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Shift in Jewish vote expected
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Posted on 10/17/2008 2:17:37 AM PDT by tomymind

An evangelist and Middle East expert believes a substantial number of Jewish voters in the U.S. will vote for John McCain because they are deeply concerned about a Barack Obama presidency.

Tom Doyle serves as the Middle East director for the strategic church-planting ministry e3 Partners, and recently released his new book Two Nations Under God: Why You Should Care About Israel. Not only does Doyle believe the people of Israel are nervous about a possible Barack Obama presidency, he believes a growing number of Jewish voters in the America feel the same.

GOP and Democratic logos"Jews who live in America have traditionally voted Democrat. They see themselves as oppressed, and so they seem to liken with similar groups in the country -- and they vote Democrat," he explains.

But the evangelist argues that tendency started to change in 2004 -- and he thinks it will change "big time" in November.

"I think there's a real nervousness [among American Jews]. Is [it] significant enough to change the outcome of the election? I don't know," he admits. "But I think we're going to see more Jews voting for John McCain this time, just because of the 'antsy-ness' they have with Barack Obama."

e3 Partners has offices in Plano, Texas, and in San Diego. Established in 1987, the ministry lays claim to having helped plant more than 12,000 churches around the world.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2008; election; elections; fl2008; jewish; jewishvote; jews; mccain; mccainpalin; swingvote; vote
They may be of some help in south Florida, south Nevada and Colorado. Instead, I don't trust Jews in New York. They always vote liberal rats and will do the same in November.
1 posted on 10/17/2008 2:17:37 AM PDT by tomymind
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To: tomymind

I don’t think that the most Jewish people in the US feel particularly connected, nor care what happens to Jewish people in Israel any more than many so called Christians are really connected nor care about what is in the Bible. They listen to talking heads and march to their actions.


2 posted on 10/17/2008 2:21:42 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: tomymind

Related thread —

Why This Election Will Be Close: Hushed Confessions
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2107837/posts


3 posted on 10/17/2008 2:26:52 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: freeangel

4 posted on 10/17/2008 2:27:56 AM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: tomymind
Instead, I don't trust Jews in New York.

Wow.

5 posted on 10/17/2008 2:28:48 AM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: tomymind
An evangelist and Middle East expert believes a substantial number of Jewish voters in the U.S. will vote for John McCain because they are deeply concerned about a Barack Obama presidency.

Why would I ask an "evangelist" about what Jews are thinking? I wouldn't ask an Orthodox Jew for intimate insight into the state of the evangelical Christian community.

6 posted on 10/17/2008 2:33:03 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker
Why would I ask an "evangelist" about what Jews are thinking?

I don't know what it is about you AK but you always nail things right on the head.

And yes, the Jews I know get very pissed when Christian evangelicals tell them how they should vote and how they should view the State of Israel.

From what I can tell, the Fudies scared American Jews away from the GOP.

7 posted on 10/17/2008 2:43:12 AM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

Fudies=”Fundies”


8 posted on 10/17/2008 2:45:27 AM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: freeangel

Indeed.


9 posted on 10/17/2008 2:46:38 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: tomymind
Bush beat Kerry in Fl in 2004 by 400,000 votes but in South Fl, specifically heavily Jewish Broward and Palm Beach counties, Kerry beat Bush by 300,000 votes.

Its possible that McCain will pick up over 50% of that amount, for a margin of victory of over 500,000 votes.

10 posted on 10/17/2008 2:48:43 AM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Rome2000

How could any Jewish voters vote for bo?


11 posted on 10/17/2008 2:52:36 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: tomymind
don't trust Jews in New York

Wow, that's kind of offensive. I suppose in context it was in regard to their voting record, but still.
12 posted on 10/17/2008 3:05:23 AM PDT by rick_p_stedman
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To: rick_p_stedman; trumandogz

Obviously it’s in context, no racism here. Last week, I met a dozen of Jews in NYC and 60-70 % are now voting for Obama, 20% will not vote at all, the rest is for McCain.


13 posted on 10/17/2008 3:12:41 AM PDT by tomymind
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To: trumandogz
So the Jews are scared of Evangelist Christians and not the proto Black Muslim. Let's face it, the JINO’s are in love with Communism and if they have to ally with Islam to get the Utopia they want, they'll do it.
14 posted on 10/17/2008 3:16:35 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: trumandogz

“From what I can tell, the Fudies scared American Jews away from the GOP.”

