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The Second American Civil War Is Underway
Modern Conservative ^ | Christopher Cook

Posted on 10/15/2008 6:21:56 AM PDT by connell

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To: rdb3
Oh, yes ... the French Revolution was also relatively quick and bloodless.

Then came la Terreur ...

Do you recall how Dr. Guillotine died?

62 posted on 10/15/2008 7:17:46 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: She hits a grand slam tonight
Texas reserved the right to secede. The method would still need legal definition. I believe it would first require a county by county vote with a simple majorities of the counties approving it. It would then take an act of both the Legislature and Congress. Then there would be 100 years of court cases trying to stop it.
63 posted on 10/15/2008 7:18:10 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: connell

O ye that love mankind! Ye that dare oppose, not only the tyranny, but the tyrant, stand forth! Every spot of the old world is overrun with oppression. Freedom hath been hunted round the globe. Asia, and Africa, have long expelled her.—Europe regards her like a stranger, and England hath given her warning to depart. O! receive the fugitive, and prepare in time an asylum for mankind.


64 posted on 10/15/2008 7:18:53 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When He rolls up His sleeves, He ain't just puttin' on the Ritz)
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To: connell

Thanks. What this says is clear and God’s truth.

I sent this to all my Email contacts.


65 posted on 10/15/2008 7:19:46 AM PDT by wizr (Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war, With the cross of Jesus going on before)
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To: She hits a grand slam tonight

What cave in Texas are you living in? LOL!


66 posted on 10/15/2008 7:20:32 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Put Palin in the White House. Send McCain to Sun City, AZ)
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To: wardaddy
If Obama wins, we'll be able to trace his ascendancy back to the 1960s. That was when the Democrats began their long march into anti-Americanism and totalitarianism, and the GOP lost any recognition that culture is a defining feature of society. They generally chose not to fight the Democrats on social issues, but to concentrate only on national security and economics. Social conservatives were told that the GOP needed to capitulate in the culture war, since those issues “don't matter”. All we needed to worry about was keeping taxes low and the military strong. It didn't matter who controlled the public schools, didn't matter if millions of people from alien cultures flooded in, didn't matter if abortion and homosexuality were legitimized, didn't matter if the culture became a sewer. Just keep taxes low and maintain a strong defense, and let those “divisive” social issues slide.

Well, we see the result. The nation's demographics are changing, with Democrats now taking several states that were once solid GOP. Most people under age 30, educated by MTV and the publik skools, lean far to the left and are indifferent to their own nation's survival. Speech codes are sprouting up. Diversity training seminars tell us what beliefs we're allowed to hold, at risk of being fired for straying too far outside the PC realm. People increasingly define freedom not as free speech, political liberty, economic liberty, or religious liberty, but as having a “right” to health care, housing, or other goodies, and as a “right” not to be offended by non-PC speech.

And the result is, not only have we lost our culture, but we're not even going to maintain the economic freedom or strong national defense that the “moderate” Republicans supposedly wanted to defend. They never figured out that the reason the left spent so much time pushing social liberalism was that once a society becomes socially liberal, it was automatically demand socialist economics and a passive, weak military. They seemed to think we could have a population of activist homosexuals, abortion-loving feminists, and Third World migrants who were committed to the military, to patriotism, and to economic liberty.

So the impending Obama elevation (if it occurs) will be the final judgment on “moderate” Republicanism. And that judgment is, it doesn't work. It only whets the public’s appetite for dependency and socialism. Looks like the hated Southern social conservatives and Northern ethnic Catholics were right all along.

But I have great confidence in the ability of some around here to tell us, if Obama wins, that his election proves we need to be even more socially liberal in future elections.

67 posted on 10/15/2008 7:28:39 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: connell

“Conservatives” and “Republicans” are separate terms. Republicans are going to have to earn the votes.


68 posted on 10/15/2008 7:31:11 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: She hits a grand slam tonight
i think texas can still secede & should

I don't disagree with you and think that we would be better off with a separate group of states with conservative principles forming a new country. I'm in the part of Virginia that would certainly vote to stay with the left wing liberals, unfortunately.

However, as I said, when it was tried the last time, the result was a rather decisive victory for the "once in, never out" side. What do you think B. Hussein Obama would do if, say, 20 states voted in a plebiscite to negotiate an orderly succession from the United States? Do you have any doubt whatsoever that his reaction would be the same as it was in 1861? Exactly what would happen when he ordered the US Military to capture the governor and legislature of the succeeding states is a difficult question.

Or, suppose it's 2013 and John McCain has served one term as President and decided not to run for a second. Sarah Palin has been elected President with another election in which the country was geographically divided. 20 states, including all of New England, California, Oregon, Washington and the Great Lakes states have a plebiscite in which they vote to succeed and join the European Union (California and New Mexico vote to become part of Mexico.) In this case, I hope the reaction would be to wave goodbye and start installing the fences.

The point being that the left and right might view succession differently.

