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McCain tussles with Palin over whipping up a mob mentality
The Sunday Times ^ | October 12, 2008 | Sarah Baxter

Posted on 10/11/2008 9:45:26 PM PDT by Bratch

With his electoral prospects fading by the day, Senator John McCain has fallen out with his vice-presidential running mate about the direction of his White House campaign.

McCain has become alarmed about the fury unleashed by Sarah Palin, the moose-hunting “pitbull in lipstick”, against Senator Barack Obama. Cries of “terrorist” and “kill him” have accompanied the tirades by the governor of Alaska against the Democratic nominee at Republican rallies.

Mark Salter, McCain’s long-serving chief of staff, is understood to have told campaign insiders that he would prefer his boss, a former Vietnam prisoner of war, to suffer an “honourable defeat” rather than conduct a campaign that would be out of character – and likely to lose him the election.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: bs; libmyths; marksalter; mccain; msmsabotage; palin; sarahbaxter
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Palin, 44, has led the character attacks on Obama in the belief that McCain may be throwing away the election and her chance of becoming vice-president. Her supporters think that if the Republican ticket loses on November 4, she should run for president in 2012.

A leading Republican consultant said: “A lot of conservatives are grumbling about what a poor job McCain is doing. They are rolling their eyes and saying, ‘Yes, a miracle could happen, but at this rate it is all over’.

“Sarah Palin is no fool. She sees the same thing and wants to salvage what she can. She is positioning herself for the future. Her best days could be in front of her. She wants to look as though she was the fighter, the person with the spunk who was out there taking it to the Democrats.”

1 posted on 10/11/2008 9:45:26 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch

Where did this steaming pile come from?


2 posted on 10/11/2008 9:48:48 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: Bratch

Total bull!! Full speed ahead. Telling the truth is always the honorable thing to do.


3 posted on 10/11/2008 9:49:52 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Socialism makes you feel better about oppressing people.....)
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To: Bratch

4 posted on 10/11/2008 9:50:03 PM PDT by Crazieman (RIP USA. Killed by demonrats and RINOs like McLame. Welcome to the USSA)
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To: Bratch
A leading Republican consultant said: “A lot of conservatives are grumbling about what a poor job McCain is doing. They are rolling their eyes and saying, ‘Yes, a miracle could happen, but at this rate it is all over’.

It's over and McCain has conceded.

5 posted on 10/11/2008 9:50:11 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Bratch
With his electoral prospects fading by the day

Only in the eyes of the political left and their MSM cohorts.

6 posted on 10/11/2008 9:50:33 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama IS running against Palin)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

it’s over if we don’t vote for him


7 posted on 10/11/2008 9:51:12 PM PDT by ari-freedom ("He (Obama) cannot win, Bill. He cannot win" -Hillary)
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To: Bratch

Rubbish! Palin is a good soldier, no matter what she might think about Mc Cain’s strategy. McCain’s problem is exactly this “honorable loss” business. For God’s sake! Obama is a Marxist conniving, two-bit crook. Do we want him for our president?


8 posted on 10/11/2008 9:51:33 PM PDT by foghornleghorn
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To: Bratch

A “tussle”? This reporter would be in no position to know, and is just making crap up. Mac may have some old-fashioned ideas but he’s a fighter with more stamina than most men walking the streets today. Having the Veep play the bad cop has been SOP for decades.


9 posted on 10/11/2008 9:51:38 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Bratch

This is junk article trying to get us to fight against eachother. Keep Strong McCain and Sarah!!!!

Dont buy into this fighting within the campaign.....Sarah will do her job and McCain will do great on Tuesday!!!

Obama is the bad guy here..lets not change the subject!!!!

Obama is scarey!!!


10 posted on 10/11/2008 9:52:08 PM PDT by Texas4ever (!WHO IS OBAMA?)
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To: DAC21

Where did this steaming pile come from?


Isn’t the “Times” owned by Rupert Murdoch, the supposed conservative who supported Hillary and now appears to be supporting Obama?


11 posted on 10/11/2008 9:52:12 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: Bratch
Hmmm,...well. It is the Times UK, but let's face it this race would be over without Governor Palin.

I don't necessarily like some of the frenzy and whacked out mobs. Who knows what some of idiot at a political rally may yell? But do they seriously think that there is no equivalency on the left??

Puh - leeze!

12 posted on 10/11/2008 9:52:44 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("God, Guns and Babies")
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To: Bratch
. . . to suffer an “honourable defeat” rather than conduct a campaign that would be out of character . . .

You're up against a phony protected by the media.  HONORABLE?  Out of CHARACTER?  Why the hell are you running, John?  To lose?
13 posted on 10/11/2008 9:52:51 PM PDT by Brizick (Repeal the 17th Amendment)
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To: DAC21
“Where did this steaming pile come from?”

This is classic UK news reporting. You should have seen what they wrote about the Heller case! Don't get too cranked up about this article.

