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Restoring conservatism [eject the RINOs]
Renew America ^ | 2008-10-17 | Ken Connor

Posted on 10/17/2008 5:52:38 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

If the election were held today, Barack Obama would be the new President of the United States of America. The latest Real Clear Politics average of national polls shows Obama ahead of McCain by nearly seven percentage points. It looks like the Democrats are going to have control of both the White House and Congress for the next four years.

And, mark it down, if there is a Democrat sweep, conservative Republicans will get the blame.

The fact of the matter is, however, that President Bush and the Republicans who dominated Congress during most of his administration governed as anything but conservatives. Except during election season, it has been difficult to find any trace of conservative principles among incumbents within the Republican Party. During their tenure, Republican governance was characterized by out of control spending, record-setting earmarks, affirmative action programs for corporate wrongdoers, corrupt relations with special interests, and sexual scandal. While they often described themselves as "conservatives," their walk was very different from their talk.

. . . . .

Few Republicans in leadership in government during the past decade have been authentic conservatives. At best, they have been counterfeit conservatives, which no doubt accounts for why Republicans lost so many seats in 2006 and why they appear ready to lose more seats and the Presidency this November.

In the aftermath of the election, the Republican Party will undoubtedly have the time to engage in serious introspection. Hopefully, its leaders will come to understand that conservatism is not just a "label" or even a "movement." It is a way of life.

(Excerpt) Read more at renewamerica.us ...


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1 posted on 10/17/2008 5:52:38 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: MaggieCarta; jddqr; indylindy; roamer_1; calcowgirl; djsherin; Sunnyflorida; SoConPubbie; ...

Even in the bleakest of times, there is always a remnant.


2 posted on 10/17/2008 5:53:31 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Baldwin/Castle '08 - Gilmore for Senator from Virginia '08)
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To: rabscuttle385

RINOs need to be defeated in Primaries!!!!


3 posted on 10/17/2008 5:54:58 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (`Pontius Pilate voted "Present")
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To: rabscuttle385

My conservative congressman replaced a RINO in the great cleansing of republicans in the last election.


4 posted on 10/17/2008 5:55:52 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Paying taxes for bank bailouts is apparently the patriotic thing to do. [/sarc])
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To: rabscuttle385

It seems odd to blame conservatism, since our candidate is most certainly not a conservative, possibly outside of foreign policy and the judiciary. How can conservatism lose if it’s not in the race?

Nevertheless, our movement will be blamed. (sigh of resignation)


5 posted on 10/17/2008 5:58:33 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: stocksthatgoup

Correct and in main elections get rid of Democrats.


6 posted on 10/17/2008 6:03:19 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Tublecane

“moderates” are a lot like liberals in their refusal to ever accept blame.


7 posted on 10/17/2008 6:08:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Paying taxes for bank bailouts is apparently the patriotic thing to do. [/sarc])
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To: Tublecane
How can conservatism lose if it’s not in the race?

Because non-conservative Republicans have succeeded in making the GOP and conservativism synonymous in the public's eyes.

8 posted on 10/17/2008 6:10:07 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Baldwin/Castle '08 - Gilmore for Senator from Virginia '08)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

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9 posted on 10/17/2008 6:10:23 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Baldwin/Castle '08 - Gilmore for Senator from Virginia '08)
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To: stocksthatgoup

“RINOs need to be defeated in Primaries!!!!”

That bears daily repeating.

Killing the GOP in a general election because your guy didn’t win the primary usually means when he runs again he will be running against an incumbent and maybe one who got two or four more years as an incumbent, and Congressional incumbents have allot of non-financial advantages in an election.

Better your lost-primary candidate simply take the experience as lessons-learned and try again, while you and he/she go out and support the party’s primary winner.


10 posted on 10/17/2008 6:11:35 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: rabscuttle385

Boys, who knows what the future holds? Even just three weeks from now is a mystery to all those but God. I will say this, though — four years is just the blink of an eye — two years a half a blink. What is timeless is truth — life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Patience...


