markomalley

The Mortgage Meltdown – Why is McCain Afraid to Pin the Blame Where It Belongs?

Perhaps it's because the GOP is just as to blame as the Jackass party. Note the years the purchasing ballooned. Who was in control of Congress and the White House?

When HUD released the next set of goals in 2004, it reported that after Cuomo's previous edict, there had been a sudden spurt of GSE subprime investment, "partly in response to higher affordable-housing goals set by HUD in 2000." Fannie had gone from $1.2 billion in subprime-mortgage and securities purchases in 2000 to $9.2 billion in 2001 and $15 billion in 2002. Freddie's numbers were murkier, but clearly also on the rise. In 2003 alone, the two bought $81 billion in subprime securities—which also count against the goals.

Fannie also developed a "flexible" product line, providing up to 100 percent financing and requiring borrowers to make as little as a $500 contribution, and bought $13.7 billion of those loans in 2003. In addition to subprime loans and securities, both banks burst into the "alt-a" market, making alternative products easily available to borrowers who had slightly better credit histories than subprime borrowers, but were unwilling to provide full documentation of their financial histories. (It was the "alt-a" investments that recently brought down the private bank IndyMac.) These risky adventures, according to the 2004 HUD report, prompted Freddie to claim that "the increased goals created tension in its business practices between meeting the goals and conducting responsible lending practices," a self-serving attempt to plant the blame back on HUD.

After this initial uptick, the two banks purchased $434 billion in securities backed by subprime loans between 2004 and 2006. The Washington Post noted this June that the GSEs' aggressive acquisitions "created a market for more such lending" by others, feeding the fire. No one knows just how big a bite the subprime mess is now taking out of the GSEs, or how much of that portfolio will ultimately go bad, but it has become axiomatic that, whatever the total, it is too much, since it will have seriously shaken confidence in these two linchpin institutions.
From here.

12 posted on 10/11/2008 6:05:22 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: markomalley
The Mortgage Meltdown – Why is McCain Afraid to Pin the Blame Where It Belongs?

Like most of the Republicans in DC, he's afraid of being labeled a racist... so he embraces “political correctness”. He's afraid of calling the ignorant, ignorant.... and he's afraid of calling Marxists, Marxists. He will stand up to our enemies abroad... but will turn a blind eye to the ones within.

13 posted on 10/11/2008 6:05:30 AM PDT by johnny7 ("Duck I says... ")
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To: ChocChipCookie

I agree. I think part of the problem with the stock market these past couple of weeks has been that noone (Paulson/Bush/McCain etc) has said OUT LOUD what the real problem is, perhaps thinking that it is too esoteric/inflammatory. I dunno.

But I also am beginning to think that McCain’s campaign can’t win for losing. There are still undecided voters out there and if they haven’t seen the stark differences by now then they never will, and McCain is at the mercy of the Dow these next 3 1/2 weeks.


14 posted on 10/11/2008 6:05:49 AM PDT by madameguinot (Liberal Ideology: Peace and Torture.)
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To: longtermmemmory
THE OBAMA CRASH

I like it. I have to admit I was thinking of blaming Democrats in general. But your idea is better.

We know he was directly involved in fostering some of the bad loans that got the housing bubble going..

15 posted on 10/11/2008 6:08:55 AM PDT by syriacus (At the intersection of Congress+ Fannie Mae .... you'll find the DEMron Scandal, a real DEMbacle.)
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To: bpjam
McCain points fingers at the GOP and names names all the damn time. But he doesn’t do it on the other side because it would hurt his chances of getting their support on his legislative priorities (amnesty, election protection, carbon taxes, etc).

BP,

What has me flummoxed both with McCain and GWB is the power of the Presidency The Podium and It's Microphone has not been used properly since Ronald Reagan and even Clinton.

Case in Point...

The Anti-War Wackos. Murtha, Durbin. Why wasn't their rallies with the CIC even at the smallest Guard Facility and then go on local talk shows in that area and stick it to them. Call them out, put them on the defensive for their actions.

