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Hawaii governor says nation wouldn’t be safe under Obama (says Obama "touts" he is from Hawaii)
Las Vegas Sun ^

Posted on 10/16/2008 11:25:39 PM PDT by Chet 99

Echoing the theme of recent John McCain campaign ads that claim Barack Obama associates with terrorists, Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle told a small Henderson audience that in this presidential election “it’s the protection of your families that’s at stake.”

If the choice between the Republican and Democratic nominees is “posed in this fashion,” she said, then voters are “going to say McCain.”

Lingle’s stump speech for McCain attracted only about 60 people to the Henderson Convention Center on Wednesday afternoon — chairs were taken away shortly before she arrived. By contrast, nearly a thousand came to the same venue to hear Mitt Romney speak in August.

Besides mentioning McCain’s history of crossing party lines, Lingle hardly touched on the Arizona senator’s record and instead focused on Obama.

Policy wasn’t mentioned. In fact, she said the two candidates can “talk all they want” about their plans on issues such as health care and energy, but it “really comes down to: Who do you want to be sitting in the White House when it comes down to the security of America?”

McCain’s campaign has come under fire recently for what some have called scare tactics, and McCain was forced to diffuse the fears of his supporters and defend Obama at a recent rally: “He’s a decent family man, citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that’s what this campaign is all about.”

Lingle, though, repeatedly framed the presidential election in terms of the physical safety of Americans and painted Obama as a mysterious figure who is uncomfortable with leadership.

She said voting for Obama would put the safety of the country’s children in the “hands of someone we hardly know.” (She also added that despite Obama’s touting he is from Hawaii, she has never met him and he has “never called me on the phone.”)

Ultimately the country judges the president by how he deals with the unexpected, Lingle said, and Obama “is not a person who will make the tough calls.”


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: antichrist; birthcertificate; certifigate; hi2008; lingle; obama
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1 posted on 10/16/2008 11:25:40 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: Chet 99
She also added that despite Obama’s touting he is from Hawaii

She's the governor of Hawaii. It's obvious she knows that there is no birth certificate.
2 posted on 10/16/2008 11:30:26 PM PDT by Brown Deer
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To: Brown Deer
It doesn't matter where he was born -- Hawaii, Mombasa, wherever.

His father bigamously "married" Stanley Dunham, Obama's mother. Under U.S. law, Barack Obama is illegitimate. The fact that his mother was legally unmarried means that the residency requirements, etc., that people have been talking about didn't apply to her and her son Barack, and therefore Barack Obama was born a U.S. citizen through his mother. (No five-year residence requirement, but only one, I think is the rule.)

Therefore Barack Obama is a U.S. citizen by birth, and the challenge Philip Berg is putting up should fail, even if eyewitness and documentary proof is found, that Barack Obama was born in a Mombasa hospital.

3 posted on 10/16/2008 11:44:11 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

If they didn’t marry, why did they bother to get a divorce?


4 posted on 10/16/2008 11:58:04 PM PDT by Gemsbok (Fight voter FRAUD (Acorn)(Obama) and be a poll worker or observer: Get in their face!!!)
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To: Brown Deer; Calpernia; Kevmo; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; Polarik; PhilDragoo; ...
She also added that despite Obama’s touting he is from Hawaii

She's the governor of Hawaii. It's obvious she knows that there is no birth certificate.

Thanks, Brown Deer. Uff dah. (Showing off my Norwegian.)

Ping.

5 posted on 10/16/2008 11:58:30 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT

Hmm. Only a court can decide what’s what, I’m afraid.

And if Frank Marshall Davis is his father, might he still not be a U.S. citizen?


6 posted on 10/17/2008 12:04:03 AM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: Gemsbok
Their divorce shouldn't have been any more valid than their pretended marriage.

The only husband I think Stanley Dunham had was Lolo Soetoro. She would have been married to Obama Sr. under Kenyan law if she'd stayed in Kenya, but the accounts make clear that she only went there for a visit, not to live, and that she was a resident of Hawaii at the time Obama was born -- and still single under U.S. law.

I think her pretended marriage to Obama was undertaken simply to spare her family, and Junior, the humiliation of an old story: white girl gets involved with African man to prove her broadmindedness and moral ascendancy to herself and everyone else, then she gets nailed -- pregnant, and dumped.

