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Pit bull apologists always sing the same tune
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Posted on 10/16/2008 10:28:46 PM PDT by Chet 99

Pit bull apologists always sing the same tune

I'm deeply saddened by the tragic death of yet another innocent child, Katya Todesco, due to what should be defined as an act of domestic terrorism, perpetrated by the dog's owner.

As a father of two children, and a responsible owner of two dogs, I know both sides of this sad story. Yet the story is nearly always the same with a pit bull attack: a child attacked, sometimes killed; a funeral with a small casket is held, and the owners walk free, perplexed at how their "good dog" could have done such a thing.

Then it's the usual defenders like Kathy Jenks employing distorted logic to claim that pit bulls are no more dangerous than any other dog, which anyone with two eyes and one ounce of common sense knows is absurd.

She cites Labrador retrievers as one of the "biters" in a dog bite study, which is false logic, since Labs are America's most popular dog.

But Labs aren't known for killing people; pit bulls are, and the facts support this. In fact, a University of Minnesota study of 19 years listed human deaths from pit bulls at 66, Rottweilers at 39. Labradors and Chihuahuas somehow escaped the study as killers.

The Clifton study, performed over 24 years, lists pit bulls 5,500 percent more likely to kill a human than a Labrador. Coincidentally, no insurance company will insure a homeowner with either a pit bull or a Rottweiler.

Also, the pit bull breed has been banned outright in 25 U.S. cities so far, and six countries and many other major foreign cities, for good reason: The breed is a menace that has no place in our communities and should be banned nationally.

But if we refuse to protect our kids from these dangerous animals, at the very least manslaughter charges should be brought against pit bull owners whose dogs kill.


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1 posted on 10/16/2008 10:28:47 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: Chet 99
"Acorn:"
"The Acorn Newspapers are in no way affiliated with ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform) which has been involved in recent controversy regarding the upcoming presidental election. ACORN is a political advocacy group. The Acorn Newspapers are named after the seed from which tall oak trees grow. There is no connection."


2 posted on 10/16/2008 10:33:35 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: Chet 99
Pit bull apologists always sing the same tune

They will be on scene shortly. The breed is a dangerous menace.

3 posted on 10/16/2008 10:34:39 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Chet 99

Pitbulls shouldn’t be banned. The owners should be held accountable for the actions of their dogs. Pitbulls are well known for being dangerous and it’s common sense to have an arrangement that mitigates the danger to the public. We don’t need any more nannystate intervention from the government.


4 posted on 10/16/2008 10:34:47 PM PDT by Ajnin
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To: Chet 99

“should be banned nationally. “

A nanny state government telling us which kind of dogs we are allowed to own? No thanks.


5 posted on 10/16/2008 10:36:32 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: death2tyrants
OK, then if your pit bull kills my kid, you should be up for premeditated murder charges.

There is no need for that breed of dog.

6 posted on 10/16/2008 10:38:49 PM PDT by Carling (Obama: He Hates Plumbers)
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To: Carling

Fair enough if all breeds are held to the same standard.


7 posted on 10/16/2008 10:40:51 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Melas

i agree with you


8 posted on 10/16/2008 10:42:19 PM PDT by wardaddy (I believe the undead mainstream media poses a bigger threat to us than radical Islam..)
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To: Melas
Stats don't lie.

The pit bull is a menace. My niece was mauled by one for no reason. She lived, but she has a brutal scar.

Thank God that dog was killed.

9 posted on 10/16/2008 10:42:46 PM PDT by Carling (Obama: He Hates Plumbers)
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To: Ajnin
"Pitbulls shouldn’t be banned. The owners should be held accountable..."

Half of the pit bull's heritage--the white terrier--was eradicated as a wrongfully bred and destructive dog. Pit bulls will be made extinct, so that we won't have to put up with their owners' neglect of consequences (a common trait of criminals).


10 posted on 10/16/2008 10:43:18 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: death2tyrants; Chet 99
A nanny state government telling us which kind of dogs we are allowed to own? No thanks.

Why not lions and tigers, too, while you're at it?