Have we become that B@!!!e$$ as a society to try to sway them into what is right? The pressure to bear could be made unbearable, but it would take a 24/7 Clintonian Campaign Strategy. Obviously GWB and McCain are and have been unwilling to do this. I hate to say it it equivivates to surrender if you don't.

16 posted on 10/11/2008 6:09:49 AM PDT by taildragger (The Answer is Fred Thompson, I do not care what the question is.....)
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To: ChocChipCookie

Im beginning to see How regular people in Germany must have felt When Adolf was Rising to Power . Seeing all these Brown Shirts runnung through the streets ,hearing these Bombastic Speeches on the radio .
What can you do, cast a vote? I guess ,but pulling a lever leaves you feeling like is that it ? Talk about Frustration ,the Left it seems does an awful lot more than that. Whitaker Chambers sure had it right when he said he was Leaving the Communist side, The Winning side ,to join, The Losing side , thats us because the Communists are ruthless and Obsessesd .
Well what they needed is a populace that is ignorant and Moronic as this one has become ,Talk about Idiots ,the stupidity of the American People Knows no Bounds


17 posted on 10/11/2008 6:11:48 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: markomalley
I keep wanting to believe that his seeming hesitation to make this case or to even act aggressively toward his opponent for more than a couple of days in a row is all part of his grand plan. There are a lot of separate story lines coming together and timing is important.

Perhaps part of that plan is to let the anger of fellow voters like me rise several levels before he hits the hornet's nest again like he did naming Frank and Dodd. That was very satisfying, but...he named them only after feeling the frontal assault of an angry voter and that was the last of it. Yesterday, he was telling a voter what a good guy 0bama is.

I keep bouncing between being frustrated at him for not doing anything and momentarily being happy when he finally says or does something. When it's all on the line, what good is a good soldier who won't fight?

18 posted on 10/11/2008 6:12:04 AM PDT by GBA
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To: ChocChipCookie

My co-worker believes that John McCain is intentionally throwing the election.

One thing that’s interesting, though, is that he believes the assertive stance is making Sen. McCain look like an angry old man, and that choosing Sarah Palin was a stunt forced upon him by the RNC when he wanted Joe Lieberman.

This is a bright guy and generally conservative, but what I found was that the MSM has given him these impressions.


19 posted on 10/11/2008 6:13:40 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: taildragger

McCain is doing nothing to put the blame where it belongs, and I have no idea why. Governor Palin is going to have to drag him to victory and that is a sorry state of affairs.
She has already brought him back twice and he is fumbling the ball again.


20 posted on 10/11/2008 6:16:02 AM PDT by Roklok
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To: raybbr
Note the years the purchasing ballooned. Who was in control of Congress and the White House?

Bush tried, many times, to get Congress to control Fannie Mae and other GSEs

Bush warned that Fannie Mae was getting too large.

Some Republicans tried to get reform in 2005-2006.

The Democrats had a stranglehold on Congress.

Remember the "obstructionists?"

Democrats controlled the Senate for MOST of the 107th Congress

(Remember Jim Jeffords' defection, which put TOM DASCHLE in charge of the Senate?)

The Democrats controlled both houses for all of the 110th Congress.

21 posted on 10/11/2008 6:16:36 AM PDT by syriacus (At the intersection of Congress+ Fannie Mae .... you'll find the DEMron Scandal, a real DEMbacle.)
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To: markomalley
Why should any of us be surprised at McCain's behavior; this is who he is.

To his credit, he's never promised to be anything other than who he is now. As Rush said on the air the other day, we will have to drag him across the finish line, if that's even possible. It won't be following behind him, it will be dragging him.

No surprises to me, this is McCain at his finest.

22 posted on 10/11/2008 6:16:53 AM PDT by mek1959
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To: syriacus

At this point, McCain has nothing to lose by naming names and putting the blame where it belongs.


