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Iraqis stage mass anti-US rally
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Posted on 10/18/2008 12:29:18 PM PDT by austrian

Supporters of Shia cleric Moqtada Sadr have staged a mass demonstration in Baghdad in protest against plans to extend the US mandate in Iraq.

An estimated 50,000 protesters chanted slogans such as "Get out occupier!".

Iraqi and US negotiators drafted the deal after months of talks but it still needs approval from Iraq's government.

Under the agreement US troops would withdraw by 2011, and Iraq would have the right to prosecute Americans who commit crimes while off-duty.

The UN mandate for US-led coalition forces expires at the end of this year. About 144,000 of the 152,000 foreign troops deployed there are US military personnel.

Political battle

Chanting slogans and waving banners, tens of thousands of Shias, mainly young men, marched on the eastern suburb of Sadr City towards the centre of Baghdad. The BBC's Jim Muir in Baghdad says Moqtada Sadr's militant opposition to the US presence has strong grassroots support among many Shias - and this was a physical manifestation of that opposition.

He says leaders of the 30-strong Sadr bloc in the Iraqi parliament will have expressed that rejection at a meeting of Iraq's Political Council for National Security late on Friday.

The meeting of top political leaders and the heads of parliamentary factions was convened to discuss the draft agreement covering the US military presence after its mandate expires.

No decisions were taken but the Council is to meet again to hear back from military experts on what is a very complex and detailed document.

Our correspondent says its passage through parliament may follow naturally if it is approved by the Council, but this is by no means assured and a tough political battle is already shaping up.

In Washington, US defence chief Robert Gates has been courting support for the deal from key members of Congress...

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alsadr; iraq

1 posted on 10/18/2008 12:29:18 PM PDT by austrian
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To: austrian

I wonder if Al Sadr is looking at the American Presidential polls and betting that help is on the way from Obama?


2 posted on 10/18/2008 12:32:56 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: austrian
Iraqis MSM-catering, Iran-paid rented mob of bums stage mass anti-US rally

There fixed it.

3 posted on 10/18/2008 12:36:53 PM PDT by SolidWood
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To: austrian

This will be the only Iraq story to make the news today.


4 posted on 10/18/2008 12:36:58 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Truth29
That's exactly what he is doing, he's no dummy. He figures if he causes trouble now in Iraq it will insure an Obama win and thus Obama will retreat and surrender. Meanwhile, Iraq becomes another Islamic Republic and a threat to Israel. I think you have something here! McCain needs to bring this issue up or Palin!
5 posted on 10/18/2008 12:37:14 PM PDT by D_Hawk
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To: austrian

i guess iraq is a No win situatian right now. if the troops stay they will be seen more and more as occupiers. if they leave civil war will break out


6 posted on 10/18/2008 12:38:36 PM PDT by austrian
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To: Truth29
“I wonder if Al Sadr is looking at the American Presidential polls and betting that help is on the way from Obama?”

No question at all.

Guaranteed. The last thing islamo facist want is McCain elected.

7 posted on 10/18/2008 12:41:41 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares (Refusing to kneel before the polling gods and whimper.)
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To: Truth29

Exactly. This is the Obama effect kicking in early.


8 posted on 10/18/2008 12:42:40 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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To: austrian

“i guess iraq is a No win situatian right now. if the troops stay they will be seen more and more as occupiers. if they leave civil war will break out”

Iraq became a no-win situation when we decided to nation-build with our military instead of doing what our military does best.


9 posted on 10/18/2008 12:47:41 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

They should have started, on day one, to shoot looters on the spot. That would have made an enormous difference in the entire relationship.


10 posted on 10/18/2008 12:49:39 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (It's Joe the Plumber vs Barack the Socialist.)
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To: austrian

snip “An estimated 50,000 protesters chanted....”

50,000? In whose estimate? I don’t believe any numbers these people put forward.

Show me an aerial photograph.

Where are the pix of Green Helmet Guy and Saddam’s old information minister?