14 posted on 10/11/2008 9:53:01 PM PDT by April Lexington (I'm voting for McCain in 2008 and Jefferson Davis in 2012)
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To: Crazieman

Wow, either we think alike, or you are very quick pulling up your graphics....GOOD JOB!


15 posted on 10/11/2008 9:53:04 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: DAC21
The Sunday London Times, obviously trying to stir dissent in the Republican ranks.

Hot Air has a take on the same story (I got the link from them).

Report: McCain, Palin at odds over how hard to hit Obama

16 posted on 10/11/2008 9:53:25 PM PDT by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." --- Edmund Burke)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
It's over and McCain has conceded.

You might find more who share your point of view over at the DUmp.

17 posted on 10/11/2008 9:53:32 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Bratch

Bull. The VP is the traditional attack dog.


18 posted on 10/11/2008 9:54:05 PM PDT by SMCC1
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To: kesg; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Kuksool; Norman Bates; LdSentinal; ExTexasRedhead; ...

Sarah Palin has a touch job to do, trying to cart a heavy RINO across the finish line.


19 posted on 10/11/2008 9:54:22 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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To: FFranco

If it’s owned by Murdoch, I constantly see stuff that get my hackles up published in it.


20 posted on 10/11/2008 9:54:26 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("God, Guns and Babies")
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To: Bratch

It looks like native born Americans are going to have to drag McCain kicking and screaming into the Oval Office. We can try I guess. The future of our country depends on him winning this thing.


21 posted on 10/11/2008 9:54:42 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I'm voting for McCain/Palin so I can look my grandkids in the eye when I tell them I'm sorry.)
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To: FFranco

Obama may well win the election. Then again McCain might win. But you have to admit right now there is a feeling in the air that the gloating on the left has come too soon. It’s not good for the Obama campaign that their supporters think they have won. That doesn’t bring out people like the fear on our side will.


22 posted on 10/11/2008 9:54:52 PM PDT by toddausauras
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To: The_Media_never_lie
It's over and McCain has conceded.

Yet another Freeper who swallows the MSM garbage hook, line, and sinker.

23 posted on 10/11/2008 9:55:55 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Bratch

I guess these idiots don’t realize mCCain don’t have a chance unless the voters hear about Obama’s treasonous friends. Not to mention he could have shut down his campaign last month without Palin. Every dime the Party takes in is because of Palin. If McCain gets elected it will be on her skirttails.


24 posted on 10/11/2008 9:56:13 PM PDT by noob4palin (That's Governor Palin to you.)
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To: incredulous joe

What “whacked out mobs”?

Getting real tired of the negative defeated attitude of many here today.

Get your a$$ out there and vote and spread the message.

Quit all the damn whining!


25 posted on 10/11/2008 9:56:41 PM PDT by Jazz1968
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To: The_Media_never_lie

It does seem like he is more concerned about staying on good terms with the Democrats.


26 posted on 10/11/2008 9:57:31 PM PDT by freedomrings69
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To: Bratch
Mark Salter, McCain’s long-serving chief of staff, is understood to have told campaign insiders that he would prefer his boss, a former Vietnam prisoner of war, to suffer an “honourable defeat”

Spoken like the loser that RINOs like McCain are.

27 posted on 10/11/2008 9:57:41 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Bratch

More PsyOps propaganda.

Buried in the middle of that steaming pile of bull is a ray of truth:

“A spokesman for McCain denied he and Palin had fallen out over her aggressive attacks. “Vice-presidential candidates are typically the tip of the spear and further out in front than the candidate for president. This is pretty standard fare,” he said.”


28 posted on 10/11/2008 9:58:07 PM PDT by Canedawg (Over? OVER? Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!)
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To: Bratch

“Cries of ‘terrorist’ and ‘kill him’ have accompanied the tirades by the governor of Alaska against the Democratic nominee at Republican rallies.”

WTF? Is the MSM shallow enough to actually eat this nonsense up? I thought they had SOME standards. Is it possible that the history books will record McCain’s struggle with the fanaticism of his crowds? MSM, you are outdoing yourself.


29 posted on 10/11/2008 9:58:29 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: FFranco

I recently saw Neil Cavuto interview Murdoch. Mordoch told Cavoto that he is supporting McCain.


30 posted on 10/11/2008 9:58:33 PM PDT by kesg
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To: Bratch

How many cries of “kill him” and “terrorist” have there been at these rallies?

The Media builds random nothings into blazing somethings.

Tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. Pravda has nothing on these guys.


31 posted on 10/11/2008 9:58:35 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Democracy, two wolves and one sheep deciding what's for dinner.)
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To: Bratch
Mark Salter, McCain’s long-serving chief of staff, is understood to have told campaign insiders that he would prefer his boss, a former Vietnam prisoner of war, to suffer an “honourable defeat”
So McCain's limp campaign is Mark Salter’s fault?
 