11 posted on 10/16/2008 10:44:18 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Chet 99
Its not the dog. Its the owner. You need to train a dog to be responsible. Owning a dog is different from owning a cat. A cat is self trained for the most part. A dog needs to be shown what to do.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

12 posted on 10/16/2008 10:45:11 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Chet 99
Bears repeating:

"..at the very least manslaughter charges should be brought against pit bull owners whose dogs kill."


13 posted on 10/16/2008 10:45:38 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Carling
The pit bull is a menace.

I think pit bull owners are a menace,too.

All the pit bull owners I've seen look and act like low-life losers.

14 posted on 10/16/2008 10:46:09 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
Ping to another pit bull thread.

Zombies would rather take their chances on imprisonment than give up their meth lab security.


15 posted on 10/16/2008 10:50:29 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: Chet 99

IIRC pits are 9% of the dawgs and 65% of the maulings,,,

Put em down!...

I posted this on another thread :
~~~
“I think this makes about 18-20 people killed this year,,,

We had a close call last week when I took the yorkie out

in the front,,,

One of the kids next door let one of the pits out the front

door when she went outside,,,

POS dawg ran straight at us,,,couldn’t risk a shot,,,(kids)

We hauled ass back in the house,,,called the cops,,,

The rookie that showed up started tellin’ me all about

“Their” rights to have all the “PETS” they wanted,,,

I asked him to go over and inform them of the leash law,,,

As soon as he knocked on the door all the dawgs in the

house started razzin’ hell,lunging at the door,,,

Our “Hero” went for his gun while tryin’ to back up from

the door,,,nearly fell on his ass,,,(I’m laffin’ by now)

Thug woman got the door open a crack,,,puppies tryin’ to

wiggle out,,,POS dawgs still snarlin’,,,(he’s pissed now)

I don’t know what he told them,,,

Came back in a few red faced and sweating,,,

“I’ll Make A Report!”,,,

Strangely,,,Some of the larger ones chained out back

were Gone a few days later,,,Sold to the crack-heads I

guess,,,

While they were still alive...;0)”
~~~
Only about 15 left now...


16 posted on 10/16/2008 10:51:02 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Carling

There’s no need for private ownership of any breed of dog. How much knee jerk government intervention in your life are you willing to put up with?


17 posted on 10/16/2008 10:51:50 PM PDT by Ajnin
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To: familyop

Beat me again!...;0)


18 posted on 10/16/2008 10:52:24 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Chet 99

A two month old baby was just attacked and killed by a pit bull here as well.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081007/NEWS01/810070363


19 posted on 10/16/2008 10:53:18 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Carling

“There is no need for that breed of dog.”

Yes there is. If there is a demand for them, than there is a need for them. Simple economics of free people.


20 posted on 10/16/2008 10:57:05 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: death2tyrants

With all these alleged conservatives screaming for more big government, it’s no wonder this country is in the mess it’s in.


21 posted on 10/16/2008 10:58:01 PM PDT by Ajnin
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To: Chet 99

It IS always the same story...thugs buy a dog, chain it up outside and neglect the crap out of it.

But don’t hold the thugs responsible for the monster they create; don’t hold them responsible when they shoot people either.

Ban the guns.
Ban the dogs.
Ban the little plastic baggies (Chicago’s newest front in the ban-frenzy).


22 posted on 10/16/2008 10:58:32 PM PDT by BobbyT
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To: Age of Reason

Those are legal as well, as long as you have a license. I like it the way it is, up to the state government and not the federal government.


23 posted on 10/16/2008 11:02:58 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: Chet 99
Some trashy people and corrupt public officials complain about people carrying these by the homes of pit bull owners--just in case.



But fickle, untrustworthy pit bulls in public cause far more unhealthy avoidance and stress than human beings carrying shotguns. And pit bull owners typically get their beasts for the purpose of making their neighbors fear for their families' lives.

In many areas, it is perfectly legal to openly carry weapons by a residence where dangerous animals are harbored. Be safe. Don't point at anything that you're not about to kill. And ignore the whinings of criminals.


24 posted on 10/16/2008 11:04:05 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: Ajnin

Agreed. There’s just never enough micro-management by the federal government for some people.


25 posted on 10/16/2008 11:05:23 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: death2tyrants

Fine. You walk around with a statistical ticking time bomb, you do the time when my niece gets mauled.