All Barack's daddy ever gave him was a DNA string and a name -- and a huge, massive insult to his mother and her family. And, of course, rejection and dismissal for himself.

7 posted on 10/17/2008 12:12:58 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

According to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between “December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986? . Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents, which of course is what exempts McCain,though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates: If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawaii being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t matter *after* . In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship.


8 posted on 10/17/2008 12:16:59 AM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: LucyT

She didn’t go to Disneyland (Gov. Christ s/).


9 posted on 10/17/2008 12:25:40 AM PDT by tomymind
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To: Chet 99

(She also added that despite Obama’s touting he is from Hawaii, she has never met him and he has “never called me on the phone.”)
***I wonder why this statement is in parentheses? It’s also couched in weasel terms. I do not understand why so many have been pussyfooting around this issue.


10 posted on 10/17/2008 12:35:19 AM PDT by Kevmo (I love that sound and please let that baby keep on crying. ~Sarah Palin)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Sorry, but you are wrong. The residency requirements apply to a child with only one US citizen parent, it doesn’t matter if that parent is married or single,if they are married to a non US citizen then they have to meet the residency requirements, it isn’t a “single” parent it is one US citizen parent. If Bozo was born in Kenya or any country but the US he is NOT a natural born citizen. Period.


11 posted on 10/17/2008 12:36:09 AM PDT by calex59
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To: LucyT

Thanks LucyT,

After reading post #8 of tallyhoe, this could be the October surprise.


12 posted on 10/17/2008 12:36:37 AM PDT by sweetiepiezer (WAKE UP AMERICA AND FIGHT WITH McCAIN/PALIN , help save the land we love.)
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To: tallyhoe
Thanks for reciting the argument, but it simply does not apply.

Barack Obama only had one parent. His mother was an unmarried U.S. Citizen resident in Hawaii and travelling abroad when he was born.

The rule I cited is that a single mother bearing a child need only have been a resident of the U.S. for a year before bringing forth. The age and five-year residency requirements don't apply to her and her son because she was single and her child illegitimate.

13 posted on 10/17/2008 12:42:50 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: calex59
...if they are married to a non US citizen then they have to meet the residency requirements....

That is the whole point. She was never married to Obama's hit-and-run daddy. The "marriage" was a nullity under U.S. law, null and void.

Therefore, only the mother's citizenship status is considered.

14 posted on 10/17/2008 12:46:41 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Intimations of virgin birth aside, the Obamessiah indeed had two parents, only one of whom was a U.S. citizen. The fact that his parents were not legally married does not change this fact.


15 posted on 10/17/2008 1:08:23 AM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

No - Barack Obama Senior never legally married Kezia; it was a village marriage (common law marriage).

Staley Ann Dunham Obama was divorced from Obama Senior, in Hawaii, before she married her second husband.


16 posted on 10/17/2008 1:26:48 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Since is father was not a citizen of the United States the Law between 1952 and 1986 states that the mother had to reside in the United States at least 10 years and Hawaii was a territory. Plus the mother married an Indonesian citizen and he adopted Barack Obama which made him a citizen of Indonesia. You can’t have duel citizenship’s in the United States. He automatically forfeited his U.S. Citizenship.


17 posted on 10/17/2008 1:55:03 AM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: lentulusgracchus
Very interesting commentary back and forth. I think either way, this truth should be made available to the American public. Could it actually generate sympathy for hussein? Quite possibly, in some circle, however with all of the untruths surrounding this man's life, the American public deserves to at least know what and where this guy is from.
18 posted on 10/17/2008 1:57:32 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Therefore Barack Obama is a U.S. citizen by birth, and the challenge Philip Berg is putting up should fail, even if eyewitness and documentary proof is found, that Barack Obama was born in a Mombasa hospital

That set aside, what about his Indonesian connection???

19 posted on 10/17/2008 2:04:26 AM PDT by danamco
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To: SatinDoll

**Staley Ann Dunham Obama ***

Is she still around? Is the MSM camped out on her door?

Inquiring minds want toknow!


20 posted on 10/17/2008 2:39:19 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (We're not supporting clean coal --- Joe Biden)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Is she still around? Is the MSM camped out on her door?