11 posted on 10/17/2008 6:15:33 PM PDT by Bowhunter
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To: rabscuttle385
And, mark it down, if there is a Democrat sweep, conservative Republicans will get the blame.

The Ross Perot wing of the conservative movement has done a great job indeed.

12 posted on 10/17/2008 6:18:06 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Nasty Pelosi is wrecking the country.)
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To: rabscuttle385

The strongest, most unapologetic Conservative Republican in my House delegation, a freshman elected in 2006, was BEATEN this year by a liberal RINO due to rodents voting in the GOP primary (since they couldn’t elect a Dem in November). We can’t even get our own preferred nominees for general elections now. The Dems aren’t even attempting to challenge Lamar! since he’s so RINO, they don’t have to worry about him not representing THEIR interests. I’m not voting for him this year. I’m quite FED up with the RINO trash.


13 posted on 10/17/2008 6:23:10 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: stocksthatgoup

RINOs need to be defeated in Primaries!!!!
***Then we need to revamp the primary system. The first primaries shouldn’t be in Iowa & places like that. It should be in the most heavy percentage republican states. We should have two every other day, 25 days total. The first two would be the heaviest repub & democrat states respectively, then the 2nd heaviest, and so on down the line.

Also, the first place to start with excising RINOs is right here on Free Republic. There’s way too many people pretending to be conservative. We need an idealogica matrix litmus test. It wouldn’t stop anyone from posting or joining even if they’re very liberal, but we could at least see that we’re dealing with a RINO.


14 posted on 10/17/2008 6:26:16 PM PDT by Kevmo (I love that sound and please let that baby keep on crying. ~Sarah Palin)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I’m not voting for him this year. I’m quite FED up with the RINO trash.

Are you voting for the Democrat?

15 posted on 10/17/2008 6:26:50 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: oldbrowser

Ross Perot was not a conservative, but the following looks interesting for now.

http://falconparty.com/

If the influential constituents behind both parties are fighting against my family interests, I won’t vote for either of their candidates.


16 posted on 10/17/2008 6:27:54 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: rabscuttle385

That did us a whole lot of good in 2006 didn’t it? Right now, our strategy and goal is different and we need seats, not housecleaning. Conservative R’s won’t have any influence if the dems have a filibuster proof majority. We have primaries for a reason, this is general election season and the next decade of legislative power is at stake. I am sure the dems would love for us to suddenly ‘teach the RINOs a lesson’ in a little under a month.


17 posted on 10/17/2008 6:30:48 PM PDT by mnehring (We Are Joe!)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

It doesn’t matter. Democrats are voting for the RINO.

I’m voting for the “None of the above” candidate.


18 posted on 10/17/2008 6:31:34 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: rabscuttle385

They had ten years and did nothing.

They flinched when they got a chance. Now, the consevative President is acting like a friggin commie.

Why would Americans vote for more Republican liberalism?


19 posted on 10/17/2008 6:31:40 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Democrats still want to get Pres. Bush and/or VP Cheney; there might be show trials in Feb09)
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To: rabscuttle385
If the election were held today, Barack Obama would be the new President of the United States of America.
The latest Real Clear Politics average of national polls shows Obama ahead of McCain by nearly seven percentage points.

Well all righty then. Since the election is being decided by the enemedia and fraudulent polls *spit* I guess I'll just stay in bed Nov. 4th. Thanks for the heads up.
(BTW, do these polls *spit* tell you the margin that they oversample the rats?)

It looks like the Democrats are going to have control of both the White House and Congress for the next four years.

Wow, you're not too negative are you Mr. Connor?
Oh, that's right...if bHUSSEINo wins we will not be having any more elections, least of all midterms.
Geez...just shoot me!

20 posted on 10/17/2008 6:34:11 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: rabscuttle385
"And, mark it down, if there is a Democrat sweep, conservative Republicans will get the blame."

I was a republican for decades. As of yesterday, I am no longer a Republican. The Republican Party has become another anti-family, anti-American party. It even shows in much of the hysterical rhetoric of the current campaign.


21 posted on 10/17/2008 6:34:40 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: familyop; pissant

Falcon Party ping!