32 posted on 10/11/2008 9:58:40 PM PDT by counterpunch (Jim Jones was a Community Organizer)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
It's over and McCain has conceded.

Your screen name isn't sarcasm, apparently.

33 posted on 10/11/2008 9:59:00 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: foghornleghorn
Obama is a Marxist conniving, two-bit crook. Do we want him for our president?

"We" apparently are more concerned about that possibility than McCain, who is worried about losing gracefully rather than having the balls to fight back.

34 posted on 10/11/2008 9:59:26 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Texas4ever

“”McCain will do great on Tuesday!!!””

What are you basing that on other than wishful thinking? He was only good at missing chances in the first two debates. Is he going to come up with another Socialist scheme for this debate?


35 posted on 10/11/2008 9:59:41 PM PDT by freedomrings69
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To: Bratch

“Mob mentality” What is wrong with these people...Moltav cocktails...slashing of yard signs....paying for votes with cigarettes.....and we are a mob?

What is going on with the media!


36 posted on 10/11/2008 9:59:51 PM PDT by Texas4ever (!WHO IS OBAMA?)
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To: Bratch

I’ll believe McCain is “tussling” with Palin when I see heel marks on his forehead.

The things newsmen come up with...


37 posted on 10/11/2008 9:59:57 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Bratch
A leading Republican consultant said: “A lot of conservatives are grumbling about what a poor job McCain is doing. They are rolling their eyes and saying, ‘Yes, a miracle could happen, but at this rate it is all over’.

“Sarah Palin is no fool. She sees the same thing and wants to salvage what she can. She is positioning herself for the future. Her best days could be in front of her. She wants to look as though she was the fighter, the person with the spunk who was out there taking it to the Democrats.”


That isn't good when even the 'home team' sees the handwriting on the wall.

==

Senator John McCain has fallen out with his vice-presidential running mate about the direction of his White House campaign.

This from the guy only had one reporter to show up when he returned to NH to campaign (while Obama was in Germany).
38 posted on 10/11/2008 10:00:05 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Bratch

What a bunch of bs. Who is this nut job?


39 posted on 10/11/2008 10:00:38 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: toddausauras
Then again McCain might win.

I'm not sure that is possible if McCain has given up and is worried about losing with honor.

40 posted on 10/11/2008 10:01:11 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
"It's over and McCain has conceded."


No...he hasn't conceded, and that won't happen as long as Sarah is around.

Should he concede, I hope she field dresses the heck outta him!

Conceding is for losers.

41 posted on 10/11/2008 10:01:48 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Sarah'cuda Rocks)
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To: Bratch

The Times of London? Murdoch owns this but it is 100% pro-Obama.

Ignore this propaganda. Ignore the polls. A leading Republican consultant? Unnamed of course which means it is BS.

This is an attempt to depress our turnout.

Volunteer and contribute.


42 posted on 10/11/2008 10:02:43 PM PDT by Frantzie
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To: Bratch

Ymesonline.co.uk.donkeyturds


43 posted on 10/11/2008 10:02:52 PM PDT by afnamvet
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To: Bratch

Anyone have opinions on the spin of a big loss v. a narrow loss for McCain (just for the sake of argument assuming a loss).


44 posted on 10/11/2008 10:02:56 PM PDT by Anima Mundi
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To: Ol' Sparky

Fair point, but it’s a point that places a lot of importance on one article.


45 posted on 10/11/2008 10:02:57 PM PDT by toddausauras
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To: Ol' Sparky
I'm not sure that is possible if McCain has given up and is worried about losing with honor.

The Drive-Bys have you brain washed.

Pathetic, really...I mean really.

46 posted on 10/11/2008 10:03:02 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: bigbob

GOOD post!

Thank you. ;o)


47 posted on 10/11/2008 10:03:13 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Sarah'cuda Rocks)
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To: Bratch

We need to realize that McCain is not going to fight the good fight. We ourselves need to drag him across the finish line.


48 posted on 10/11/2008 10:04:04 PM PDT by Silly (www.PalinLove.com)
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To: Tublecane
““Cries of ‘terrorist’ and ‘kill him’ have accompanied the tirades by the governor of Alaska against the Democratic nominee at Republican rallies.”

Deliberately worded so as to mistake that Palin was saying those words. SLIME FACISTS!

49 posted on 10/11/2008 10:04:09 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: Bratch

We want 0bama exposed as a socialist.
We want his ties to the Democratic Socialists of America and The New Party exposed.
We want McCain to draw the conclusion that the common thread running through all of 0bama’s outrageous associations is the radical, dangerous left-wing agenda they share with him.
We want McCain to call 0bama’s “95% tax cut” what it really is: WELFARE.

We want McCain to defend the America we know and love and don’t want to lose to 0bama’s gang of left-wing radicals.


50 posted on 10/11/2008 10:04:42 PM PDT by counterpunch (Jim Jones was a Community Organizer)
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