23 posted on 10/11/2008 6:17:32 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie (Homeschool like your kids' lives depend on it.)
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To: syriacus

“DEMron”

That’s good, really good..


24 posted on 10/11/2008 6:19:29 AM PDT by vietvet67
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To: ChocChipCookie
At this point, McCain has nothing to lose by naming names and putting the blame where it belongs.

We know the Democrats will mistreat him in the Senate, even if he is a "good boy" during the campaign.

I don't think he realizes that fact...just yet.

25 posted on 10/11/2008 6:21:54 AM PDT by syriacus (At the intersection of Congress+ Fannie Mae .... you'll find the DEMron Scandal, a real DEMbacle.)
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To: markomalley

Unfortunately, the bail out is not only the biggest crime in US history, it is also the biggest cover-up. And McCain, Bush, Obama, Dodd, and Fwank are all in on it. If Dodd and Fwank don’t end up in jail over this, we are facing the disintegration of our republic.


26 posted on 10/11/2008 6:27:45 AM PDT by hampdenkid
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To: raybbr
Yes the Republicans participated in the “affordable housing” scam that kept a huge welfare program off the federal books until finally the bills came due. That doesn't mean Republicans can't blame Democrats or that Democrats don't deserve it.

Democrats voted to authorize the war in Iraq. That didn't stop them from blaming Bush for it when it went sour. People understood that Democrats were just along for the ride and that the real responsibility for the war rested with Republicans.

Similarly, the public understands that Republicans may have hitched a ride on the affordable housing bandwagon, but Democrats drove it. Republicans can also point out that they tried to stop the thing before it went over a cliff.

When the financial crisis struck the problem could have been characterized either as Wall Street scandal demonstrating the limitations of capitalism or as a Pennsylvania Avenue scandal demonstrating the dangers of socialism. Problems with capitalism help Democrats. Problems with socialism help Republicans.

So naturally McCain set out to make everyone understand that the enemy was Wall Street greed. He railed about CEO compensation and promised to fire Chris Cox, repeatedly shooting himself in the foot. Weeks went by before he so much as mentioned Fannie, Freddie, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd (maybe he just got his Chris's mixed up.)

McCain just punted on a powerful argument and not because anybody is afraid that it would backfire. McCain didn't make that argument when the time was ripe, for two reasons — He doesn't really understand it, and making it wouldn't be nice.

The man is a dolt.

27 posted on 10/11/2008 6:30:03 AM PDT by fluffdaddy (Is anyone else missing Fred Thompson about now?)
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To: kindred
"is that they have moral high ground on this mortgage-bailout issue, and Obama and the .."

That's very funny. Bush didn't veto one, single bill.

Republicans like Trent Lott, and fat Dennis "Coach" Hastert? Talk about go along to get along.

What political capital did Republicans spend to stop this? Answer, none. But, they did spend their capital, they did vote, deal on many things, just not on this..

Since the Republicans, as a party, didn't do anything, and or wouldn't do anything, what did it hurt them to say they were against these things? Nothing. Didn't hurt them a bit, and they got on the record that, of course, all very sad and all, we tried you know .....

Farm Republicans got ethanol and farm product support. Suburban Republicans got Real Estate, Developer, local Bank support. Everybody got Financial industry support.

And they all covered their arse with a few talking points that they could sell to Republican Bubbas.

28 posted on 10/11/2008 6:31:14 AM PDT by Leisler (Each generation, selling the next into more slavery)
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To: syriacus
The Democrats had a stranglehold on Congress.

They were in the minority. You can't have it both ways. You can't say the dems were able to block everything the republicans tried to do while the pubs were in the majority and then say now, while the dems are the majority, there is nothing the pubs can do to stop anything.

Unless you are saying the democrats are ALWAYS in control.

The Democrats controlled both houses for all of the 110th Congress.

That session started in 2007 after the spending binge. The 108th and 109th Congress were under Republican "leadership" such as it was.