22 posted on 10/17/2008 6:36:24 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Dump the Queeg. Unleash the Sarahcuda. Defeat Bambi the Marxist.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Yesterday I was reflecting on the 1994 mid term elections and the results. I guess that the leftward progress slowed with a Democrat in the White House and a leftist Supreme Court, but I had hoped for better.

However, liberals seemed to go crazy left. They became less and less willing to work with the majority and more staunch in their positions. The moderates didn’t have much of a voice anymore.

I don’t want Obama to become president and I am not convinced that he is really running ahead now. I think that the non committeds know who they are voting for. They just don’t want to admit they won’t vote for the one.

I do have the hope that if we do lose, we will take the path of the liberals in the 1990s and turn hard right. Apparently, that is not the kiss of death that the proponents of moderatism advocate.


23 posted on 10/17/2008 6:37:18 PM PDT by rbbeachkid (When is enough enough?)
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To: familyop

FALCON Party 2012, if we make it!


24 posted on 10/17/2008 6:38:00 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: rabscuttle385

I hate being this far out and the race is 2-3 points and we get people claiming the race is over and what we should do fix the problem of our defeat.

First thing is to IGNORE those who say the election is lost.

When in fact McCain is GAINING in the polls on O.

It ain’t over until November 4 th.


25 posted on 10/17/2008 6:40:19 PM PDT by stockpirate (Herbert Hoover, "Every collectivist revolution rides in on a Trojan horse of 'Emergency.'")
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To: rabscuttle385
Should McCain stumble into the white house you'll get a conservative’s nightmare. McCain, a consummate RINO, will have a bipartisan (dem/RINO) cabinet that will give us more socialism lite. As things continue to go to hell for the next four years we conservatives will be blamed once again.

In 1976 we were in the same boat. After four years of grief with jimmah conservatism was reaffirmed. I can only hope for a repeat of history.

Only one problem, where do we get a 65 year old Ronald Reagan clone by 2010?

26 posted on 10/17/2008 6:41:51 PM PDT by Tail Gunner John
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To: Tail Gunner John
McCain, a consummate RINO, will have a bipartisan (dem/RINO) cabinet that will give us more socialism lite. As things continue to go to hell for the next four years we conservatives will be blamed once again.

Bingo.

Should McCain stumble into the white house you'll get a conservative’s nightmare.

Now do Freepers understand why there is a Juan McCain ping list? McCain has the ability and the willingness to single-handedly discredit and destroy the entire conservative movement.

And now so many conservatives and Republicans are contemplating giving him the power to do so.

27 posted on 10/17/2008 6:44:07 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Dump the Queeg. Unleash the Sarahcuda. Defeat Bambi the Marxist.)
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To: jan in Colorado
Except during election season, it has been difficult to find any trace of conservative principles among incumbents within the Republican Party. During their tenure, Republican governance was characterized by out of control spending, record-setting earmarks, affirmative action programs for corporate wrongdoers, corrupt relations with special interests, and sexual scandal. While they often described themselves as "conservatives," their walk was very different from their talk.

I wish that if we had to have a liberal, people wouldn't think he was a "conservative."

Sad that "Compassionate Conservatism" = "Nanny-State Socialism"

28 posted on 10/17/2008 6:45:59 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Leftist liberals are about to overtake the country and you are worry about “RINO”s, instead of the leftist Democrats!

Read this:

A Liberal Supermajority
Get ready for ‘change’ we haven’t seen since 1965, or 1933.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122420205889842989.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

If the current polls hold, Barack Obama will win the White House on November 4 and Democrats will consolidate their Congressional majorities, probably with a filibuster-proof Senate or very close to it. Without the ability to filibuster, the Senate would become like the House, able to pass whatever the majority wants.

Liberals would dominate the entire government in a way they haven’t since 1965, or 1933. In other words, the election would mark the restoration of the activist government that fell out of public favor in the 1970s. If the U.S. really is entering a period of unchecked left-wing ascendancy, Americans at least ought to understand what they will be getting, especially with the media cheering it all on.