I jumped the gun. She died in 1995 of ovarian cancer.


21 posted on 10/17/2008 2:41:14 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (We're not supporting clean coal --- Joe Biden)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I think you are missing the point. The LAW is irrelevant. IF true - and I doubt it is - then what matters is the long running and deliberate deception.

It wouldn’t sway the 40% democrat base, but would change the minds of enough independents to put McCain in the White House...and that is a bit scary as well!


22 posted on 10/17/2008 2:48:18 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Government that is powerful enough to protect you is only one election away from attacking you.)
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To: SatinDoll

State law in Hawaii would recognise a common-law marriage contracted in another jurisdiction as binding in Hawaii, and, therefore, invalidating a subsequent marriage in Hawaii.


23 posted on 10/17/2008 2:49:55 AM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Unfortunately, many Americans will simply perceive the reports of his history in the US as justification for him being identifiable as a US citizen. If the law says he isn’t for sound reasons, they will tend to be just as amenable to change the law as to deny Obama his candidacy.

IMHO, its a ploy to allow illegal immigrants to be included in the voter records as a side benefit. The rest they feel they can spin in any direction.

One thing is obvious to me if one exhibits wherewithal.

Obama is reputed to be a Harvard trained lawyer whose specialty is Constitutional Law and has been raised within a broken family with unabashedly close to embedded ties to socialism.

Either he respects the institutions of volition, marriage, family, national and state governnance or he ignores them.

If he respected those institutions, I would fully expect to continuously hear his complements of our political systems which foster those institutions and a personal dedication to synthesize methods to bolster those institutions.

Not only do I not observe such thinking or behavior manifest of such thinking on his behalf, I repeatedly witness his association, statements, and arrogance associated with one who is an enemy of those institutions.

IMHO, most Americans never think that deeply about their elected government officials. Some are only interested in how they will effect their taxes and pocketbook. Some vote along social associations, such as if they grew up in a union, they tend to identify the label of Democrat with ally.

Most Americans don’t listen and hear what the candidates are actually saying. The scary thing is that Obama has been saying he is an enemy of volition, marriage, family, national governance with very simple statements throughout his adult history, even on the campaign trail.

If elected, the stage of arrogance for him is likely to be one of perceiving public encouragement of whatever he emotes. He will interpret an election into office as public acceptance and encouragement of his personal thinking.

If we think he is arrogant now, just wait until he gains more power.

IMHO, he is somewhat involved in a long running and deliberate deception, but he has behaved with it for so long, that I suspect he actually has become self-deceived. Now when he telegraphs this in open statements manifesting his arrogance, the American public just categorize his speaking not for his content, but as things politicians do when they campaign for office.

People are loosing any opportunity for an American dream with this month’s economic activity. After listening to Obama deliver a prepared roast-like, white tie, dinner speech last night, I couldn’t refrain from associating his jokes about people who’ve lost everything they have and their life savings to Marie Antoinette’s “Let them eat cake.”

Obama, IMHO, is a study in arrogance.


24 posted on 10/17/2008 3:31:07 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Philo-Junius

Back in 1964? That is when she finalized the divorce from him.


25 posted on 10/17/2008 3:31:31 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: lentulusgracchus
It doesn't matter where he was born -- Hawaii, Mombasa, wherever.

His father bigamously "married" Stanley Dunham, Obama's mother. Under U.S. law, Barack Obama is illegitimate. The fact that his mother was legally unmarried means that the residency requirements, etc., that people have been talking about didn't apply to her and her son Barack, and therefore Barack Obama was born a U.S. citizen through his mother. (No five-year residence requirement, but only one, I think is the rule.)

Therefore Barack Obama is a U.S. citizen by birth, and the challenge Philip Berg is putting up should fail, even if eyewitness and documentary proof is found, that Barack Obama was born in a Mombasa hospital.

Everything you said, except the names of people you mentioned, is false. By any definition, OBama is NOT a natural-born citizen, and the citizenship laws apply to Stanley Dunham whether she was formally married, married to a polygamist, not married, or artificially inseminated by an anonymous sperm donor selected at random.