11 posted on 10/18/2008 12:52:55 PM PDT by bkopto (Politicians are like parents who tell you what time to go to bed but can't put dinner on the table.)
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To: bkopto

hit the link to the bbc page.
there is a short video of the protests


12 posted on 10/18/2008 12:54:41 PM PDT by austrian
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To: austrian

Why have we not gotten Mookie yet....?


13 posted on 10/18/2008 1:00:07 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Que Sarah, Sarah)
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To: Jeff Chandler

“They should have started, on day one, to shoot looters on the spot. That would have made an enormous difference in the entire relationship.”

It would have been a good idea, to be sure, but in the end, it’s the whole concept of nation-building - that somehow, some way (and with enough money) we can pull an Arab democracy out of a camel’s @ss.


14 posted on 10/18/2008 1:02:29 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: austrian

“Iraq would have the right to prosecute Americans who commit crimes while off-duty.”

Just before our troops submit to sharia law, Hillary will sign on as a `Victoria’s Secret’ model.


15 posted on 10/18/2008 1:07:08 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: La Enchiladita
"Why have we not gotten Mookie yet....?"

My question exactly. (Well, not quite. My language was a little more um, colorful...?)

16 posted on 10/18/2008 1:13:54 PM PDT by redhead (Alaska: Step out of the bus, and into the food chain.)
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To: austrian

Iraqis stage mass anti-US rally

Correction:

Some Iraqis stage mass anti-US rally

There. That’s better.


17 posted on 10/18/2008 1:14:30 PM PDT by Khepri (It's the audacity, stupid!)
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To: austrian

STFU, Sadr and your little Iranaian thugs. Go back to Iran where you belong.


18 posted on 10/18/2008 1:15:09 PM PDT by Allegra (NO giving up, NO quitting, NO doom and gloom, NO drama queens...Keep up the faith)
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To: Khepri; austrian
Correction:

Some Iraqis stage mass anti-US rally

There. That’s better.

Here, I'll take it one step further.

A few Iraqis and a bunch of Iranian scumbags stage mass anti-US rally.

19 posted on 10/18/2008 1:17:18 PM PDT by Allegra (NO giving up, NO quitting, NO doom and gloom, NO drama queens...Keep up the faith)
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To: Allegra

Thank you.
That is MUCH more accurate.


20 posted on 10/18/2008 1:26:09 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: Allegra
There, now that is accurate.
21 posted on 10/18/2008 1:26:25 PM PDT by Obadiah (Vote for Obama so he can spread your wealth!)
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To: austrian

“if the troops stay they will be seen more and more as occupiers”

NOT SO.

They, the U.S. troops will always be less than desirable to those, like the radical Shia militia leader Sadr, who want to use violence to pressure others to bend to their way.

Your statement serves only such people, because it telescopes their excuses about the American troops into a national sentiment - which it isn’t.

Even in Sadr City, the U.S. troops are in joint patrols with the Iraqi forces.

Sadr will always have complaints and will always use the U.S. forces as his excuse. It’s in his political DNA with his ties to Iran.

So, my question is, why do YOU parrot his excuse????


22 posted on 10/18/2008 1:28:08 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: austrian

Opps. I thought this thread was about the rally in St. Louis today.


23 posted on 10/18/2008 1:32:37 PM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant, Never Fearful)
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To: 21twelve

I was going to ask if someone could post the picture of the StL rally on this thread...


24 posted on 10/18/2008 1:34:14 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Truth29

He knows for certain that he will get the help if 0bama is elected.


25 posted on 10/18/2008 1:36:33 PM PDT by 353FMG (What marxism and fascism could not destroy, liberalism did.)
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To: Allegra

Are you still in country?

Give us the low down.


26 posted on 10/18/2008 1:38:31 PM PDT by Islander7 (This Atlas is shrugging! ~ I am Joe!)
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To: tumblindice

“..Hillary will sign on as a `Victoria’s Secret’ model.”

Underwear or bathing suits?


27 posted on 10/18/2008 1:38:37 PM PDT by 353FMG (What marxism and fascism could not destroy, liberalism did.)
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To: RFEngineer

“Iraq became a no-win situation when we decided to nation-build...”

It is my understanding that after running off the bad guys we helped them build schools, hospitals, infrastruture and arranged for them to hold free elections.