29 posted on 10/11/2008 6:31:39 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: markomalley
More and more, it is apparent that illegals have played a significant role in the bad loan department. Had McCain spent as much time trying to fix the sub prime debacle as he spent blocking efforts to stop illegal immigrants and rid the country of those who are already here, and if he'd spent less time crossing the aisle, maybe he'd have made a dent. Now he's battling the very people he patronized as senator...his old friends. What a conundrum.
30 posted on 10/11/2008 6:33:22 AM PDT by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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To: syriacus
Bush tried, many times, to get Congress to control Fannie Mae and other GSEs

Then explain why Bush pushed for increasing purchasing of GSE's during his reelection campaign of 2004?

Cuomo's predecessor, Henry Cisneros, did that for the first time in December 1995, taking a cautious approach and moving the GSEs toward a requirement that 42 percent of their mortgages serve low- and moderate-income families. Cuomo raised that number to 50 percent and dramatically hiked GSE mandates to buy mortgages in underserved neighborhoods and for the "very-low-income."

Snip

That June Post story focused its critical reassessment of HUD's affordable-housing goals on the department's 2004 decision—during the Bush re-election campaign—to juice them up again, pushing the target to 56 percent by 2007.

From here.

31 posted on 10/11/2008 6:35:14 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: madameguinot
.... has said OUT LOUD what the real problem is....

Absolutely!!. We have a credibility problem in the Government. I bet the people on Wall street know a lot of "insider" things that have yet to be exposed.

We've just begun to see the tip of the iceberg.

32 posted on 10/11/2008 6:37:22 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Election '08, the year McCain defined the word "dilemma")
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To: raybbr
“They were in the minority. You can't have it both ways. You can't say the dems were able to block everything the republicans tried to do while the pubs were in the majority and then say now, while the dems are the majority, there is nothing the pubs can do to stop anything.”

Exactly. Republicans were worthless. One can definitely say, however, that liberals control Republicans even when Republicans are in control.

O for a leader.

33 posted on 10/11/2008 6:38:35 AM PDT by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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To: raybbr

We know that the Democrats are trying to hide the fact that Democrats ran the Senate for almost half of Bush’s presidency. They obstructed the Republicans during the other half of Bush’s presidency.

This is the transcript of one of the FIRST press conferences given by the hateful man who was in charge of the Senate for most of 2001 and all of 2002.

He couldn’t wait to get to the microphone to belittle the intelligence of the folks who supported the missile defense program.

By the time he was through with the press conference, his own nasty streak had done him in.

Transcript from
TOM DASCHLE’S PRESS CONFERENCE, in 2001, on the NATIONAL MISSILE DEFENSE PROGRAM

Whether or not we want to violate the ABM treaty
especially with a concept [NMD program] that we may not know
...or...
that we do know now does not work
is something that also mystifies me.

I mean
Every aspect of the debate and the consideration
that is given this whole program
is... is troubling to me.
I... I mean... I...there’s a disconnect there.
I mean...It just seems common sense....
I mean...there’s no brain..
THIS ISN’T ROCKET SCIENCE HERE...

Yes it IS rocket science....

that’s the problem..
Hadn’t thought about that..
As I just think out loud ....
as I meander through here.

(laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh)

That’s the problem.


34 posted on 10/11/2008 6:39:00 AM PDT by syriacus (At the intersection of Congress+ Fannie Mae .... you'll find the DEMron Scandal, a real DEMbacle.)
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To: kezzek

I totally agree! Why is he not fighting for us like he has promised?

Let the chips fall where thy may and let the heads roll - both dems and repubs


35 posted on 10/11/2008 6:39:44 AM PDT by Glacier Honey
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To: raybbr

You can’t get around the fact that Bush and Republicans called for reform.

Democrats obstructed reform.

Oversight would have made a BIG difference.