Jack

69 posted on 10/15/2008 7:34:08 AM PDT by JackOfVA
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To: wardaddy

Oh, yes, and I should have commented on this aspect: The constant attempt around here to link modern, far left, totalitarian, multiculturalist Democrats with the Democrats of the post-Civil War era is beyond bizarre. It’s like telling a conservative voter in North Carolina in 1984 that he should have voted against Reagan & Helms because the GOP was the party that invaded their state in the Civil War and later imposed Reconstruction on them. We’ve had a record number of posts this year arguing that blacks should reject Obama because the Dems housed anti-black politicians circa 1898 or 1936, as if that has any relevance whatsoever today. Anyone posting that “Martin Luther King was a Republican” stuff must truly think blacks are stupid. Either that, or they think we’re stupid.


70 posted on 10/15/2008 7:36:49 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: Red Badger

I can see the next Congress releasing all in prisons that will aid the Cause. Many of the thugs are born organizers, probably smarter than Oboomerang.

This will be ugly. Those of us who do not fall in line will be eliminated, not just jailed.

If you don’t know how to pray, you had better start. And I don’t mean to allah (no caps for demigods). This could be the last chance for those sitting on the spiritual fence.

I was there once. No more. They can take my life, but not my soul. I am just a pilgrim here. Thank You, Jesus.


71 posted on 10/15/2008 7:37:41 AM PDT by wizr (Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war, With the cross of Jesus going on before)
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To: JackOfVA

But, but, but, the Constitution is a ‘living’ document that needs to be brought into a contemporary interpretation, no?


72 posted on 10/15/2008 7:39:23 AM PDT by informavoracious (Oust all incumbents.)
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To: connell

bump


73 posted on 10/15/2008 7:47:14 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: ctdonath2

The North and South could have survived without one another. If the South had won and gone their separate way, it would have simply been another case of a region breaking off from an established nation, something that has happened many times in history.

But liberals cannot survive without conservatives. If we were to somehow ideologically segregate the nation, and then split it into two countries, the leftist nation would degenerate into savagery literally within hours. There would be hordes of people clamoring to get across the border into the rightist side in no time.

It isn’t that all liberals are dependent people. Some are quite wealthy. But those wealthy liberals use the conservative middle class as a buffer against the large number of liberals who are indeed dependent, prone to violence, and culturally degraded. If we were to split into separate leftist and righting nations, the upscale white leftists such as Kos, Streisand, and all the others would find themselves outvoted immediately by the welfare crazed, affirmative action demanding masses wanting “housing”, “health care”, racial preferences, and so forth. They need a conservative presence in society as a buffer to allow them to indulge their liberal fantasies against the reality of what socialism and diversity really mean.


74 posted on 10/15/2008 7:47:14 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: Jack Black
Don't you have a favorite MSM "reporter" you could go on a camping trip with.

Should a few thousands of "reporters" go on extended camping trips, the remainder may not be in a mood for espousing their commie rhetoric.


Just asking ...


Fiddle-dee-dee.

War, war, war.

This war talk's spoiling all the fun at every party this spring.

I get so bored I could scream.

Besides, there isn't going to be any war!
" — Scarlett O'Hara in Gone With the Wind

75 posted on 10/15/2008 7:47:37 AM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: connell

Considering the racist hatred shown by blacks on the subject of Obama, and tossing in the known violence left-wingers are prone to when they don’t get their way, I’m glad left-wingers don’t believe in firearms and we do.


76 posted on 10/15/2008 7:52:16 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: JackOfVA

“It was decided between 1861 and 1865 that the Constitution is a “once in, never out” document.”

I like to think of it as “Might is Right”. The South just had less might, but not anymore. The liberal north is weak and morally corrupt and has lost its manufacturing that gave it the advantage in the Civil War.


77 posted on 10/15/2008 7:54:16 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: mysterio

“’Conservatives’ and ‘Republicans’ are separate terms.”

Well said. The Republican party more closely supports the conservative American viewpoint.


78 posted on 10/15/2008 7:56:46 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: CapnJack
Some time after he takes office there will be an attempt on his life by some hired stooge of the left and Obama, with a gun.

This guy's right, historically, it's not our side that nourishes the fruit of violence. I think a PUMA will attempt to take him out, we'll get blamed and you'll be right; they'll round up the guns.

79 posted on 10/15/2008 7:58:31 AM PDT by Marie (Charlie Gibson is a condescending tool...)
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To: ctdonath2
Dividing what from what? The Civil War was easy: the Mason-Dixon Line clearly marked one side vs. the other. We don't have such a line this time.

Bingo. That is the crux of the issue. Had we been divided by geographical lines, we'd be divorced already.

And I think it would be a lot less painful that way. As it is, one side has to hold victory over the other.

I'm just afraid because it appears that Socialism always wins. Heck, it's crept over the planet like a disease. We're the only Western nation that's kept it at bay this long.

80 posted on 10/15/2008 8:04:05 AM PDT by Marie (Charlie Gibson is a condescending tool...)
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