Skip to comments.Shift in Jewish vote expected
Posted on 10/17/2008 2:17:37 AM PDT by tomymind
An evangelist and Middle East expert believes a substantial number of Jewish voters in the U.S. will vote for John McCain because they are deeply concerned about a Barack Obama presidency.
Tom Doyle serves as the Middle East director for the strategic church-planting ministry e3 Partners, and recently released his new book Two Nations Under God: Why You Should Care About Israel. Not only does Doyle believe the people of Israel are nervous about a possible Barack Obama presidency, he believes a growing number of Jewish voters in the America feel the same.
GOP and Democratic logos"Jews who live in America have traditionally voted Democrat. They see themselves as oppressed, and so they seem to liken with similar groups in the country -- and they vote Democrat," he explains.
But the evangelist argues that tendency started to change in 2004 -- and he thinks it will change "big time" in November.
"I think there's a real nervousness [among American Jews]. Is [it] significant enough to change the outcome of the election? I don't know," he admits. "But I think we're going to see more Jews voting for John McCain this time, just because of the 'antsy-ness' they have with Barack Obama."
e3 Partners has offices in Plano, Texas, and in San Diego. Established in 1987, the ministry lays claim to having helped plant more than 12,000 churches around the world.
I don’t think that the most Jewish people in the US feel particularly connected, nor care what happens to Jewish people in Israel any more than many so called Christians are really connected nor care about what is in the Bible. They listen to talking heads and march to their actions.
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Why would I ask an "evangelist" about what Jews are thinking? I wouldn't ask an Orthodox Jew for intimate insight into the state of the evangelical Christian community.
I don't know what it is about you AK but you always nail things right on the head.
And yes, the Jews I know get very pissed when Christian evangelicals tell them how they should vote and how they should view the State of Israel.
From what I can tell, the Fudies scared American Jews away from the GOP.
Its possible that McCain will pick up over 50% of that amount, for a margin of victory of over 500,000 votes.
How could any Jewish voters vote for bo?
Obviously it’s in context, no racism here. Last week, I met a dozen of Jews in NYC and 60-70 % are now voting for Obama, 20% will not vote at all, the rest is for McCain.
“From what I can tell, the Fudies scared American Jews away from the GOP.”
They have a very close partnership in this area (Texas) and this “Fundie” group broadcasts around the world on satelite.
Rabbi Chaim Richman from the Temple Institute comes to Midland every year for a visit and tapes programs for broadcast classes on the air.
They even have fundraisers for the Temple Institute.
I think the Jesse Jackson’s comment that the Jews (well, he said Zionists, but we know what he meant) won’t have a voice in an 0bama administration isn’t going to go over well.
I’d love to hear a Funky Town parody song of Jesse Jackson singing, “Won’t you take me to Hymie Town!”
The voted for many rats in the past decades.
I, as a Christian, feel connected to and in alliance with religious Jews, despite our religious divide. And we both support Israel as an ally.
Cultural Jews put politics and social issues above their Judaism, trust the state more than God, and don't care about Israel. I have no connection with them and consider them the opposition to be defeated. As Michael Medved says, liberal Jews who vote Democrat are proof of the Jews’ superior intelligence is a myth. Why? They have the history to know that the State loathes the religious. They are identifying themselves with a religious label, turning away from the history of their true persecution under the State, and voting for Statists.
That said, the Jewish vote as a bloc that gets the most air time is that which votes Democrat, though there are many Republicans. I don't think the numbers will change that much and, if they do, that it will have much impact. But I am very grateful to any that wake up and see the true threat of persecution that is posed by Stalinist like zerobama.
I hope they all wake up from the Obamanaation-propaganda that lies to them... and rally to vote en-masse for the RIGHT candidate.
Got a good friend at work, Jewish, and I always quiz him on why he is so adamantly anti-Republican.
He rails on and on about how Republican Christians have secret plans to force Jews and everybody into internment camps and force them to convert to Christianity.
It would be out-loud laughable if it weren't so sad. He really believes this stuff.
I have no reason to doubt him.
No one "tells" anyone how to vote. That is a straw dog argument if I ever heard one.
In American politics, people (regardless of their faith) try to persuade others to vote based on logic and statistics and other factors.
No one is forcing anyone to do anything.
I explain to my Jewish friends all the time that a growing percentage of Democrats (especially the militant black liberation/ youth vote) are increasingly anti-faith and anti Israel, and that conservatives are the ones who truly support Jews and the Jewish tradition.
