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Test shows Ayers penned Obama's 'Dreams'
World Net Daily ^ | October 19, 2008 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 10/19/2008 6:25:14 PM PDT by MountainLoop

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To: afortiori
Do you know if anyone has yet asked Obama directly about what role, if any, Ayers had in Dreams?

Yeah. His name is Dan Rather.

21 posted on 10/19/2008 6:59:38 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: MountainLoop

Very interesting! I hope this gets some traction.

I also think a little more should come out on Ayers. Someone posted a link to videos of some of Ayers’ former WU buddies, one of whom had apparently genuinely reformed and was horrified by the group he had been part of. He said that he had his moment of realization when, in the aftermath of Kent State, the radicals somehow thought they were really going to take over the US government. They were planning to divide the country up to be occupied by various allies of theirs (Communist Vietnam, China, Cuba, etc.) and then to open “reeducation camps” in the Southwestern deserts.

They estimated that millions of Americans would be sent there, and of those millions, about 25 million would be so resistant to reeducation that they would have to be “eliminated.” The former WU member asked, “You mean, killed?” and had his own personal wake up call when he realized that was exactly what they meant. He said, “here are all these people, maybe 25-30 people, all of them with graduate degrees and the best education in the country, sitting around calmly talking about killing 25 million Americans.” People need to hear more things like that to understand exactly how evil Ayers is and how evil is his puppet, Obama.


22 posted on 10/19/2008 7:00:57 PM PDT by livius
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To: PaleoBob

Regarding the end game...I do not believe most Americans even those blindly following Obama’s lies, want America to end. I believe at least 70% of us still love this country. I also believe we have been silent and tolerant and have not yet spoken but if we have to we will.

If it comes to it, I won’t be siding with the arabs.


23 posted on 10/19/2008 7:02:09 PM PDT by johnnycap
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To: attiladhun2
Chris Buckley can go take a flying leap. I don't know if he is
connected with NR, but if so, and if you have a subscription,
then CANCEL it immediately.


Uh...I think that Chris Buckley aired his man-crush with Obama.
THEN after there was noise about it, he submitted his letter of
resignation to managment (Rich Lowry?).

And suprise, suprise, suprise, NR accepted his resignation and
sent him packing.

At least that's my (probably imperfect) recollection of the controversy.
24 posted on 10/19/2008 7:04:00 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Valpal1

I read that to and I think Buckley will be very horrified at what his new buddy Barrack will want to do.


25 posted on 10/19/2008 7:07:26 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Question_Assumptions

LOL! You beat me to it!


26 posted on 10/19/2008 7:09:22 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: All

It makes sense the radicals would be searching for an acceptable avatar to extend their reach. Seeing Clinton last eight years in office must have been very encouraging. But they needed a new figure, non-white, international, ready to break with traditional American nationalism. Hillary would not do. Obama was a better choice for them.


27 posted on 10/19/2008 7:10:51 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: MountainLoop
His related story in American Thinker:

Evidence Mounts: Ayers Co-Wrote Obama's Dreams

28 posted on 10/19/2008 7:13:17 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: VOA

They did the right thing. Buckley is obviously no conservative. He is in a position to know good and well Obama is a straight-up Marxist.


29 posted on 10/19/2008 7:13:24 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (Obama is the anti-Reagan, instead of opposing the world's tyrants, he wants to embrace them)
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To: livius

It doesn’t surprise me at all the people with graduate degrees would calmy talk about killing 25 million. University professors were some of the most committed supporters of the Nazi regime, and in the 20s and 30s college professors here and abroad had what amounted to school-girl crushes over Lenin and Stalin, which continued even after news of mountains of corpses produced by Soviet regime were revealed.


30 posted on 10/19/2008 7:21:49 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (Obama is the anti-Reagan, instead of opposing the world's tyrants, he wants to embrace them)
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To: MountainLoop

Quidado America!


31 posted on 10/19/2008 7:26:52 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: attiladhun2

I am most certainly NOT going to cancel my subscription. I want to read the mea culpa when it comes (and it is, I am sure of that).


32 posted on 10/19/2008 7:44:23 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Always be prepared to make that difference.)
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To: MountainLoop
Heck, even the Apollo mission quarantine trailer story is fabrication. Any decent timeline point this out.

According to Wikipedia entries: (Mother, Jr, Sr, Splashdown)
Barak's birthday is Aug 4th, 1961.
Parents separated in '63, divorced in, 64.
Mother remarried and moved with Barak Jr to Jakarta in '67.
Barak returned from Jakarta in 71. (Age 10) [Assuming August '71]
Sees father once more at age 10. [Picture on Sr's Wikipedia page suggests Christmas '71]
Mother returned from Jakarta in 72.

Checking NASA's information on the quarantine trailers; they were only used on Apollo 11, 12, and 14 missions; which were July '69, November '69 and February 71.

So:
Barack Jr/Sr were togther for when Jr was 0,1,2 and 10. Hardly times for "first memories". [Usually begin at age 4.]
Barak Jr was in Jakarta during all three lunar landings that used quarantine trailers.
Even if Barak Jr was in Hawaii for these Apollo landings, at two weeks shy of his 8th birthday, he would have been to big to sit on his grandfather's shoulders.
And even if you try to replace Lolo Soetoro for Barak Sr, that definitely predates the lunar landing missions, and most of those had splashdowns in the Atlantic.

