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Elephant Gun For Sniper
Strategy Page ^ | 10/13/08

Posted on 10/13/2008 2:36:46 PM PDT by Dawnsblood

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To: Ajnin
Urban legend based upon the myth that the Geneva Convention bans .50 cals for anti-personnel.

Wouldn't be the Geneva Convention anyway. It would be the Hague Accords on the Rules of Land Warfare. This was the same venue where hollow point ammo was banned for conventional infantry combat. But I was always taught (when I was in my officer basic course for infantry branch) that this was army policy rather than a matter of international law. Our instructors were the ones offering the wry observations on aiming for the equipment being worn.

21 posted on 10/13/2008 3:45:12 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: 50cal Smokepole

Sweet.
Where can we order one?


22 posted on 10/13/2008 3:47:16 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (Proud Father of 2 US Marines. Support our troops!)
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To: Dawnsblood
It IS my birthday. Ya'll should take up a collection and buy me one of these, a case, a reloading setup, a mini weather station and a laser range finder.

/johnny

23 posted on 10/13/2008 3:50:02 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: stickandrudder

That was an incredibly stupid movie. It would have been ok if they didn’t try to pretend to know anything about firearms.


24 posted on 10/13/2008 3:51:37 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: mcshot

“I’ll have to stick with my old and common .300 Win mag.”

Wasn’t the military using a 338 Win Mag for sniper use?


25 posted on 10/13/2008 3:52:20 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: SampleMan

You’re job is to kill a guy. What’s humane about that? One of these things hits him, he’s dead real quick.

What’s humane got to do with it? Close quarter getting multiple m-16 rounds tearing you up and dying, or one long-range round taking you out. You can say both aren’t in the ‘humane’ category. You’re killing someone for crying out loud. It’s not torture or cruel and unusual punishment. You’re not dropping a huge vacuum bomb on them and having them hemmorhage their lungs out. It’s a distance thing.


26 posted on 10/13/2008 3:53:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: hiredhand; Squantos

Commentary?


27 posted on 10/13/2008 3:55:21 PM PDT by verity ("Lord, what fools we mortals be!")
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To: mcshot

*300 win mag*

Although I didn’t like it at first, I am now partial to my Rem model 700 in 25/06 cal.


28 posted on 10/13/2008 3:56:16 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (Proud Father of 2 US Marines. Support our troops!)
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To: Dawnsblood

I always believed the .300 Winchester Magnum to be an outstanding long-range (over 1000 meters) anti-personnel round.

I don’t know much about .338 Lapua but it seems to have really caught on.

I frankly see no point in the .408 round.

I do think that US snipers need an anti-personnel round more powerful than the 7.62 X 51 round.


29 posted on 10/13/2008 3:59:42 PM PDT by LSUfan
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To: Secret Agent Man

Well put. Although there is definitely something to be said for jihadis hemmorhaging their lungs out. I’d like to see that on video actually. No widescreen would be even better.


30 posted on 10/13/2008 4:00:38 PM PDT by gost2
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To: umgud
even though it might be a little overkill.

Did that once. Instructor said "Son, you don't need to kill and butcher those varmits at the same time"

31 posted on 10/13/2008 4:13:27 PM PDT by leadhead (I carry a gun because it's lighter than carrying a cop.)
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To: ExSoldier

That’s right I forgot it is the HA. The GC is always cited with this legend thought. I’m surprised to see this ubran legend is still making the rounds considering all the videos that are out there showing Apache’s using 25mm against enemy combatants.


32 posted on 10/13/2008 4:19:02 PM PDT by Ajnin
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To: Secret Agent Man

But you have to be humane, the GC says so.

So you can’t use deforming bullets, but you can rip someone in half with a 155mm shell splinter.

You can’t use tear gas to force them out of a hole, but you can pump the hole full of napalm.

And turning someone into a gelitanized mist of human protoplasm with a Mk-84 is quite acceptable, but cluster bombs are cruel.

Does that make more sense now?


33 posted on 10/13/2008 4:20:12 PM PDT by SampleMan (Community Organizer: What liberals do when they run out of college, before they run out of Marxism.)
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To: Lazamataz

The elephant could hide the gun in its trunk! And it’s not a mammoth you know. Sometimes I kill me!


34 posted on 10/13/2008 4:26:42 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
2-liter bottle silencer used at target 200-300 yds....yeah, ok.

Shooting from a standing position, in a row boat, in water....OK???

2-liter bottle silencer used a second time....uhhh...oh, forget it.

35 posted on 10/13/2008 5:37:22 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: mylife
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36 posted on 10/13/2008 5:48:07 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - McCain/Palin'08 = http://www.johnmccain.com/)
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To: LSUfan
The main argument for the 408 is on aerodynamics and its resulting trajectory.

Supposedly alot of studying and research went into this round. Supposedly reacts less with cross winds and air density than the .50 or .338.

Supposedly an EXTREMELY reliable and accurate round even w/ cold round, and even in unfamiliar hands. Tack driver at 2500 yds.

.338 is GREAT round. I'd like to try this though.

37 posted on 10/13/2008 5:51:30 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: mountn man

They supposedly retrieved the bullet from another mountainside instead of simply shooting the rifle they stole? That bullet somehow remains undamaged?

They went through the trouble for a remote and if they did, why did they need a patsy?

Wouldn’t the remote show a different trajectory?

The garbage about the grassy knoll?

They never checked to see if the rifle they had would work?

What owner pulls the firing pin out of every gun they own before storing it?

Bad movies always do one thing at the end. They don’t know how to end the movie and I call that “painting yourself into a corner”. They make the bad guy so invincible, they forget the hero has to somehow defeat him.

Stupid movie and I own it because someone thought I would like it.


38 posted on 10/13/2008 5:55:08 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Chode

I saw that earlier. Nice pea shooter!


39 posted on 10/13/2008 5:55:15 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of the Masses Could be Farts)
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To: NVDave
recoil comparisons
40 posted on 10/13/2008 5:57:43 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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