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Working for the Working-Class Vote (Will gun-toting, churchgoing white guys vote for Barack Obama?)
NY Times ^ | October 19, 2008 | MATT BAI

Posted on 10/19/2008 1:38:11 PM PDT by neverdem

For a guy who just four years ago was running his first statewide campaign, Barack Obama has made startlingly few missteps as a presidential candidate.

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I was surprised, then, when Webb told me that while he was enthusiastic about Obama and would campaign for him, he did not intend to vouch for him on social issues. “I believe that Barack Obama has the temperament and the intellect and the ideas to be president,” Webb said. “But I don’t talk about his positions, and I don’t defend his positions.” When I commented that Webb wasn’t where Obama was on gun rights (Obama favors what he calls some “common sense” restrictions), Webb cut me off. “No, he’s not where I am on guns,” he said pointedly. It occurred to me that this was probably the kind of validation Obama could do without. (Webb appears to have softened his stance. A few weeks later, he decided to tape an ad promising voters in southwestern Virginia that Obama would not, in fact, confiscate their guns.)

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“I am convinced that if there were no Fox News, I might be two or three points higher in the polls,” Obama told me. “If I were watching Fox News, I wouldn’t vote for me, right? Because the way I’m portrayed 24/7 is as a freak! I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?

“I guess the point I’m making,” he went on, “is that there is an entire industry now, an entire apparatus, designed to perpetuate this cultural schism, and it’s powerful. People want to know that you’re fighting for them, that you get them. And I actually think I do. But you know, if people are just seeing me in sound bites, they’re not...”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; barackobama; disarmament; guncontrol; gunregistration; jameswebb; jimwebb; obama; rats; rkba; swingstates; timkaine; va; va2008; virginia
"Will gun-toting, churchgoing white guys pull the lever for Barack Obama?"

That was the subtitle in the index section for the NY Times Sunday Magazine. They didn't use in the story, but it was on top in the border of the window. I had to change it to fit.

1 posted on 10/19/2008 1:38:11 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

WHERE ARE THE 527-s???

NRA, Right to Life, etc.


2 posted on 10/19/2008 1:42:22 PM PDT by Reagan69
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To: neverdem

Considering how much the NYT despises gun owning, religious white males it really bewilders me how they would even want their support. It speaks volumes about how stupid they really think they are.


3 posted on 10/19/2008 1:42:39 PM PDT by VR-21
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To: neverdem

“Will gun-toting, churchgoing white guys pull the lever for Barack Obama?”

As one of those so-called knuckle-dragging morons (albeit with an Ivy League education on an under-graduate and graduate level, for which I am mortified), the answer is not only No, but hell No.


4 posted on 10/19/2008 1:43:16 PM PDT by MarkT
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To: neverdem

Not only no, but, Hell no.

Bittlerly clinging to guns and religion,

NRA LIFE

Concho


5 posted on 10/19/2008 1:44:28 PM PDT by Concho
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To: Reagan69

They NRA has been running tons of ads, you have not been paying attention, Obama tried to intimidate radio stations in PA to stop running ads about Obama’s gun grabbing positions.


6 posted on 10/19/2008 1:44:31 PM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: neverdem

Looking forward to their article on: Will church going, gun toting black guys vote for McCain?

I’m sure they’re studying every angle of how different races will vote, right?


7 posted on 10/19/2008 1:45:40 PM PDT by Will88
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To: neverdem

Few missteps?? You mean, few REPORTED missteps, don’t you there fellas!


8 posted on 10/19/2008 1:46:15 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: padre35

I guess they just aren’t running here in Florida. I’m glad they are doing it!


9 posted on 10/19/2008 1:46:43 PM PDT by Reagan69
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To: neverdem

The answer is obvious to everyone but the NYT - NO! No American (regardless of color) is going to vote for Obama. The media and the pollsters are just setting up for riots - gives the media more job security. It’s not real. It’s not true. So many of us know that.


10 posted on 10/19/2008 1:47:13 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: padre35

I personally saw ads he was running in Amarillo, TX that were crafted to look like NRA ads supporting him. I did contact HQ about that, and I think that they have been pulled. We dont need Obama bin Lyin in the big chair.