36 posted on 10/11/2008 6:40:29 AM PDT by syriacus (At the intersection of Congress+ Fannie Mae .... you'll find the DEMron Scandal, a real DEMbacle.)
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To: syriacus

I am not saying that the dems are not to blame. I am saying that the pubs HAVE to share the blame for the GSE debacle. You just can’t have it both ways.


37 posted on 10/11/2008 6:41:17 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: Nervous Tick

How does McCain or any white person publicly blame the minority and/or diversity loan programs for causing this problem without getting the race card played?


38 posted on 10/11/2008 6:51:17 AM PDT by Lumper20
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To: raybbr
You can't have it both ways.

Of course I can have it both ways.

Everyone knows that, since Clinton's presidency, the Democrats have changed the way government (especially the senate) operates.

Candidates get placed on ballots, after deadlines have expired.

60 votes are necessary for almost any legislation to come to the floor.

Judges are used to decide elections.

Etc.

You are right about one thing. When the Republicans have been in charge they've been playing by the old rules.

They need to accept the fact that Democrats have turned politics into a contact sport.

Remember Obama pulling Lieberman into a corner in the Senate?

...during a Senate vote Wednesday, Obama dragged Lieberman by the hand to a far corner of the Senate chamber and engaged in what appeared to reporters in the gallery as an intense, three-minute conversation.

While it was unclear what the two were discussing, the body language suggested that Obama was trying to convince Lieberman of something and his stance appeared slightly intimidating.

Using forceful, but not angry, hand gestures, Obama literally backed up Lieberman against the wall, leaned in very close at times, and appeared to be trying to dominate the conversation, as the two talked over each other in a few instances.

I've just thought of a good nickname for Obama...The Intimidator
39 posted on 10/11/2008 6:52:27 AM PDT by syriacus (At the intersection of Congress+ Fannie Mae .... you'll find the DEMron Scandal, a real DEMbacle.)
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To: syriacus

Obama is the symbol for the heart of this crash.

Obama Crash needs to get in the viral space so we can have it penetrate the MSM Blockade.


40 posted on 10/11/2008 6:54:50 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: raybbr
I am saying that the pubs HAVE to share the blame for the GSE debacle.

The DEMbacle might have been averted if Democrats had permitted oversight of Fannie Mae.

The Republicans did not have the 60 votes necessary to bring their reform to the floor of the senate.

41 posted on 10/11/2008 6:57:14 AM PDT by syriacus (At the intersection of Congress+ Fannie Mae .... you'll find the DEMron Scandal, a real DEMbacle.)
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To: ballplayer
“Im beginning to see How regular people in Germany must have felt When Adolf was Rising to Power “

Here's an excerpt from Munich, 1922....

“The German people after twenty-five or thirty years, in consequence of the fact that it will never be able to pay all that is demanded of it, will have so gigantic a sum still owing that practically it will be forced to produce more than it does today.’ What will the end be? and the answer to that question is ‘Pledging of our land, enslavement of our labor-strength. Therefore, in the economic sphere, November 1918 was in truth no achievement, but it was the beginning of our collapse.’ And in the political sphere we lost first our military prerogatives, and with that loss went the real sovereignty of our State, and then our financial independence, for there remained always the Reparations Commission so that ‘practically we have no longer a politically independent German Reich, we are already a colony of the outside world. We have contributed to this because so far as possible we humiliated ourselves morally, we positively destroyed our own honor and helped to befoul, to besmirch, and to deny everything which we previously held as sacred.’ If it be objected that the Revolution has won for us gains in social life: they must be extraordinarily secret, these social gains - so secret that one never sees them in practical life - they must just run like a fluid through our German atmosphere. Some one may say ‘Well, there is the eight-hour day!’ And was a collapse necessary to gain that? And will the eight-hour day be rendered any more secure through our becoming practically the bailiff and the drudge of the other peoples? One of these days France will say: You cannot meet your obligations, you must work more. So this achievement of the Revolution is put in question first of all by the Revolution.”