Presently, we are helping them maintain a relatively stable countryside. Relative, for instance, to Los Angeles County and its gangs.

We have a large number of unannounced accomplishments, including the opening of ur military facilities to treat the disproportionate rate of diseases and congenital defects suffered by their children due to Saddam’s toxic environment.

Perhaps you can give us a few examples of the disadvantages of using our military to nation build.


28 posted on 10/18/2008 1:54:47 PM PDT by frog in a pot (Is there a definition of "domestic enemies" as used in federal oaths, or is that just lip service?)
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To: Islander7
Are you still in country?

Yes.

Give us the low down.

Say "please." :)

A lot of the Mehdi Army is made up of Iranians. Not Iraqis who were trained in Iran (although there are some of those, too), but America-hating, mullah-worshiping trash from Iran.

Iran hates this democracy. They hate that Iraq is free. They know there's not much they can do about it other than stir up people in the streets about this security agreement and even that's being largely ignored.

I doubt they'll even start launching their stupid mortars and rockets at us again like they did this past spring, since they had their asses royally kicked for that.

So, they're just making some whiney noise with these stupid demonstrations they have here on Fridays. They've been doing this; for some reason the media is just now cluing into it.

29 posted on 10/18/2008 2:00:19 PM PDT by Allegra (NO giving up, NO quitting, NO doom and gloom, NO drama queens...Keep up the faith)
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To: frog in a pot
Excellent post.

You've got it right.

30 posted on 10/18/2008 2:01:52 PM PDT by Allegra (NO giving up, NO quitting, NO doom and gloom, NO drama queens...Keep up the faith)
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To: 17th Miss Regt; 21twelve
Obama leading the crowd in a chant:

"Occupiers out! Occupiers out! Muqtada al-Sadr! Muqtada al-Sadr! Muqtada al-Sadr! Long live IRAN!!"


31 posted on 10/18/2008 2:13:49 PM PDT by Allegra (NO giving up, NO quitting, NO doom and gloom, NO drama queens...Keep up the faith)
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To: Allegra

I really don’t think Obama is that stupid. He’ll wait until after the election (IF he is elected) to give that speach.


32 posted on 10/18/2008 2:15:48 PM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant, Never Fearful)
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To: 21twelve

Err...that was humor.


33 posted on 10/18/2008 2:24:02 PM PDT by Allegra (NO giving up, NO quitting, NO doom and gloom, NO drama queens...Keep up the faith)
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To: Allegra

Thank you!

You are a jewel!


34 posted on 10/18/2008 2:39:37 PM PDT by Islander7 (This Atlas is shrugging! ~ I am Joe!)
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To: Allegra
Wow. 50,000 of 'em in one place and no one in the White House with the guts to pull the trigger.

Now that's sad.

L

35 posted on 10/18/2008 2:45:14 PM PDT by Lurker (She's not a lesbian, she doesn't whine, she doesn't hate her country, and she's not afraid of guns.)
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To: Allegra

I know. I wish my post was.


36 posted on 10/18/2008 2:51:13 PM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant, Never Fearful)
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To: austrian

Has Obama/ACORN been talking to Sadr?


37 posted on 10/18/2008 5:16:32 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Vote Obaba: Get more stuff!)
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To: frog in a pot

“Perhaps you can give us a few examples of the disadvantages of using our military to nation build.”

I do not mean any disrespect to you, but if you truly must ask this question, you truly do not understand the nature of warfare, or the soldiers that engage in it.

I will give you this opinion: Iraqi’s are not worth the money or lives that we have spent on them in futile pursuit of an impossible pipe dream of an Arab democracy.


38 posted on 10/18/2008 5:59:17 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

Your first statement is extremely reckless in light of the fact you know nothing of my background.

Further, that was not a question, it was an invitation intended to help you support your “no-win” assertion; an invitation you apparently wish to avoid.

Your second statement appears to be an attempt to change the issue. It reminds me of the liberals who are squealing that Joe the Plumber is unlicensed.

In total, your response indicates to me there is nothing to be gained by continuing this discussion.


