The Second American Civil War Is Underway

Modern Conservative ^ | Christopher Cook

[DarthVader]

“The left and the MSM has been very, very stupid to take this to this level of anger.”

Yes they have and it will be a military conflict of a ferocity with which they are not equipped to deal with on all levels.

[wardaddy]

We are not in a Civil War....anyone who thinks we are should read how bloody the last one was or come down where I live and check out what it was really like. We still have signs of the damage down here and the graves to prove it.

We are however sharply and distinctly divided....and dug in. And one side is EXPERIENCING A LONG HELD WAY OF LIFE AND SENSE OF COLLECTIVE IDENTITY TAKEN FROM THEM BY FORCE....that is a key similarity. And yes Virginia, it involves color a bit this time around again....at least the way the sides have lined up. Much like the 1850s.

It is reasonable to think the current strife today which does lay out on racial lines to a degree with so many blacks still not neatly functioning in our culture to the same degree as whites has roots back to the same issues which played in the Civil War. Obama is Lincoln to them today metaphorically except they can vote, even if they are dead, in prison or 7 years old. Recompense for the evils of slavery....let’s call it “enriched enfranchisement”.. The 40 acres and a mules the Radical Republicans never fully delivered is in the works, let’s just give Obama and Nan a chance. ‘Course ya’ll will have to share with other folks of color who know btw outnumber you. Conyo!

But then, it goes beyond black and white too..well beyond.

Folks like this author who think it’s simply a matter of Democrats always bad and GOP always good have no inkling of social conservatism and how it has always played down South and they conveniently ignore the Radical Republicans who while maybe heroes to some revisionist northern GOPers here were the greatest Constitutional usurpers we had known at that time prior to FDR’s plans later in the 1930s.

History is simply more complicated.

Imagine:

Lancasters always right. Yorkists always wrong. Roses stink.

Silly and such logic defines one’s underlying prejudice. (prejudice used as the word should be historically)

[dmz]

So you’ve never been to Austin, I see.

[Leisler]

So, you got the large, ignorant, conditioned mob.
You have their reactionary leadership, soon to take power.
You have legions of lumpen working for, and desperate for their no heavy lifting, short work day, holidays, benefits, pensioned jobs.
You have the financial sector that is now under government command, totally dependent on government license, any bank or financial institute can instantly be shut down upon an ‘examination’.
You have a police/internal security apparatus that will or will not shoot to kill you for, or not for, having a gun, or a joint or something.
You have a monoculture, once lesson learning schools, now really not much more than propaganda factories.

What small percentage of really true belivers were with Lenin? With Hitler? Couldn't happen here. Other than that, things are looking up.

[o_zarkman44]

If Islam believe an economic war will bring down America, then why wouldn’t a peoples economic war against our oppressive, out of control government accomplish the same?

Not that I believe we should bring down America. Quite the contrary. I believe the way to regain power for the Constitutional Republic is to cut off the funding of the left wing socialists within our government. If they have no goodies to hand out every election cycle, they will not be able to compete in the ballot box.

Nearly every action of government has become a strengthening of control over some aspect of free people.

As was part of the first Civil War, states rights will bea part of the 2nd. States are getting tired of sending money to DC, just to have that money used to boss them around. If states would refuse to send tax collections to the Feds, their ability to intimidate will be greatly reduced. The weaklings in Congress would be afraid of initiating a shooting war against Americans based on their obvious lack of stomach for the sacrifices of American Troops in the WOT.

We can regain control without a shot being fired.

[Illuminatas]

Unfortunately, sometimes they are really out to get you.

[popdonnelly]

The pathology of the Left began back in the 1960’s. The World has changed since then, but the Left hasn’t.

I am against violence. It is morally wrong. And in the end it is counter-productive.

I am in favor of people standing up for themselves, standing up for their rights, resisting in every lawful way they can.

[TADSLOS]

Other than that, things are looking up.

LOL!

[mad_as_he$$]

There are really none. Other than you are not suppose to be able to as Abe believed.

[jamaksin]

And remember, parasites eventually kill their host.

[ctdonath2]

we are headed for a division of our country

Dividing what from what? The Civil War was easy: the Mason-Dixon Line clearly marked one side vs. the other. We don't have such a line this time.

Here's a map from 2004 showing the voting tendencies by county:

The dominant feature is that the blue/red divisions (such as they are, which is not a bright line) are urban vs. rural, not a simple line. Consider too that the resolution of that map is only to the county level; zoom in to precinct level, and you'll see the same type of urban/rural division, right up against urban boundaries.

Given that, where do we draw a line? Geographic division is easy when a line can be drawn with a stroke of a pen. What we have is an archipelago, dividing a broad sea from many islands; this is not easily divided.

The only other "line" is the one addressed by a true civil war (the Civil War was really over secession, not over who ruled all), the political persuasion of the legislature/administration/judiciary and the system that flows from there. The only truly viable winner is one who can satisfy (generally speaking) all parties involved, not just which can force their will on the others.

The only viable solution is to persuade one side that what they seek is misguided, that they HAVE the freedom to live as they wish - and if they despair for the fates of others, they must accept that the fate was chosen (to wit: poverty/need/want is largely a choice, not something solved by redistribution of wealth).

Assert life, liberty, and property. Hold to Constitutional values. The system is good, though the occupants may strive to pervert it. Keep the peace by restoring Constitutional rule.

BLOAT.

[ArrogantBustard]

I seem to recall reading (on this forum) that the set of “folks who pay zero income tax” is >30% and < 40% of the population. Many of these are essentially the “takers”. I further seem to recall that 0bama’s “tax plans” would increase that set to somewhere in the neighbourhood of 45% of the population. As long as the folks in that set can vote (essentially, can decide how to spend other peoples’ money), socialism is inevitable.

[rdb3]

Can't argue with you there.

The Bolshevik Revolution was relatively bloodless.

[onedoug]

We’ve been in civil war for a long time now.

[Former Dodger]

Thanks for the post, I agree completely.

I've been telling people that November 4 - 5 will be tough days depending on the results.

The BHO supporters have been hinting that anything other than victory might cause problems, because they are tired of the racism in this country, and anything other than victory will be due to racism, basically.

I also think that at least 30% of the electorate will not vote for BHO because of his alleged race, perhaps another 20%, which overlaps with the first group a little, because they see him as a muslim, and then about 40% (again with overlap) that reject his left-wing commie politics.

Of this group, about 25% will support secession and armed rebellion if McCain does not win, not for love of McCain, but for hatred and distrust of BHO.

So, there's the choice:
*Civil disorder, mostly in Urban areas if BHO loses, or
*Civil War in America, with secession a possibility, as well as violence, if he wins.

There is no third choice, unless it's utter shock if everyone votes for Nader and he wins. BTW, who's his running mate, because they will probably take over after Nader dies from shock at his victory.

This is the most important election of my life (born 1951) and we have to stand together to keep our country strong and the Union intact.

[Entrepreneur]

i think texas can still secede & should

If at first you don't secede, try, try again.

[ArrogantBustard]

The Bolshevik Revolution was relatively bloodless.

True ... the aftermath of the Bolshevik Revolution was incredibly bloody.

[Cacique]

btt

[frankiep]

I see the exact same scenario happening.