They have a very close partnership in this area (Texas) and this “Fundie” group broadcasts around the world on satelite.
http://www.godslearningchannel.com/

Rabbi Chaim Richman from the Temple Institute comes to Midland every year for a visit and tapes programs for broadcast classes on the air.

They even have fundraisers for the Temple Institute.


15 posted on 10/17/2008 3:17:48 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Rome2000

I think the Jesse Jackson’s comment that the Jews (well, he said Zionists, but we know what he meant) won’t have a voice in an 0bama administration isn’t going to go over well.

I’d love to hear a Funky Town parody song of Jesse Jackson singing, “Won’t you take me to Hymie Town!”


16 posted on 10/17/2008 3:17:52 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (I'm not against 0bama because he's black. I'm against 0bama because he's pink.)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver

The voted for many rats in the past decades.


17 posted on 10/17/2008 3:24:52 AM PDT by tomymind
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To: tomymind; ExTexasRedhead; Alouette

ping


18 posted on 10/17/2008 3:28:45 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: tomymind
First of all, any article or discussion about Jews and politics has to distinguish between religious Jews and cultural Jews.

I, as a Christian, feel connected to and in alliance with religious Jews, despite our religious divide. And we both support Israel as an ally.

Cultural Jews put politics and social issues above their Judaism, trust the state more than God, and don't care about Israel. I have no connection with them and consider them the opposition to be defeated. As Michael Medved says, liberal Jews who vote Democrat are proof of the Jews’ superior intelligence is a myth. Why? They have the history to know that the State loathes the religious. They are identifying themselves with a religious label, turning away from the history of their true persecution under the State, and voting for Statists.

That said, the Jewish vote as a bloc that gets the most air time is that which votes Democrat, though there are many Republicans. I don't think the numbers will change that much and, if they do, that it will have much impact. But I am very grateful to any that wake up and see the true threat of persecution that is posed by Stalinist like zerobama.

19 posted on 10/17/2008 3:37:20 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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To: tomymind

I hope they all wake up from the Obamanaation-propaganda that lies to them... and rally to vote en-masse for the RIGHT candidate.


20 posted on 10/17/2008 3:39:06 AM PDT by PRePublic
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To: freeangel
Jewish people in Israel any more than many so called Christians are really connected nor care about what is in the Bible

Got a good friend at work, Jewish, and I always quiz him on why he is so adamantly anti-Republican.

He rails on and on about how Republican Christians have secret plans to force Jews and everybody into internment camps and force them to convert to Christianity.

It would be out-loud laughable if it weren't so sad. He really believes this stuff.

21 posted on 10/17/2008 3:54:26 AM PDT by Edit35 (.)
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To: rick_p_stedman
Yesterday I was at the local university for a luncheon. At my table was a PhD candidate for anthropology. He is writing his thesis on human behavior in current events from an anthropology perspective. He has spent that last year or so doing very clean research (from what I could tell) on what people are "thinking" about the world. He painted me a scenario that was both alarming and interesting. He thinks Obama will win and that the backlash will be Nazi, skinhead, KKK against the Jews for putting him in. He thinks the anti-Jew furor will boil over and be the focus of people's rage since there is not one other single group that can be pointed at as responsible or "they did it!".

I have no reason to doubt him.

22 posted on 10/17/2008 4:02:32 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit (Never mess with an old man. he will just kill you.))
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Well put.


23 posted on 10/17/2008 4:03:24 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit (Never mess with an old man. he will just kill you.))
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To: trumandogz
the Fudies scared American Jews

No one "tells" anyone how to vote. That is a straw dog argument if I ever heard one.

In American politics, people (regardless of their faith) try to persuade others to vote based on logic and statistics and other factors.

No one is forcing anyone to do anything.

I explain to my Jewish friends all the time that a growing percentage of Democrats (especially the militant black liberation/ youth vote) are increasingly anti-faith and anti Israel, and that conservatives are the ones who truly support Jews and the Jewish tradition.

Does that mean I am forcing Jews to vote this way or that?

Certainly not.