29 posted on 10/17/2008 6:51:06 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: jan in Colorado
Except during election season, it has been difficult to find any trace of conservative principles among incumbents within the Republican Party. During their tenure, Republican governance was characterized by out of control spending, record-setting earmarks, affirmative action programs for corporate wrongdoers, corrupt relations with special interests, and sexual scandal. While they often described themselves as "conservatives," their walk was very different from their talk.

I wish that if we had to have a liberal, people wouldn't think he was a "conservative."

Sad that "Compassionate Conservatism" = "Nanny-State Socialism"

30 posted on 10/17/2008 6:51:10 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: rabscuttle385

You are just a school boy with no background in the world of reality.

I have been following elections since the time of Eisenhower on.
Also worked for Reagan when he first ran for Gov.

I remember the Korean War, the Viet Nam War and major activity today with the war in the Middle East where I have many relatives, not to mention the Cuban crisis, Berlin, and Cold War.

Duck and Cover drills and air raid sirens testing when I was in school as my city has the largest concentration of Navy and Marines.
Being for some days in Communist East Germany in the early 1980s.

America is not a board game. True Americans are still fighting to see that McCain wins and Republican victory over democrats in congress and st. gov.

If you think by trying to punish the Republicans by having Marxist & isolationists win, you really have no understanding that this is our last election if Obama wins.

An don’t go into the border issue, I have fought the issue of illegals for yrs.

Looking south from my apt. bldg, I can see the bay and part of Mexico jetting out. I am around 18 miles north of the largest and busiest border crossing in the world.
so don’t push that issue, I live it and am damn glad to vote for McCain as he is our last hope


31 posted on 10/17/2008 6:54:29 PM PDT by SoCalPol (McCain / Palin 08 The Only Choice)
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To: Just A Nobody
"FALCON Party 2012, if we make it!"

We'll make it. I live near a very large rich folks' play area and have driven many Miss Daisies and their boys to their lodgings there. Those places get much of their revenues from corporates and favored employees of corporates. ...see them driving their $50,000-$150,000 vehicles every day. Trust me: the big push for Obama is coming from relatives of most of the political rich white folks. Most higher managers in corporates are related to many university instructors, highly paid government employees, and the like.

Such people only pick between politicians to choose our presidents based on the more trivial traits of politicians' personalities. In nomination campaigning, politicians are chosen by the same most influential constituents for each political party. After the general elections, the elected politicians do as they're told by our superiors while in office.

And that's the point. The elected politicians will do as they're told by the most influential constituents in both parties. Whether McCain or Obama, it will be government by the same clucking flocks of relatives of the wealthiest people: those with resources and much time on their hands.

I believe that we'll see more of the same policies either way. For example, almost all of the congressmen in both parties voted in favor of the VAWA. The VAWA is anti-family, unconstitutional and anti-Second-Amendment. Almost of members of congress in both parties have also voted against our national security for trade-related bills.

The most influential constituents have most recently pushed our elected politicians away from doing anything about Iran, because they don't want oil to go up. If oil goes way up, freight fuel will go out of sight. If freight fuel goes very high, the import regime will stop. Thus, domestic manufacturing would have to resume as it has in the past--a very difficult transition ahead.

There's another thing to consider. If the Democrats get into office, they won't have big revenues to work with due to the national deficit.

The way to "make it" is to save and store for the winter ahead. And we're going to see that winter regardless of which party fills most of the government offices. Globalism is going to crumble by way of balancing currencies (Asia getting richer and raising prices), oil shortages and/or high-intensity wars.


32 posted on 10/17/2008 7:14:50 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: SoCalPol; roamer_1; fieldmarshaldj
You are just a school boy with no background in the world of reality.

During the course of the procession, a small child cries out, "But he has nothing on!" (source)

The emperor has no clothes, and that is the reality here.

It's such a pity that you apparently believe that Columbia's youngest citizens are irrelevant. Instead of listening to their hopes and fears, Republicans are too busy dismissing them and ridiculing them, and that is why they are turning to the false Messiah Obama in droves.