Translations are a bit awkward, but one gets the gist. Adolf really sucked em in, as Obama is doing now.

http://www.hitler.org/speeches/.... for comparisons.

42 posted on 10/11/2008 6:57:37 AM PDT by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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To: longtermmemmory
Obama Crash needs to get in the viral space so we can have it penetrate the MSM Blockade.

Sounds good to me.

43 posted on 10/11/2008 6:58:12 AM PDT by syriacus (At the intersection of Congress+ Fannie Mae .... you'll find the DEMron Scandal, a real DEMbacle.)
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To: raybbr
Just because Republicans were complicit doesn't mean they can't effectively blame the Dems. That's the way politics works. You get the blame for the policies you are closely identified with even if the people pointing the finger were also involved. Remember Iraq. Both parties got us in, only one got the blame for the difficulties we encountered.

If Republicans could just point out that the subprime mortgage mess results from decades of government efforts to use the mortgage market to provide affordable housing and that Democrats spearheaded those efforts, the public’s preconceptions would do the rest. Most people don't know much, but they do know that Democrats are the party of welfare.

McCain, Bush and Republicans in Congress just blew it. They had the ball on the opponent's two yard line and they fumbled. The plummeting Dow should be dragging Dems down, but it isn't because the Republicans couldn't bring themselves to point the finger of blame. All these years of catching flack and they still haven't figured out that in politics it matters more who gets blamed when things go wrong than who gets credit when things go right.

Can anybody here play this game?

44 posted on 10/11/2008 6:59:35 AM PDT by fluffdaddy (Is anyone else missing Fred Thompson about now?)
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To: markomalley

McCain has to decide if he wants to be a Senator or President. So far he is running for Miss Congeniality.

Pray for W, McCuda and Our Troops


45 posted on 10/11/2008 7:01:11 AM PDT by bray (It's the Corruption Stupid)
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To: longtermmemmory

I’ve added the key word “obamacrash” to this thread.


46 posted on 10/11/2008 7:05:14 AM PDT by syriacus (At the intersection of Congress+ Fannie Mae .... you'll find the DEMron Scandal, a real DEMbacle.)
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To: kezzek

I just saw a replay of that soundbite on Fox.Wanted to put my foot through the screen.Fortunately my coffee hadn’t kicked in yet.”Has he given up?”Short anwser is no.Keep in mind this is the same guy who “reached across the aisle” to co-author the McCain/Kennedy immigration(amnesty) bill.


47 posted on 10/11/2008 7:07:25 AM PDT by Thombo2
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To: bray

McCain thought he was going to take one for the team and put up a good battle before Hillary was elected first queen.

Along comes a clean,well dressed, articulate black man who pulled off the impossible mostly because Hillary and her team screwed up in many ways.

McCain is a globalist and he is just following his marching orders just like the rest of them.

John’s heart just might not be in it 100%.


48 posted on 10/11/2008 7:07:30 AM PDT by winodog
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To: syriacus
The Republicans did not have the 60 votes necessary to bring their reform to the floor of the senate.

You don't need sixty votes to bring it to the floor. It simply needs to be released from committee by a majority vote. It requires sixty votes to over ride a veto. It still could have been brought to the floor and been put on record.

49 posted on 10/11/2008 7:10:02 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: kezzek
I really lost a lot of faith yesterday when he told the crowd not to fear Obama. I think the crowd was stunned.

It indeed was a stunning moment. I was screaming at the TV set when I saw him essentially capitulate his campaign and endorse Obama! All my wife could do (she greatly admires McCain) was sit there in embarrassment.

This is not the man who survived 5 1/2 years of tourture and maltreatment in a prison cell at the Hanoi Hilton. Instead, this is a man who has flourished for 26 years at the trough in Washington.

There is a Big Difference!

50 posted on 10/11/2008 7:15:32 AM PDT by Gritty (Other than Obama's charisma and teleprompter talent, everything screams "Red Alert!"-Don Feder)
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