24 posted on 10/17/2008 4:05:55 AM PDT by Edit35 (.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2107391/posts

Maybe Farrahkhan will open the Jewish community’s eyes this weekend (Oct. 19) with his “New Beginnings” celebration. Obama *cannot* separate himself from his past.


25 posted on 10/17/2008 4:14:34 AM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: Bluebird Singing
We can only hope that the “Minister’ shoots his mouth off in his typical style.
26 posted on 10/17/2008 4:18:11 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit (Never mess with an old man. he will just kill you.))
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To: tomymind
I don't trust Jews in New York.

Apparently, Obama doesn't either because he has been running commercials on cable TV in the NYC Tri-State area during prime time, and I don't think he would be doing that unless he thinks he is in trouble with New York Jews (and union hard hats).

27 posted on 10/17/2008 4:28:33 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: mad_as_he$$

Yes, he has already called Obama the Messiah.

A correction on my other post - we *cannot* let Obama separate himself from his true self and beliefs (not just his past).


28 posted on 10/17/2008 4:29:20 AM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: Labyrinthos

Nontheless, he will get their votes.


29 posted on 10/17/2008 4:30:24 AM PDT by tomymind
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To: rick_p_stedman

Then read it in context. It wasn’t offensive at all in context.


30 posted on 10/17/2008 4:52:26 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: trumandogz

Why must you use such disparaging remarks?

If it wasn’t for the “fundies,” the Republicans would never win anywhere.

Better to alienate tens of millions of conservatives to appease a few million Jewish liberals?

Jews have never been historically conservative in this country. In fact, they’ve been to the far-left of the political spectrum for the most part.


31 posted on 10/17/2008 4:55:35 AM PDT by Boiling Pots (Wright, Ayers, Alinsky, ACORN and Odinga - Attack!!)
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To: tomymind

Jews like all other Americans vote on what they think is best for them and seldom abandon their traditional voting. But for the small percentage for whom the safety of Israel is important, it’s McCain all the way. This is why more older people are switching because they understand what an existential threat is. Obama can’t talk to Ahmadinejad at the same time he leaves open the air space for an Israeli attack, and meanwhile production of nukes goes on. For those who haven’t seen this, this is the view from Israel.

http://www.root-1.co.il/critical.htm


32 posted on 10/17/2008 5:00:27 AM PDT by idov
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To: mad_as_he$$; rick_p_stedman
He thinks Obama will win and that the backlash will be Nazi, skinhead, KKK against the Jews for putting him in. He thinks the anti-Jew furor will boil over and be the focus of people's rage...

It's easy to understand why he is wrong.

Academia never views the left as capable of such vicious crimes against humanity. The more likely scenario is they will have supported the party that destroys them. Jesse Jackson revealed an underlying resentment that will influence policy.

Various groups on the left will very happily support the end of rights they find offensive, such as free speech. They will think it completely appropriate to criminalize any opposition to their views, for example investigations of all decision making involving the WOT. They will see it as "fairness" to take someone else's property to give to another and when all the opposition is gone it will be their turn.

33 posted on 10/17/2008 5:29:24 AM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: tomymind
The Jewish voter is conditioned to vote for the Democrats.

However, in this election, they do not like Obama, but they are still reluctant to pull the lever for McCain yet.

34 posted on 10/17/2008 5:34:57 AM PDT by TennTuxedo
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To: mad_as_he$$
It could happen. It would be different if 0bama winning was due to his merit and ability. Instead, if he wins, it will more likely be due to fraud. Voter fraud from ACORN and others and professional fraud of the msm and all the news agencies who ignore reporting on anything that might damage 0bama. He is a relatively young man with little history, virtually no accomplishments to warrant his nomination and a host of questionable friends and allies. He's not winning the election, THEY are stealing it. If he wins, at some point popular opinion will turn on him, especially if he enacts any of what he is promising. It won't be pretty. He doesn't have Clinton's charisma and he won't have a good economy.
35 posted on 10/17/2008 5:43:58 AM PDT by GBA
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To: idov

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36 posted on 10/17/2008 5:54:56 AM PDT by doberville
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To: trumandogz
I don't trust Jews in New York.

Well, speaking as a Jew, and a lifelong (proud) New Yorker, I do trust my co-religionists here to vote with their prejudices, and not their brains or their wallets.

