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Voters contend they were duped into registering as Republicans
LA Times ^ | 10/17/2008 | Evan Halper and Michael Rothfeld

Posted on 10/17/2008 3:03:43 PM PDT by Hadean

SACRAMENTO -- Dozens of newly minted Republican voters say they were duped into joining the party by a GOP-hired with a trail of fraud complaints stretching across the country.

Voters contacted by The Times said they were tricked into switching parties while signing what they believed were petitions for tougher penalties against child molesters. Some said they were told that they had to become Republicans to sign the petition, contrary to California initiative law. Others had no idea their registration was being changed.

"I am not a Republican," insisted Karen Ashcraft, 47, a pet clinic manager and former Democrat from Ventura who said she was duped by a signature gatherer into joining the GOP. "I certainly . . . won't sign anything in front of a grocery store ever again."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: ca; ca2008; completebs; gop; loadofcrap; obviouslies; register; totalbs; vote; votefraud; voterfraud

1 posted on 10/17/2008 3:03:43 PM PDT by Hadean
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To: Hadean

Bullshit!


2 posted on 10/17/2008 3:04:18 PM PDT by Gaffer ("Arguing with a Liberal is like not wiping yourself after taking a dump" Scatological, but true.)
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To: Hadean
Yes, I can understand this. You are told that you are registering for the "conservative" party, then wham!, you find out it's not conservative at all.

I've been duped!

3 posted on 10/17/2008 3:05:27 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Hadean

I would like this looked into very closely. I’d like to see who exactly is behind it.


4 posted on 10/17/2008 3:05:35 PM PDT by Steely Tom (RKBA: last line of defense against vote fraud)
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To: Hadean
And now the democrats begin to try and pin all this voter fraud on Republicans.

Just like 2000 Florida re-count, it was all the republicans fault, voter suppression etc. When the freaking dims were in charge.

They are truly evil people

5 posted on 10/17/2008 3:06:28 PM PDT by rlferny
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To: Hadean
"I certainly . . . won't sign anything in front of a grocery store ever again."

Good.

6 posted on 10/17/2008 3:06:31 PM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (If Barack Obama needs more experience, I could give it too him. - "Golden Girl" Betty White)
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To: Hadean

They probably changed their own party affiliations to vote for republicans in the primaries.


7 posted on 10/17/2008 3:06:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Paying taxes for bank bailouts is apparently the patriotic thing to do. [/sarc])
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To: Hadean

Let’s see, one person/one state/dozens (claimed) vs thousands of ACORN persons/14 states/at least 200,000 that we know of.

Only in the mind of a DIMocrat.


8 posted on 10/17/2008 3:06:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Is Obamanation what our founding fathers, our fallen men in combat, and Ronald Reagan had in mind?)
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To: Hadean

If you believe any of this crap, I know a guy in Nigeria who will make you very rich if you give him your bank account number.


9 posted on 10/17/2008 3:07:14 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I'm just going to spread YOUR wealth around - Barack HUSSEIN Obama.)
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To: Hadean
PUHLEASE. Democrats coming out and saying they were tricked.

Never happened!

10 posted on 10/17/2008 3:07:15 PM PDT by rocksblues (Hockey Moms are tougher than Soccer Moms)
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To: Hadean
"I certainly . . . won't sign anything in front of a grocery store ever again."

Something most of us learn by age 12.

11 posted on 10/17/2008 3:07:26 PM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: Hadean

I call bullsh*t


12 posted on 10/17/2008 3:09:06 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Hadean

I call BS.

I was registered to vote in California for years (probably still am, come to think of it.) You have to be deaf, dumb and blind to NOT know you are signing a voter registration card.


13 posted on 10/17/2008 3:09:50 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Go, Sonics! And take the Mariners with you.)
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To: Hadean

I hope this doesn’t hurt McCain’s chances in California.


14 posted on 10/17/2008 3:11:12 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Joe The Plumber is the only undocumented worker in America that the Democrats dislike.)
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To: SandyInSeattle

What does it matter, the primaries are over? They can still vote for the candidate of their choice in the privacy of the voting booth.