33 posted on 10/19/2008 8:13:50 PM PDT by mlstier ("The Right to Privacy does not trump the Right to Life" -- Bill O'Reilly)
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To: MountainLoop

Someone posed an interesting question the other day - in the original printing of Dreams, who is listed on the dedication page?


34 posted on 10/19/2008 8:15:55 PM PDT by itsthejourney (1 of every 10 people you pass in the mall is here illegally)
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To: MountainLoop

I wanted to get to the bottom of who Ayres really was and how he thought so I checked out “Fugitive Days” from the U of L Library. I managed to choke down half of it this past weekend. In literary terms it sucked. I have had better reads come from the sides of cereal boxes.

A few things jumped out at me:

1) Ayres preoccupation with sex. Every chapter either describes or alludes to a sexual act. Now, I’m not a prude, but I prefer the more tasteful stylings of someone like Hemingway or Kerouac, subtle and alluring. Ayres laces his book with overt sexual overtones and illicit affairs that consume at least 1/3 of the book. I know it was the 60’s but gees.

2) On page 14, the first three paragraphs of the new section stood out like red flags. In these paragraphs Ayres recalls the times when he would change his younger brother’s soiled diaper, the situation that would “arise” and how he dealt with said situation. This would not have been so bad if he did not seem to harbor some strange sort of affection described in the following paragraphs. He concludes by stating, “He knew how to keep a secret. Maybe I’m stretching but I was under the distinct impression that something other than normal affection to a sibling had developed.

3) On page 38, 3 paragraphs into the new chapter I read something that sounded extremely familiar;

“The fraternity wasn’t a good fit either, the Beta house being a lot like the prep school I’ just escaped - a crowd of hroney boys all living willingly in a [ now get this] a culture of clinging [ click ] mindless conventionality...”

That to me sounded a whole lot like the “Bitter Clinger” comment made by Obama earlier this spring. Could it be that this phrase is just symptomatic of the lefts loathing of Middle America, or could this be a phrase that the big 0 just happened to pick up from his mentor and incorporated into shtick.

4) Ayres is a typical liberal. The only things that make his different from the millions of other run of the mill leftists out there are his willingness to resort to violence and his relationship with O. He is from a white, privileged background who fell in with Marx in prep school out of a desire to rebel. This fascination with the counter culture was fostered and nurtured during his short stint in college, and eventually took the early form of action as a community organizer.

Points 2 & 3 troubled me the most. Something about that incident from Ayres’ youth was particularly troubling. Yes, it may be irrelevant to in connecting the former terrorists to Sen. Obama, but it provides the general sense of creepiness that just oozes from Ayres’ being. From what I have read Ayres’ would appear to be a sexual deviant determined to overthrow the existing order so as to justify and normalize his past and quite possibly present, sexual behavior.

As for the attempt to connect the writing of Obama’s “Dreams” to Ayres... I can’t speak to that; I have ever bothered to read the big O’s tome. However I do find the correlation with sentiments stated by Ayres in “Fugitive Days” to things Obama has alluded to and statements he has made, the “Bitter Clinger” comments being the most blatant. True this is part of the malady effecting the great masses of the unwashed, as often diagnosed by those enlightened few on the radical left, but the similarity in sentiment and the choice of the word “clinging’ seemed to me to be more than just coincidental.

..... Just some thoughts and observations.


35 posted on 10/19/2008 8:23:14 PM PDT by BluegrassBlogger (Do your part to turn out the vote!!!!!)
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To: MountainLoop
Ayers penned this speech too, obviously.
36 posted on 10/19/2008 8:36:50 PM PDT by Dick Holmes
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To: MountainLoop

I met an ex-cultist a while back who did some textual analysis on the cult’s main book. Turns out, it was written by someone unexpected, and edited by someone else.

The algorithms in play can spot a divergence in writing style from one sentence to the next.

I am glad Cashill is on this, and not letting go.


37 posted on 10/19/2008 8:42:25 PM PDT by ROTB (Our Constitution [is] for a [Christian] people. It is wholly inadequate [for] any other. -John Adams)
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To: MountainLoop; LucyT; Calpernia; AuntB; Salena Zito; Kevmo; PhilDragoo; potlatch; TomasUSMC; ...

PING PING PING PING

A**hole is so busted


38 posted on 10/19/2008 11:18:21 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: SpaceBar
"...Obama = Ayers’ sock puppet..."

Osama is more likely to be Mayou Daly's sock puppet ................ FRegards

39 posted on 10/19/2008 11:20:30 PM PDT by gonzo ("Shall Not Be Infringed" - use it now! While you still can ... FRegards)
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To: livius; All
"He said, “here are all these people, maybe 25-30 people, all of them with graduate degrees and the best education in the country, sitting around calmly talking about killing 25 million Americans.” People need to hear more things like that to understand exactly how evil Ayers is and how evil is his puppet, Obama."

The leaders of the Khmer Rouge, Pol Pot and pals, studied in Paris and became "revolutionary communists" who went on to their infamous careers of genocide back home in Cambodia. Everyone with "bourgeois" tendencies even suspected had to be eliminated (wearing eyeglasses was enough to mark a person for death, how ironic coming from supposedly bookish "intellectuals").

I had never heard about WU talking about such large-scale massacres and "re-education" camps but it fits with everything else about people who style themselves "revolutionary communists" of whatever ilk, whether they worship Lenin or Trotsky or Stalin or Mao or Castro or Che or all of the above.

40 posted on 10/19/2008 11:28:26 PM PDT by Enchante (America: has Obama told you about his "New Party" that sought to spread SOCIALISM??)
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