As per this election, we must hold to what we believe, for if we do not, then what is our purpose for fighting?

33 posted on 10/17/2008 7:22:34 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Dump the Queeg. Unleash the Sarahcuda. Defeat Bambi the Marxist.)
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To: rabscuttle385

PING!!!


34 posted on 10/17/2008 7:41:51 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Wuli

If Republicans aren’t voting for conservatives in the primaries... then Republicans aren’t the conservative party.

And as such, conservatives need to leave and form a party that actually WILL represent them.


35 posted on 10/17/2008 7:43:45 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Your reality is Kabuki Slapstick.
The adult world should be something you aspire to someday.


36 posted on 10/17/2008 7:47:33 PM PDT by SoCalPol (McCain / Palin 08 The Only Choice)
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To: FocusNexus

And our wonderful Republican party is aiding this by fielding the most liberal candidates they can possibly find.

Mel Martinez... Juan McCain... just as examples.

I’m surprised that they haven’t tried to excommunicate Governor Palin, as she seems to be their antithesis.


37 posted on 10/17/2008 7:48:07 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: gogogodzilla

How don’t care if such “conservatives” leave the GOP.

But, in a general election, when the facts are evident and the winner will either be the GOP candidate and an avoid Marxist like Obama, I hope those “conservatives” understand that their own party members, if elected to Congress, will find more favor with other GOPers there and a GOP President than they will ever get from an Obama; and therefore, just as I would expect GOP members to vote for a “Conservative Party” presidential candidate, when the other top likely winner was an Obama; which I have allot of confidence that most in the GOP would do.

So, if you expect me to believe that you really care most about your conservatism but that you prefer to NOT vote for McCain, then I will accept that you are NOT a true conservative because one would not help elect an avoid Marxist, no matter what.


38 posted on 10/17/2008 7:50:17 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: familyop
I was a republican for decades. As of yesterday, I am no longer a Republican. The Republican Party has become another anti-family, anti-American party. It even shows in much of the hysterical rhetoric of the current campaign.

What nonsense, it sure doesn't make sense to lose this election where the liberal dims will do their will for the next number of years.

I'll speak for myself, but I assure that if McCain loses this election because of malcontent ultra conservatives stay home, you can rest assure that come the next election cycle I will make sure I don't vote for a candidate that the base will be people who think it's ok to bive us Obama and liberals for the next 4 - 8 years.

I'm personally fed up with folks who think staying home is the answer, I have nothing in common with that line of thought and believe me will not have anything in common with the person you push next time.

Have a nice evening.

39 posted on 10/17/2008 8:13:58 PM PDT by billva
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To: billva
"...but I assure that if McCain loses this election because of malcontent ultra conservatives...I have nothing in common with that line of thought and believe me will not have anything in common with the person you push next time."

I worked for family rights while being opposed by the prevailing matrons and sugar daddies of both political parties for over a decade. It's very doubtful that you would be persuaded to vote for a candidate of our choosing regardless of how we vote (or not) in the meantime. But the circumstances of the next few years, regardless of the outcome of the Election, will probably change most minds toward social conservatism and defense over foreign trade and reigning sexual confusion in our leadership.


40 posted on 10/17/2008 9:03:36 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: cripplecreek

“Moderates” are liberals in other clothes.


41 posted on 10/17/2008 9:58:53 PM PDT by benldguy
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To: familyop
I worked for family rights while being opposed by the prevailing matrons and sugar daddies of both political parties for over a decade. It's very doubtful that you would be persuaded to vote for a candidate of our choosing regardless of how we vote (or not) in the meantime. But the circumstances of the next few years, regardless of the outcome of the Election, will probably change most minds toward social conservatism and defense over foreign trade and reigning sexual confusion in our leadership.

Well I have supported every Republican since Nixon ran the first time. I was strong for Goldwater and Reagan in particular so your assumption as to who I would support is erroneous. So it's not the candidate that would bother me but the folks who consider themselves the base who are willing to throw the election away because a candidate isn't conservative enough for them.