The legal citizenship requirements that were in force from Dec. 24, 1952 to Nov. 13, 1986, encompassing the time of Obama's birth, state, "If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16."The law applies to the place of birth, first, and the citizenship of Barack's mother at the time of his birth, regardless of how, and by whom, his mother was impregnated,

A female who has given birth to a child is the "parent" of that child in the strictest of terms, even if it is just biological -- for which Article II makes no distinction.

Obama was NOT claimed by anyone else other than Stanley Dunham as his or her child, so she is his "parent," period.

Even if a mother gives her child up for adoption, she is still the "biological parent," and that never changes,

The fact that Article II is concerned with the legal age, the citizenship, and the time of residency in the US, length of time the "parent" was a citizen and legal resident, and says absolutely ZIP about the moral and legal responsibilities of the mother who brought the child into the world, let alone the genetics involved in the process, should have been your first clue.

If Obama was not born in Kenya, the only way that he would gain US citizenship is through it being imputed to him through his mother after he reached the age of 18, and not before, provided that his mother had retained her US citizenship and residency requirements at the time.

For all the legal reasons why John McCain IS a natural-born citizen, are the same ones why Obama IS NOT a natural-born citizen.

26 posted on 10/17/2008 3:44:26 AM PDT by Polarik ("The Greater Evil")
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To: lentulusgracchus

“His father bigamously “married” Stanley Dunham, Obama’s mother. Under U.S. law, Barack Obama is illegitimate. The fact that his mother was legally unmarried means that the residency requirements, etc., that people have been talking about didn’t apply to her and her son Barack, and therefore Barack Obama was born a U.S. citizen through his mother. (No five-year residence requirement, but only one, I think is the rule.)”

I’m sorry, but you are incorrect. The issues isn’t illegitimacy because even if she was illegally married, she was (not) married to a non-citizen. The citizien requirement would still fall to her, and she still doesn’t qualify.


27 posted on 10/17/2008 4:00:04 AM PDT by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: lentulusgracchus

“His father bigamously “married” Stanley Dunham, Obama’s mother. Under U.S. law, Barack Obama is illegitimate. The fact that his mother was legally unmarried means that the residency requirements, etc., that people have been talking about didn’t apply to her and her son Barack, and therefore Barack Obama was born a U.S. citizen through his mother. (No five-year residence requirement, but only one, I think is the rule.)”

I’m sorry, but you are incorrect. The issues isn’t illegitimacy because even if she was illegally married, she was (not) married to a non-citizen. The citizien requirement would still fall to her, and she still doesn’t qualify.


28 posted on 10/17/2008 4:00:06 AM PDT by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

“Is she still around? Is the MSM camped out on her door?

Inquiring minds want toknow!”

Inquiring minds are now informed she died in 1995.


29 posted on 10/17/2008 4:01:29 AM PDT by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: autumnraine
The citizien requirement would still fall to her, and she still doesn’t qualify.

I don't see how she doesn't "qualify". She was a U.S. citizen, I don't think anyone contests that.

The residence requirement on her (for conferring citizenship on her baby) was different, as an unmarried mother, from the requirement for married women; and she did satisfy the requirement as it existed then, so that she would have conferred citizenship on her baby simply by returning to the States and continuing to live there.

Since she was a single mother, the citizenship of the biodaddy/anonymous sperm donor was immaterial. He could have been an abominable snowman from Tibet, and it wouldn't have made any difference to the child's citizenship status.

30 posted on 10/17/2008 4:11:32 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: autumnraine
Kenyan granny is still around, and she told some people that Obama was born in Mombasa, and that granny was in the delivery room when it happened.
31 posted on 10/17/2008 4:13:29 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Ok, can we just agree that the Obama is the spawn of Satan?


32 posted on 10/17/2008 4:16:12 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Philo-Junius
The fact that his parents were not legally married does not change this fact.

My understanding is that the law does indeed (or did indeed) distinguish critically between married and unmarried mothers, and impose different residence rules.

33 posted on 10/17/2008 4:16:53 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: iopscusa
I think his phenomenology would be different ..... I think "spawn of Satan" is already taken, and belongs to Slick Willie. I think Slick and his bat-winged consort are quite arguably protected by ranting choirs of fallen seraphim. Which would leave Obama kind of out in the cold. Relatively speaking.

Until he dies eventually, anyway.