The risk factor is proven, so own up to it and stop blaming people who have had to live through the horror of this breed.


26 posted on 10/16/2008 11:12:10 PM PDT by Carling (Obama: He Hates Plumbers)
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To: Ajnin
"With all these alleged conservatives screaming for more big government, it’s no wonder this country is in the mess it’s in."

We're conservatives--not pimps, pushers or calculating breeders of monsters. Liberaltarian lawyers (indeed, whole state Bar associations) have lobbied hard for most of the worst social programs that we have now for the purpose of strengthening the divorce industry and enlarging the labor pool. They are no better than the anarchists of decades ago in Europe--insidious provocateurs for communists.


27 posted on 10/16/2008 11:13:33 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: kaehurowing

So sad,,,pits will attack for no reason,,,

Anything/anybody,,,kids or any small dawgs/etc.

Anything that don’t KILL them first,,,

Any owner who has a pit that kills a person should go to

jail for life!!!


28 posted on 10/16/2008 11:16:09 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Carling

...same here regarding my niece. And in a former neighborhood of mine, a two-year-old was killed by two pit bulls that had a twelve-foot chain link fence around them. The owner went away for second degree murder.

But after that, the abominations became even more popular in the area. Criminals, being full of vanity and intentional ignorance of consequences, love to practice neglect and tempt consequences.

More maulings and deaths followed. Some public officials went to prison for crimes related to the mentality. Others were discharged. Others lost professional licenses.

If there are many pit bulls in an area, it’s a trashy community and likely mobbed-up.


29 posted on 10/16/2008 11:20:27 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: familyop
You are clamoring for more big government intrusion when you advocate for the banning of a certain breed of dog. You think you have good intentions. Need I remind you what the road to hell is paved with? Take a look at the CRA. Passed with good intentions, it is now the root of America's economic problems.

When you ban a dog because you thinks it's icky, that opens the door for government intrusion. As we have seen with the tobacco industry, the intrusion will not be limited to dogs.

30 posted on 10/16/2008 11:23:43 PM PDT by Ajnin
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To: familyop

We don’t allow the average citizen to keep a lion or a wolverine as a pet without special permits.

Why a pit bull? Because it is canine? I can’t have a full-bred grey wolf as a pet. I want one.


31 posted on 10/16/2008 11:24:37 PM PDT by Carling (Obama: He Hates Plumbers)
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To: Carling

“Fine. You walk around with a statistical ticking time bomb, you do the time when my niece gets mauled.