11 posted on 10/19/2008 1:47:46 PM PDT by Concho
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To: neverdem
“I guess the point I’m making,”...

...is why we won'y buy your bullsh!t.

12 posted on 10/19/2008 1:48:01 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (Vanity and poll threads....now....vanity threads about polls. Give me a break.)
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To: neverdem
Obama versus our way of life:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58Z9p3CR-ys&eurl


13 posted on 10/19/2008 1:50:09 PM PDT by XR7
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To: neverdem

Webb sold his soul to the devil (obama). Anything for power. He’s going to mighty surprised when he has to vote for banning those guns that he promised those Virginians would not be banned.


14 posted on 10/19/2008 1:50:48 PM PDT by Terry Mross (O)
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To: neverdem

“Will gun-toting churchgoing white guys pull the lever for Barack Obama?”

Let me think,,,,,,, NOPE, We aint that stupid.


15 posted on 10/19/2008 1:52:44 PM PDT by southernerwithanattitude ({new and improved redneck})
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To: neverdem
"Will gun-toting, churchgoing white guys pull the lever for Barack Obama?"


Which lever would that be?


ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE

16 posted on 10/19/2008 1:53:33 PM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: Concho
Ditto, same as you.

Also the guns don't go till after I have no ammo.

17 posted on 10/19/2008 1:55:15 PM PDT by Rapunzel (Never forget Fallujah..S. Helvenston RIP.....Sarah...Sarah...Sarah loves America)
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To: neverdem

“Working for the Working-Class Vote (Will gun-toting, churchgoing white guys vote for Barack Obama?)”

No.


18 posted on 10/19/2008 1:55:47 PM PDT by CriticalJ
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To: Terry Mross

*THIS* gun totin’ white guy ain’t voting for brak...


19 posted on 10/19/2008 1:55:51 PM PDT by chadwimc (Proud to be an infidel ! Allah fubar !!!)
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To: neverdem

They will if they don’t want to work but still get paid.


20 posted on 10/19/2008 1:57:24 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: XR7

I love that video! Thats the first time I’ve seen it.


21 posted on 10/19/2008 1:57:33 PM PDT by southernerwithanattitude ({new and improved redneck})
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To: neverdem

o he’s made a many missteps and comments but it is the media who fail to report it as they don’t want their Messiah’s real views and personality getting to be known public

if the media actually did their job and reported on obama like they did for Joe the plumber then obama’s numbers would be at least 20 down


22 posted on 10/19/2008 1:58:33 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: huldah1776

In many minds, a vote for Obama is like “sticking it to the man.”


23 posted on 10/19/2008 2:00:27 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: Oldpuppymax

You sure have that right.

Obama has a long, long record of support for gun control, abortion on demand, and wealth redistribution. Now he claims to be a moderate to the right of McCain. Only an extremely gullible person would fall for it.

I’d say about 1/3 of voters like Obama because they know he’s really ultra-liberal, and they like it. They know he’s lying like crazy to get elected, but that’s fine so long as he gets elected. In other words, the ends justify the means. These people are basically evil (what else can you call people who want to steal from their fellow citizens, use deceit to win elections, and use greed/envy/racial animosity to gain support?).

The middle 1/3 either just aren’t paying attention or have fallen for the disinformation. They are essentially decent people who tend to be conservative, but they only know what the MSM feeds them. It is this 1/3 that will decide the election if we can only get through to them.

The final 1/3 know what Obama intends and oppose it (that’s us, the good guys).


24 posted on 10/19/2008 2:02:43 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Voting proudly for GOVERNOR Palin for VP!)
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To: neverdem

I really doubt gun toting, etc will vote for Obama and he knows it. His PR people have to have something to do. They sure don’t tell the truth.


25 posted on 10/19/2008 2:02:57 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: All

Other than he wants their vote, OBAMA HAS NO USE FOR GUN-TOTING, CHURCH-GOING WHITE MEN.