34 posted on 10/17/2008 4:21:11 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
If your point is correct then why not just come out with the birth certificate and all this goes away.
35 posted on 10/17/2008 4:21:16 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Marsoc Dad)
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To: iopscusa
Another way of putting it is that I think Obama and the Clintons are somewhat in competition.

I think the Clintons are repping for the Antichrist, but that Obama is working for international Communism.

Does that clarify things?

36 posted on 10/17/2008 4:23:41 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Recon Dad
Because if the point about the mother's citizenship and marital status is correct, then it all goes away, and it doesn't matter if Obama was born in Hawaii, in Mombasa, or orbit around Mars.
37 posted on 10/17/2008 4:25:42 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Recon Dad
Oops, I see I misread you.

I think it's been covered up, to conceal Obama's bastardy.

I think that's the big deal that he and his camp are obfuscating.

As I pointed out in another post, the way the country's been going with rising illegitimacy, that concern of Obama's seems a little dated, and almost quaint. By 2030, a quarter of the U.S. Senate will be bastards, the way we're going.

38 posted on 10/17/2008 4:28:40 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: SatinDoll
No - Barack Obama Senior never legally married Kezia; it was a village marriage (common law marriage).

Since Senior and Kezia married in Kenya, which had (I'm guessing at this) the English common law as well as native organic law, a common-law marriage between Kezia and Senior would have been a valid marriage. Which would have invalidated Senior's second marriage, under United States law, since it is stipulated that he hadn't divorced Kezia before getting over on Stanley Dunham.

Staley Ann Dunham Obama was divorced from Obama Senior, in Hawaii, before she married her second husband.

The divorce would have been as invalid as the marriage, and wholly unnecessary. Whether they knew it or not.

39 posted on 10/17/2008 4:44:03 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: autumnraine

This is fascinating, and very confusing! Could someone answer a couple of questions for me?

1. Am I correct in thinking that there are people here saying that it doesn’t matter where Obama was born or whether his mom was married, he would never be a natural born citizen? And therefore, would NEVER be qualified to run for President?

2, Was there some kind of procedure his parent had to do when Obama was 18 in order for him to become a US Citizen?


40 posted on 10/17/2008 4:47:11 AM PDT by Mangia E Statti Zitto
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To: autumnraine
But don't you think that if some technicality determined that Obama was not a natural born citizen, that the Dem Congress could quickly cobble together a law that defined a person as one based on his mother's citizenship? Collateral damage from such a law would be significant, but they don't care about things like that as long as they are in power. I mean, as interesting as this debate is, we're just a 15 minute session of congress from making it all okay.
41 posted on 10/17/2008 5:18:02 AM PDT by TN4Liberty (The first amendment doesn't end with "...as long as nobody is offended.")
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To: lentulusgracchus

“The residence requirement on her (for conferring citizenship on her baby) was different, as an unmarried mother, from the requirement for married women; and she did satisfy the requirement as it existed then, so that she would have conferred citizenship on her baby simply by returning to the States and continuing to live there.”

The marraige requirements you speak of are if BOTH parents are US citizens. They were not as Barack’s father was a Kenyan (British at the time) citizen, not American.


42 posted on 10/17/2008 5:51:59 AM PDT by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: lentulusgracchus

“My understanding is that the law does indeed (or did indeed) distinguish critically between married and unmarried mothers, and impose different residence rules. “

Only if he was a US citizen, which Sr wasn’t. There are specific rules for those whose parents are of American citizen and father of foreign citizen.


43 posted on 10/17/2008 5:53:09 AM PDT by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto

1. Am I correct in thinking that there are people here saying that it doesn’t matter where Obama was born or whether his mom was married, he would never be a natural born citizen? And therefore, would NEVER be qualified to run for President?
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That is in question. Citizen, maybe. Natural born, questionable.

2, Was there some kind of procedure his parent had to do when Obama was 18 in order for him to become a US Citizen?
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Yes, denounce his Indonesian citizenship bestowed on him by his stepfather and if that is the case, he would then become NATURALIZED, not natural born.

I’m afraid Barack’s mother screwed him up on this whether she intended to not.


44 posted on 10/17/2008 5:56:04 AM PDT by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto

had he been born in the USA he would have been a natural born citizen. If he was born in Kenya then he is not a natural born citizen but maybe be a citizen.