The risk factor is proven, so own up to it and stop blaming people who have had to live through the horror of this breed.”
~~~
Bump Dat!!!

I hope she’s OK now,,,

Prayers Up...

Yes the risk factor is PROVEN!!!


32 posted on 10/16/2008 11:25:06 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Ajnin
"You are clamoring for more big government intrusion when you advocate for the banning of a certain breed of dog."

On the contrary, killing pit bulls is cheap and therapeutic, and we have a constitutional right to outlaw and dispose of public menaces produced by criminals. Our Nation's founding fathers hung sodomites.

It's not a civil matter. It's my party, and I'll kill pit bulls, if I want to.


33 posted on 10/16/2008 11:39:23 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: familyop

Seeing the words ‘pitbull’ and ‘acorn’ juxtaposed together I was expecting a very different article!


34 posted on 10/16/2008 11:40:44 PM PDT by eclecticEel (men who believe deeply in something, even wrong, usually triumph over men who believe in nothing)
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To: Ajnin

Ya’ mite wanna read Bill Jordan’s book...


35 posted on 10/16/2008 11:41:14 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Carling
"We don’t allow the average citizen to keep a lion or a wolverine as a pet without special permits.

Why a pit bull? Because it is canine? I can’t have a full-bred grey wolf as a pet. I want one.
"

That's a great argument. Exotic dangerous animals are expensive to contain. So should common dangerous animals require such containments.

Pit bull zombies also often use analogies between pit bulls and things that require human assistance in order to be dangerous (e.g. firearms). Pit bulls have minds of their own--minds corrupt by way of intentional and wrongful misbreeding.


36 posted on 10/16/2008 11:47:00 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: Carling
OK, then if your pit bull kills my kid, you should be up for premeditated murder charges.

That should be true of any breed of dog, provided that your kid wasn't doing something illegal like trespassing in a fenced and marked enclosure or a residence. Dog owners need to take responsibility for their dogs regardless of the breed. The real problem are the idiots that keep aggressive dogs as a way to demonstrate their machismo. It doesn't matter whether it's a pit, a tosaken or a rottweiler. If you get an aggressive dog, neglect it, don't train it and don't properly contain it, you've got a time bomb on your hands. Unfortunately, this is common among some groups of people.

37 posted on 10/16/2008 11:50:21 PM PDT by elmer fudd (Fukoku kyohei)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
"Only about 15 left now..."

There are more pit bulls over there? I reckon those folks will have more negative meetings with the law in the near future. It's too bad that so many other neighbors (not you or me) are too afraid to speak up and do something.

Maybe we need to reach out a little more and advertise and organize when possible.


38 posted on 10/16/2008 11:53:08 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: familyop
Zombies would rather take their chances on imprisonment than give up their meth lab security.

You've put your finger on it.

39 posted on 10/16/2008 11:57:29 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: elmer fudd
"That should be true of any breed of dog, provided that your kid wasn't doing something illegal like trespassing in a fenced and marked enclosure or a residence."

According to the court record, the 2-year-old in my former neighborhood climbed a 12-foot fence. The two pit bulls behind the fence then killed the child. The owner went down for second degree murder. It's not legal in that State to kill anyone only for trespassing. ...same in most states.

Being put in prison for good probably kept the pit bull owner from being killed.


40 posted on 10/16/2008 11:59:10 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: eclecticEel
"Seeing the words ‘pitbull’ and ‘acorn’ juxtaposed together I was expecting a very different article!"

Me, too. That's why I posted the quote in comment #2.


41 posted on 10/17/2008 12:02:08 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: familyop
"He Won't Bite!" Image and video hosting by TinyPic "He's MY Pet!"...
42 posted on 10/17/2008 12:02:58 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: elmer fudd

And BTW, yes, the part about the 2-year-old climbing the 12-foot fence was weird. But that’s what the court record and local newspapers said. That was back during the ‘90s. And under the circumstances, some lack of tolerance might have been involved.


43 posted on 10/17/2008 12:04:35 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

Heh. That’s a good one and a good analogy! :-)


44 posted on 10/17/2008 12:05:33 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
Knock-knock-knock!

"Who's there?"

"Candygram."


45 posted on 10/17/2008 12:06:07 AM PDT by Allegra (NO giving up, NO quitting, NO doom and gloom, NO drama queens...Keep up the faith)
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To: familyop

Only about 15 left now...”

There are more pit bulls over there? I reckon those folks will have more negative meetings with the law in the near future. It’s too bad that so many other neighbors (not you or me) are too afraid to speak up and do something.

Maybe we need to reach out a little more and advertise and organize when possible.
~~~
Sho’Izz!,,,

Hopefully “Our Hero” wrote a good report and put a copy on

the Capt.’s desk,,,

I’ll know it when I hear the ram hit the door and the

MP-5’s go off...;0)


46 posted on 10/17/2008 12:16:07 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

Which Bill Jordan and which book. If you are referring to Border Patrol legend Bill Jordan I’ve already read “No Second Place Winners.”


47 posted on 10/17/2008 12:17:02 AM PDT by Ajnin
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To: Allegra

Hey,Kiddo!!!,,,Long time no see’um!!!

Don’t mind us,,,Just tryin’ not to get ET’...;0)


48 posted on 10/17/2008 12:19:32 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: familyop

If a 2 year old manages to climb over a 12 foot fence to get to the dogs, then the parent or guardian needs to do some prison time, not the dog owners. That’s a kid that’s not properly supervised.

It’s not a matter of killing people for trespassing either. It’s a matter of reasonably containing your animals. If I hop over an electric fence and get killed by a farmer’s bull, that’s my own dumb fault not the farmers.


49 posted on 10/17/2008 12:20:37 AM PDT by elmer fudd (Fukoku kyohei)
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To: Ajnin

That’s the one...


50 posted on 10/17/2008 12:21:57 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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