42 posted on 10/18/2008 3:32:41 AM PDT by billva
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To: Finalapproach29er; rabscuttle385
Now, the consevative President is acting like a friggin commie.

Bush is NOT a conservative. He is, however, a Republican.

Please, don't confuse the two. This is precisely what the article is talking about. "Republican" has somehow become a synonym for "Conservative".

Nothing could be further from the truth.

43 posted on 10/18/2008 6:17:10 AM PDT by MaggieCarta (Michigan. Coming soon to a country near you.)
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To: stocksthatgoup
RINOs need to be defeated in Primaries!!!!

RINOs need to be defeated, PERIOD.

Vote Conservative, ONLY.

44 posted on 10/18/2008 6:23:29 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Wuli
Killing the GOP in a general election because your guy didn’t win the primary

That has nothing to do with it. Conservatives vote for Conservatives. Why is that so hard to understand? The support given to Republicans by Conservatives is deep and wide, and longstanding. But it must be within certain and well known parameters. As long as Republicans are within those Conservative borders, they are supported with out fail, and with all the loyalty one could possibly ask for.

In fact, It is so much the case that Republicans take it for granted. But it is *not* the case, nor has it ever been. When Republicans are not Conservative, they are dropped like a hot rock, and when the party suffers likewise, it can expect the same treatment.

We will be represented, or we will not participate. We have all the muscle, and can certainly go build a party of our own, and I think it high time we do.

45 posted on 10/18/2008 6:45:08 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: mnehrling
Right now, our strategy and goal is different and we need seats, not housecleaning.

WRONG. Throw the bastards out. Anyone who voted for amnesty. Anyone who voted for bailout. See ya.

If Republicans want seats, they can get them the hard way. EARN THEM.

As to whether the RINOs are in control or the Dems are, there is little difference at all.

46 posted on 10/18/2008 6:53:59 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: SoCalPol; rabscuttle385
Your reality is Kabuki Slapstick. The adult world should be something you aspire to someday.

rabs is dead-on right, most of the way around. I am glad to see Conservatism in the next generation, and it takes an extra large pair of onions to stand and take it from the rhinestone Republicans hereabouts and not waver. THAT is a Conservative quality that is growing quite rare.

If half the Republicans hereabouts had the conviction of this growlin' pup, Hunter would be getting elected this November. Try and remember that before you try to turn him to the dark side.

47 posted on 10/18/2008 7:13:09 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Wuli
I hope those “conservatives” understand that their own party members [...]

Many, many Conservatives are no longer party members. Everyone I know used to be Republicans... Now I a pretty hard pressed to think of anyone I know who is a Republican... Right off hand I can think of two. the rest are all indys now.

We are not beholden to your party-line bullcrap anymore (not that we were before anyway).

48 posted on 10/18/2008 7:20:10 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: rabscuttle385
It looks like the Democrats are going to have control of both the White House and Congress for the next four years.

I guess we are skipping the 2010 mid-term elections.

49 posted on 10/18/2008 7:20:51 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper (Gen. George S. Patton to Michael Moore... American Carol: "I really like slapping you.")
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To: SoCalPol; Bender2

Well said.

This little childish tirade that has continued since McCain was nominated is more about ego and self-aggrandizement than sound judgment and conservatism.

It sets up a straw man argument that says the only way conservatives can regain control of the GOP and majority in electoral office is if the dhimmicrats win.

In fact, a dhimmicrat victory will lead to state suppression of conservative thought and expression in the guise of fairness, racist labeling and class warfare. They will bring the full weight of government at every level to silence and suppress us. Our democratic political process, currently being criminally manipulated by the dhimmicrat party, will be controlled by the dhimmicrats, holding monopoly power, using the same tools of manipulation unchecked by defanged legal and political systems.

I dare say this election is more than about ridding the GOP of RINOs (which must occur)...it is about the survival of pluralistic democracy so we are able to fight another day in the marketplace of ideas.

To hope for a nObama win is unthinkable and wrongheaded.


50 posted on 10/18/2008 7:51:38 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper (Gen. George S. Patton to Michael Moore... American Carol: "I really like slapping you.")
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