They can also change their registration back to democrat at any time as well.


15 posted on 10/17/2008 3:12:13 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: SandyInSeattle

Here in Michigan you have to put a lot more info on a voter registration than you would ever put on a petition.


16 posted on 10/17/2008 3:15:11 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Paying taxes for bank bailouts is apparently the patriotic thing to do. [/sarc])
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To: rlferny
And now the democrats begin to try and pin all this voter fraud on Republicans.

Not exactly correct.

They don't want to blame Pubbies, but it does give the democrats a talking point to counter the ACORN accusation.

Up until this point all they had was lies and denials

Now when ACRON is brought up they can take this small minor GOP issue which we really don't even know is a actual problem or not and counter point to neutralize ACORN blatant fraud

17 posted on 10/17/2008 3:16:35 PM PDT by Popman (Dont worry Barney Frank has your ass-ets covered!!!)
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To: cripplecreek

I think you nailed it!


18 posted on 10/17/2008 3:18:11 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: SandyInSeattle

Very true. The only problem with registering in California is making sure you are registered with the party you asked to be affiliated with. Now on my third go-round, because of moves, they’ve finally listed me as an R. Twice before I was shown as an independent. And I’m not alone in this, I’ve spoken to many people who have the same problem: Rs shown as independents.


19 posted on 10/17/2008 3:19:49 PM PDT by JoeA (JoeA / attention John McCain: this space available)
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To: JoeA

This thread inspired me to call the OC registrar of voters and make sure I was removed from the rolls when I moved. (I was.)

I don’t want some yahoo using my identify to cast a vote for The One.


20 posted on 10/17/2008 3:24:06 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Go, Sonics! And take the Mariners with you.)
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To: Hadean
Texas has a good system. Your vote in a primary election is what registers you to one party or the other. After voting in one primary your card is stamped either dem or republican and you can't go and vote in the other primary. I guess since I didn't vote in either primary I could call myself an independent but I am not. I am Republican all the way.
21 posted on 10/17/2008 3:24:42 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Hadean

Michigan voter registration. You would have to be pretty dense to think you were signing a petition.

It’s a pdf file

http://www.mi.gov/documents/MIVoterRegistration_97046_7.pdf


22 posted on 10/17/2008 3:30:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Paying taxes for bank bailouts is apparently the patriotic thing to do. [/sarc])
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To: Hadean

sure hope this gets investigated real quick.


23 posted on 10/17/2008 3:30:50 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Hadean
Freaking lame attempt at phony moral equivalence. “The GOP is ACORNING too...”
24 posted on 10/17/2008 3:40:37 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Hadean

In order to believe a crime has been committed, you must first believe there is a motivation.

What motivation would anyone have for getting someone registered in a party they are not interested in?


25 posted on 10/17/2008 3:42:08 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: Hadean
It was a dumba$$ test. They passed.
26 posted on 10/17/2008 3:48:05 PM PDT by Niteranger68 (Conservatives..Â…please stop funding liberalism! Scrutinize every dollar you spend!)
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To: Popman

Big difference between party registration and fraudulent/multiple registration. No one is disenfranchised if each person votes once and only once, regardless of their official party.


27 posted on 10/17/2008 3:53:44 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Let’s see, one person/one state/dozens (claimed) vs thousands of ACORN persons/14 states/at least 200,000 that we know of.

That's the old game that the dems/media play. I remember a while back (in the Clinton years) when questions about foreign donations were in the news. I don't recall the numbers but the ratio was along the lines of $10 million going to the Democrats and $5,000 to Republicans. Ah but that was enough for the media to shrug and say "see, both sides do it."

The old "both sides do it" trick.

They are getting even better at performing this trick though. Hundreds of negative ads, many hateful and demeaning comments directed at Sarah Palin, some truly disgusting anti-Palin shirts. All of this from the Obama side. A handful of incidents on the McCain side, some of them questionable as to whether they really happened. Ah but it's the Republicans who are full of hate and it's McCain who is running a negative campaign. Obama and his team are squeaky clean.