45 posted on 10/17/2008 6:06:41 AM PDT by henry_reardon
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To: lentulusgracchus
Uhhh, you seriously need to read Black's Law Dictionary w/ respect to the definition of 'natural born citizen' and then Article II, Section 1 of the US Constitution....without a certified vault copy of BO's COLB from Hawaii, his legitimacy as meeting the Constitutional requirement is in serious doubt.

At this time, still, no actual proof he was born on US soil or in juridical controlled territories thereof.

46 posted on 10/17/2008 6:07:57 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: autumnraine
Only if he was a US citizen, which Sr wasn’t. There are specific rules for those whose parents are of American citizen and father of foreign citizen.

Only if who was a U.S. citizen? The father? The father doesn't count, if the mother is unmarried. That's what I understood.

The father might as well be a phial of refrigerated, unprovenanced sperm, if the mother is single. I don't understand why you keep trying to drag that rolling stone into it. He was never in the picture legally, because his "marriage" to Obama's mother was not legit. No marriage, no fatherhood. No fatherhood, no impact on Obama's citizenship status.

47 posted on 10/17/2008 6:09:49 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: RSmithOpt
Uhhh, you seriously need to read Black's Law Dictionary w/ respect to the definition of 'natural born citizen' .....

Do you have a 1961 copy? That would be the governing definition.

.......without a certified vault copy of BO's COLB from Hawaii, his legitimacy as meeting the Constitutional requirement is in serious doubt.

That is a paperwork requirement, one supposes. But all one needs, and I suppose Philip Berg is working on that issue among others, is a clarification of Miss Dunham's marital status and citizenship status when Barack was born.

At this time, still, no actual proof he was born on US soil or in juridical controlled territories thereof.

Please scroll up. If Miss Dunham were a) unmarried and b) a U.S. citizen resident in Hawaii/the U.S. for a year before Barack Obama's birth, my understanding -- as elucidated by posters on another thread -- is that Barack H. Obama was, and is, regrettably, a natural-born United States citizen, despite the fact that he was born (stipulated arguendo) in Mombasa, Kenya.

It's the citizenship and marital status of his mother that governed, under U.S. law as it existed at the time.

48 posted on 10/17/2008 6:19:03 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

First of all, the “marraige” of OBama Sr. in Kenya was a tribal marriage and not validated by British law (Kenya was a british nation at that time), so by all respects, the marriage IS valid.

But here are the specifics. Take what you will from them.
>>>

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child’s birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Father: A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen father may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(g) INA, as made applicable by Section 309(a) INA provided:

1) a blood relationship between the applicant and the father is established by clear and convincing evidence;

2) the father had the nationality of the United States at the time of the applicant’s birth;

3) the father (unless deceased) had agreed in writing to provide financial support for the person until the applicant reaches the age of 18 years, and

4) while the person is under the age of 18 years —

A) applicant is legitimated under the law of their residence or domicile,

B) father acknowledges paternity of the person in writing under oath, or

C) the paternity of the applicant is established by adjudication court.

Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother: A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(g) INA, as made applicable by Section 309(c) INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child’s birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.

http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html


49 posted on 10/17/2008 6:32:25 AM PDT by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: lentulusgracchus

First of all, the “marraige” of OBama Sr. in Kenya was a tribal marriage and not validated by British law (Kenya was a british nation at that time), so by all respects, the marriage IS valid.

But here are the specifics. Take what you will from them.
>>>

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child’s birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Father: A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen father may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(g) INA, as made applicable by Section 309(a) INA provided:

1) a blood relationship between the applicant and the father is established by clear and convincing evidence;

2) the father had the nationality of the United States at the time of the applicant’s birth;

3) the father (unless deceased) had agreed in writing to provide financial support for the person until the applicant reaches the age of 18 years, and

4) while the person is under the age of 18 years —

A) applicant is legitimated under the law of their residence or domicile,

B) father acknowledges paternity of the person in writing under oath, or

C) the paternity of the applicant is established by adjudication court.

Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother: A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(g) INA, as made applicable by Section 309(c) INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child’s birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.

http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html


50 posted on 10/17/2008 6:34:53 AM PDT by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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