My question: Just what does the Obama presidency hold for this demographic? If you can answer that question, then you will know how they will vote.


26 posted on 10/19/2008 2:08:12 PM PDT by Madeleine Ward (.)
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To: neverdem
“I am convinced that if there were no Fox News, I might be two or three points higher in the polls,” Obama told me. “If I were watching Fox News, I wouldn’t vote for me, right? Because the way I’m portrayed 24/7 is as a freak! I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?

That is exactly who you are. You worry about the price of arugula at Whole Foods. If you weren't who you were, but rather some kind of centrist Democrat who the bitter clingers of Pennsylvania and Ohio could relate to, then you'd probably be up by 15 points. But America knows who you are, and it doesn't like you.
27 posted on 10/19/2008 2:13:21 PM PDT by Harry Wurzbach (Joe The Plumber & Rep. Thaddeus McCotter are my heroes.)
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To: austinaero

Media whores are reality show wannabes looking to hit the lotto: anchor desk, where you wear your sportscoat and fake tie over shorts and nikes.


28 posted on 10/19/2008 2:17:35 PM PDT by combat_boots (From the Bush Derangement Syndrome(TM) to the 0bama Worship Cult in which NOTHING matters. USSKKKA)
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To: southernerwithanattitude
I love that video! Thats the first time I’ve seen it.

The time is short.
Email it to everyone you know.

29 posted on 10/19/2008 2:20:28 PM PDT by XR7
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To: neverdem

NFW!


30 posted on 10/19/2008 2:26:55 PM PDT by imahawk (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: neverdem
...Webb said. “But I don’t talk about his positions, and I don’t defend his positions.” When I commented that Webb wasn’t where Obama was on gun rights...

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“...just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can’t constrain the exercise of that right...”
Barack Obama, 2008 Philadelphia primary debate

Forget gun-toting, churchgoing white guys, no one in their right mind would vote for Obama!

31 posted on 10/19/2008 2:30:01 PM PDT by jan in Colorado (For Barack Hussein Obama TRUTH FILE see my homepage!)
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To: Reagan69

“Where are the 527’s-???” “NRA, Right t6o Life,etc.”

The same place the $200 Million that was supposedly available to the McCain Campaign, the RNC and the NRA to spend during the last three weeks of the campaign!


32 posted on 10/19/2008 2:35:41 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: neverdem

The mere fact that they are using racist, stereotypical terms for white Amercians means this is a race about race. And, no, I did not vote for the skinny little black racist kid.


33 posted on 10/19/2008 2:41:06 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: neverdem
“Will gun-toting, churchgoing white guys pull the lever for Barack Obama?”

No they won't.As much as McCain angers me at times with his foolish comments I'd much rather have him than that communist Obama running the United States.

34 posted on 10/19/2008 3:07:51 PM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: XR7

Thanks for the link.


35 posted on 10/19/2008 3:08:56 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: neverdem
re headline:

Hell NO!

36 posted on 10/19/2008 3:28:48 PM PDT by tomkat (click for American craftsmanship !)
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To: neverdem

No, they won’t.
American Rifleman absolutely devastated the democratic ticket in this month’s magazine. We’ve already distributed copies of it to people we know who are on the fence.


37 posted on 10/19/2008 3:48:48 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Kill the revenue stream - do not give hits to Leftist supporting websites)
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To: MarkT

Bravo from another knuckle dragger from the other side of the tracks.


38 posted on 10/19/2008 4:57:16 PM PDT by mcshot (Bitterly Loving God, Family, and Guns more then ever. The Constitution Dammit.)
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To: MarkT
.....albeit with an Ivy League education on an undergraduate and graduate level, for which I am mortified...

Why? Hell, I'm PROUD of you! Some folks might say that the kind of intense liberal indoctrination you suffered all those years might have doomed you to the dark side irretrievably. You found your way from the darkness to the light, maybe others will too. Besides, other than the left wing brain washing on social issues (even the University of Alabama -- MY alma mater--gets that) an Ivy League education is still top drawer creds for a great job.

39 posted on 10/20/2008 3:13:47 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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