28 posted on 10/17/2008 3:57:37 PM PDT by Humbug (ignore the media and the polls and keep fighting)
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To: Hadean
Not so amazing.. Democrats have been being tricked into being members of the so-called party of the people for decades.. Democracy is not now nor ever has been democratic.. Democracy is always operated by an elite..

Democracy is MOb Rule by mobsters..

29 posted on 10/17/2008 4:01:16 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Humbug

You’re right on target IMO. My cure for that is to send folks to DU and the other miscreant sights where the left hangs out.

The contrast between our demeanor here and their’s there, should make it plain for all to see.


30 posted on 10/17/2008 4:02:08 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Is Obamanation what our founding fathers, our fallen men in combat, and Ronald Reagan had in mind?)
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To: Hadean

Ah... your party affiliation does not prevent you from voting any way you chose. Dumbass. Second, this is pure bullshit thrown-up as a screen to ACORN’s stealing elections in OH, PA, and FL.


31 posted on 10/17/2008 4:03:07 PM PDT by pabianice (Inexplicable and infuriating.)
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To: Question Liberal Authority
I hope this doesn’t hurt McCain’s chances in California.

Good one :-)

32 posted on 10/17/2008 4:03:57 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Hadean
Dozens!

What does the L.A. Times think about the millions of fraudulent registrations by ACORN?

*crickets*

33 posted on 10/17/2008 4:05:07 PM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: Hadean

And, what; they are so stupid they think because they “registered as Republicans” they have to now vote for the Republican ticket? Well; good deal for John McCain.


34 posted on 10/17/2008 4:18:47 PM PDT by Tucson (In G-D we trust; all others provide data)
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To: Hadean
Oh, rubbish. Republicans wouldn't stoop to such an amateur attempt at that which Dems are the experts.

Even if it really happened, who would go along with switching parties because they were told they had to in order to support some initiative? Such a person is not smart enough to be trusted with the vote.

35 posted on 10/17/2008 4:46:48 PM PDT by informavoracious (Oust all incumbents.)
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To: Hadean

Sounds like they are trying to create the equivilent of ACORN on our side by saying this?


36 posted on 10/17/2008 5:09:28 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Hadean

This could have merit.

I say this because something similar happened to me in 2006 in Maryland. I had moved from the suburbs to Baltimore and wanted to update my voter registration to vote in the mid-terms. I figured the easiest way to do it was at the MVA (DMV to most states) while renewing my tags.

I filled out the form the lady gave me. She looked up at me after reading it and said “Republican??!” Having learned by living in a city/state where a white male Republican is not universally well liked, I politely just said, ‘yes, ma’am.’ She clearly was upset with me the rest of the time I was there. A week later I got my voter registration card in the mail.

I was now a Democrat.

One of those things that wasn’t worth making noise about at the time, just fixing quickly and mumbling #@!*ing Maryland for the 836th time.


37 posted on 10/17/2008 6:15:52 PM PDT by Cap74 (God is a Republican, Santa Claus is a Democrat -P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Hadean
I am trying to understand the charge here.. are they like saying.. that folks think if you trick a Democrat to having their name listed as a Republican that makes any difference?

I don't know, in California are they still waiting for primaries? Can't they switch parties at a primary anyway? It seems completely pointless to "force" the change of a person's party affiliation because its so easy to switch it back.

But, how in heck does this equal 200,000 fraudulent registrations that no one even plans to check?

Get REAL!

38 posted on 10/18/2008 1:06:57 AM PDT by dalight
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To: nickcarraway

L O L


39 posted on 10/18/2008 1:09:03 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Only a coalition of Marxists and Islamists can destroy the United States. ~ Carlos the Jackal)
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To: Hadean

...added a few keywords...


40 posted on 10/18/2008 1:12:11 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Only a coalition of Marxists and Islamists can destroy the United States. ~ Carlos the Jackal)
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To: Question Liberal Authority

sadly lol


41 posted on 10/18/2008 10:12:38 AM PDT by make no mistake
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