39 posted on 10/18/2008 7:00:20 PM PDT by frog in a pot (Is there a definition of "domestic enemies" as used in federal oaths, or is that just lip service?)
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To: frog in a pot

“Your first statement is extremely reckless in light of the fact you know nothing of my background.”

Ok Rambo, why don’t you tell me your background? If you think our military is for nation-building, then you are completely misguided. If you think that, you may also be our commander-in-chief, but that’s another discussion.


40 posted on 10/18/2008 7:16:26 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: 21twelve
I know. I wish my post was.

Sorry. It was. It was late at night my time and my brain was entering "dead" phase. :)

41 posted on 10/18/2008 11:48:03 PM PDT by Allegra (NO giving up, NO quitting, NO doom and gloom, NO drama queens...Keep up the faith)
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To: Allegra

“Occupiers out! Occupiers out! Muqtada al-Sadr! Muqtada al-Sadr! Muqtada al-Sadr! Long live IRAN!!”

No. I mean I wish I WAS joking (okay, I was joking, but the more I think about it - it isn’t a joke). Obama will wait until after he is elected (IF he is) to say this. Maybe not in so many words, but he will.

“As can be seen by the majority of Iraqis - and Americans, they want the U.S. occupation army out, and that is what we will do. The Occupation of Iraq is over”.

“al-Sadr, the popular leader of the Province, has agreed to meet with us regarding a coalition leadership in Iraq. This is a huge step forward in bringing all leaders into the process of rebuilding Iraq” (shoot - I think President Bush practically said this a long time ago making a brief treaty with Sadr for awhile!?)

“Iran’s quest for clean and efficent Nuclear Energy is a noble quest. By the U.S. providing them with Uranium and technology, we can not only make sure that these materials are going to civilian programs, but we can can bring Iran into the fold of our friendship. And rather than be enemies, we can both fight together our common enemy of Global Warming”.

(Okay - that bit about the global warming was over the top. The rest wasn’t - at least not for Obama.)


42 posted on 10/19/2008 12:06:39 AM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant, Never Fearful)
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To: Allegra

LOL, that’s even better and much more accurate!....


43 posted on 10/19/2008 8:19:21 AM PDT by Khepri (It's the audacity, stupid!)
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To: RFEngineer; frog in a pot
If you think our military is for nation-building, then you are completely misguided. If you think that, you may also be our commander-in-chief, but that’s another discussion.

In this particular case, it was the right thing to do. Every conflict is different.

We went to war against a regime, not the nation's people. One of the many reasons for doing so was to establish a strong and stable ally in a very volatile and dangerous region.

In order to do that, it was incumbent upon us to stabilize the country. Leaving it in smoldering ruins would have given Iran a much larger territory from which to operate. Since the war drew a large contingent of al Qaeda into the country, it was almost like a two-fer. While the reconstruction of the nation has been underway, there has always been concurrent combat action, and the enemy has been engaged far from U.S. shores. The battles only abated earlier this year, allowing the reconstruction to really get going. We are doing it now with Iraqi funds, by the way.

This is not a no-win situation by any stretch. This is a very successful operation and the media has managed to conceal that from the American people for the most part.

44 posted on 10/19/2008 9:10:16 AM PDT by Allegra (NO giving up, NO quitting, NO doom and gloom, NO drama queens...Keep up the faith)
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To: vladimir998

Think the financial backers of this rally want Obama as President? A way of helping Obama without having to donate directly to his campaign?


45 posted on 10/19/2008 9:14:15 AM PDT by WildWeasel
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To: Allegra

“We went to war against a regime, not the nation’s people. One of the many reasons for doing so was to establish a strong and stable ally in a very volatile and dangerous region.”

You and I have gone ‘round before on this. I appreciate your view on-the-spot. This is a noble goal, quixotically so. There is very little likelihood of us having a strong and stable ally in Iraq. They will be an islamic state. Republicans will blame a democratic congress or Obama, if elected for the failure, but in the end, nation building does not work in the third world - and that is the reason why it will fail. We don’t have enough time, money, or patience to force them into the first world. Their third world corruption, cronyism, and incompetence stands in the way.


46 posted on 10/19/2008 5:45:17 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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