37 posted on 10/17/2008 6:39:33 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: doberville

Sorry, absent minded.

http:/www.root-1.co.il/cynical.htm


38 posted on 10/17/2008 6:54:40 AM PDT by idov
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To: wmfights
There is a special that is running on Discovery or History channels where they got unprecedented insight to the world of the KKKetc. They are openly talking about war with the Jews in the very near future.
39 posted on 10/17/2008 6:59:05 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit (Never mess with an old man. he will just kill you.))
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To: mad_as_he$$

Great..
Something else I gotta worry about..I am a Jew, lifelong PJ O’Rourke style-Republican and now, I have to worry some idiot thought I voted for Nobama? My own family is running something like this.

Mom: Not voting for Nobama, for the first time, she may vote GOP and pull the lever for McCain.

Gramps: Well, Nobama reminds him of a certain Austrian housepainter. Not going to drink that cool-aid.

Wife: She flirted with the idea of voting for Nobama, till she heard about Bill Ayres...

My in-laws: All going for McCain. And they’re Brooklyn Jews.

Then there’s my Dad. God love him, but he and his family are all in the tank for the Nobamasseiah. Then again, he converted to Catholicism. ;-)


40 posted on 10/17/2008 7:24:35 AM PDT by Braak (The US Military, the real arms inspectors!)
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To: Braak
I find most of that to be VERY good news!!!

Your "Gramps" is probably a very good guy to have a glass of wine with.

41 posted on 10/17/2008 7:40:08 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit (Never mess with an old man. he will just kill you.))
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To: mad_as_he$$
There is a special that is running on Discovery or History channels where they got unprecedented insight to the world of the KKKetc. They are openly talking about war with the Jews in the very near future.

Hopefully you don't buy into this bait and switch crap.

The KKK is so marginalized, poorly organized and lacking in support if it tried to do something at best it could only shoot itself in the foot. The real threat is govt. Especially govt. controlled by a 60's radical wanna be.

I am much more concerned about the radicals running all branches of govt. They are the ones that will eliminate free speech in the name of "fairness". They are the ones that will take from one group to give to another group to "spread the wealth around". They are the ones that want to be friends with those that wish to hurt/kill us, or our allies. They are the ones who are systematically destroying the Judeo-Christian foundation of our country and culture and seek to replace it with a secular humanist philosophy that denies any absolute wrongs.

42 posted on 10/17/2008 7:43:53 AM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: Braak; mad_as_he$$
Then there’s my Dad. God love him, but he and his family are all in the tank for the Nobamasseiah. Then again, he converted to Catholicism. ;-)

As a Christian this is very disappointing to hear. Maybe he should see what his church thinks about infanticide.

43 posted on 10/17/2008 7:50:09 AM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: wmfights
I think you are the one who has been buying c$ap. The KKK has joined with the Nazi's and the skinheads especially the IKA arm. They are conducting training camps as we type and I am not talking about how to march together. The KKK East of the Miss. is questionable. I can tell you with great certainty that the chapters West of the Miss are deadly serious and have great supplies of weapons and food. When Bush1 and Clinton succeeded in driving the Patriot Movement under ground they did not understand that the very serious guys were already there and meant business. Mostly in the West if you leave them alone no problem but when you start messing with them they react very fast and often with deadly results. Many have turned to legal trades to fund operations. The old gun trading days are over because it draws to much attention.

No I do not know where the spark will come from but one thing i do know is that law enforcement is very worried about what is going on. They have had a hard time getting intel on these people because they now tend to operate in large family units where a judas would have a tough time getting in. Many are also deliberately sending offspring to the Military to gain experience and training.Time will tell.

44 posted on 10/17/2008 7:54:00 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit (Never mess with an old man. he will just kill you.))
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To: trumandogz

I do some media production work for a very lovely Jewish woman and her group even though they are very liberal. They have far more fear and disdain for “creeping fundamentalism” in the US than any current threat to the state of Israel.


45 posted on 10/17/2008 8:00:39 AM PDT by Finatic (this species has amused itself to death)
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To: GBA

“He’s not winning the election, THEY are stealing it”

I thought about that. The Dems logic is “well, BUSH stole the election in 2000 and 2004, therefore it is in our right for us to use any means possible, including voter fraud, to win the election this time because if they (republicans) can cheat then so can we”


46 posted on 10/19/2008 5:06:34 AM PDT by Jaysin
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