Does that mean I am forcing Jews to vote this way or that?
Maybe Farrahkhan will open the Jewish community’s eyes this weekend (Oct. 19) with his “New Beginnings” celebration. Obama *cannot* separate himself from his past.
Apparently, Obama doesn't either because he has been running commercials on cable TV in the NYC Tri-State area during prime time, and I don't think he would be doing that unless he thinks he is in trouble with New York Jews (and union hard hats).
Yes, he has already called Obama the Messiah.
A correction on my other post - we *cannot* let Obama separate himself from his true self and beliefs (not just his past).
Nontheless, he will get their votes.
Then read it in context. It wasn’t offensive at all in context.
Why must you use such disparaging remarks?
If it wasn’t for the “fundies,” the Republicans would never win anywhere.
Better to alienate tens of millions of conservatives to appease a few million Jewish liberals?
Jews have never been historically conservative in this country. In fact, they’ve been to the far-left of the political spectrum for the most part.
Jews like all other Americans vote on what they think is best for them and seldom abandon their traditional voting. But for the small percentage for whom the safety of Israel is important, it’s McCain all the way. This is why more older people are switching because they understand what an existential threat is. Obama can’t talk to Ahmadinejad at the same time he leaves open the air space for an Israeli attack, and meanwhile production of nukes goes on. For those who haven’t seen this, this is the view from Israel.
It's easy to understand why he is wrong.
Academia never views the left as capable of such vicious crimes against humanity. The more likely scenario is they will have supported the party that destroys them. Jesse Jackson revealed an underlying resentment that will influence policy.
Various groups on the left will very happily support the end of rights they find offensive, such as free speech. They will think it completely appropriate to criminalize any opposition to their views, for example investigations of all decision making involving the WOT. They will see it as "fairness" to take someone else's property to give to another and when all the opposition is gone it will be their turn.
However, in this election, they do not like Obama, but they are still reluctant to pull the lever for McCain yet.
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Well, speaking as a Jew, and a lifelong (proud) New Yorker, I do trust my co-religionists here to vote with their prejudices, and not their brains or their wallets.
Sorry, absent minded.
Something else I gotta worry about..I am a Jew, lifelong PJ O’Rourke style-Republican and now, I have to worry some idiot thought I voted for Nobama? My own family is running something like this.
Mom: Not voting for Nobama, for the first time, she may vote GOP and pull the lever for McCain.
Gramps: Well, Nobama reminds him of a certain Austrian housepainter. Not going to drink that cool-aid.
Wife: She flirted with the idea of voting for Nobama, till she heard about Bill Ayres...
My in-laws: All going for McCain. And they’re Brooklyn Jews.
Then there’s my Dad. God love him, but he and his family are all in the tank for the Nobamasseiah. Then again, he converted to Catholicism. ;-)
Your "Gramps" is probably a very good guy to have a glass of wine with.
Hopefully you don't buy into this bait and switch crap.
The KKK is so marginalized, poorly organized and lacking in support if it tried to do something at best it could only shoot itself in the foot. The real threat is govt. Especially govt. controlled by a 60's radical wanna be.
I am much more concerned about the radicals running all branches of govt. They are the ones that will eliminate free speech in the name of "fairness". They are the ones that will take from one group to give to another group to "spread the wealth around". They are the ones that want to be friends with those that wish to hurt/kill us, or our allies. They are the ones who are systematically destroying the Judeo-Christian foundation of our country and culture and seek to replace it with a secular humanist philosophy that denies any absolute wrongs.
As a Christian this is very disappointing to hear. Maybe he should see what his church thinks about infanticide.
No I do not know where the spark will come from but one thing i do know is that law enforcement is very worried about what is going on. They have had a hard time getting intel on these people because they now tend to operate in large family units where a judas would have a tough time getting in. Many are also deliberately sending offspring to the Military to gain experience and training.Time will tell.
I do some media production work for a very lovely Jewish woman and her group even though they are very liberal. They have far more fear and disdain for “creeping fundamentalism” in the US than any current threat to the state of Israel.
“He’s not winning the election, THEY are stealing it”
I thought about that. The Dems logic is “well, BUSH stole the election in 2000 and 2004, therefore it is in our right for us to use any means possible, including voter fraud, to win the election this time because if they (republicans) can cheat then so can we”
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