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Court to decide if illegal immigrants' use of Social Security numbers is ID theft
Arizona Daily Star ^
| 10-20-08
| Associated Press
Posted on 10/20/2008 12:15:43 PM PDT by engrpat
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If the court should rule that stealing and using someone else's SSN isn't ID theft then we better come up with something to takes its place real fast.
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posted on
10/20/2008 12:15:43 PM PDT
by
engrpat
To: engrpat
This question needs a court to decide?? Scary stuff.
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posted on
10/20/2008 12:17:44 PM PDT
by
Las Vegas Ron
(Election '08, the year McCain defined the word "dilemma")
To: engrpat
I thought this was Scrappleface at first.
To: Las Vegas Ron
How bout we start executing illegal immigrants? Ya think that would stop the problem?
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posted on
10/20/2008 12:19:26 PM PDT
by
Edizzl79
To: engrpat
What else would it be?
That social security number of mine is what the government recognizes me as. To them I am xxx.xx.xxxx. How could using that number not be stealing my identity?
I am quickly losing confidence in our justice system. This matter should be cut and dried, settled nearly a hundred years ago, or when the SS numbers first started being issued.
Chaos is what this is, pure and simple.
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posted on
10/20/2008 12:20:07 PM PDT
by
DoughtyOne
(Is Obamanation what our founding fathers, our fallen men in combat, and Ronald Reagan had in mind?)
To: engrpat
Ignorance isn’t a viable excuse when actual citizens break the law, so it shouldn’t be an excuse that an invader can use either.
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posted on
10/20/2008 12:20:15 PM PDT
by
subterfuge
(BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
To: engrpat
This seems to be an analogue to this:
If agents found that an illegal who was caught in a sweep had murdered someone, they couldn’t try him on murder in addition to the immigration issue?
Why should the Court need to take this case? Of course other crimes can be tried. Americans are tried for other side issues all the time.
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posted on
10/20/2008 12:20:19 PM PDT
by
ConservativeMind
(The LA Times, 10/6/08, was told to cut "75 editorial positions." How many are needed for 2 pages?)
To: engrpat
The Supreme Court agreed Monday to decide whether people picked up on immigration violations also can face charges of identity theft if they use Social Security and other identification numbers that belong to others. Doesn't this seem like a "no-brainer" to the rest of y'all?
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posted on
10/20/2008 12:20:19 PM PDT
by
ninergold3
(By Election Day I'll Be An Anorexic/Alcoholic. . .Stress Sucks!)
To: engrpat
I guess if you are an American citizen, it is ID theft. But if you are an illegal alien, no problem. What’s so hard about this decision? The illegals like to claim they have rights in this country yet they squeal like pigs when the law is applied to them equally.
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posted on
10/20/2008 12:21:02 PM PDT
by
kabar
To: engrpat
"including many who were arrested in raids on meatpacking plants."
Oh no! Not meatpacking plants!
Lamh Foistenach Abu!
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posted on
10/20/2008 12:21:14 PM PDT
by
ConorMacNessa
(HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Peregrine, patron saint of cancer patients, pray for us.)
To: engrpat
Duh, will they also decide whether or not liquid water is wet?
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posted on
10/20/2008 12:23:01 PM PDT
by
rfp1234
(Phodopus campbelli: household ruler since July 2007.)
To: engrpat
If the court should rule that stealing and using someone else's SSN isn't ID theft then we better come up with something to takes its place real fast.
If the court rules that ID Fraud by an Illegal Alien is OK, maybe it is time to push the "Reset" button A.K.A 2nd Amendment.
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posted on
10/20/2008 12:23:06 PM PDT
by
SoConPubbie
(GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
To: engrpat
No doubt the ruling will be 5-4 for or against, depending on whether Anthony Kennedy is having a bad hair day.
To: engrpat
Ok. An American citizen can get someones SS number and commit fraud in that persons name, and they are almost certain to spend some time in a Federal Pen. But the SC has to determine if an illegal allien’s theft meets the same standard? The Founding Fathers are probably rolling in their grave for the one millionth time with our studpity.
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posted on
10/20/2008 12:23:42 PM PDT
by
The South Texan
(The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
To: engrpat
How is it not? What else would it be?
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posted on
10/20/2008 12:24:03 PM PDT
by
mockingbyrd
(When I say Obama. You say Ayers.....Obama! Ayers!)
To: engrpat
Ignacio Carlos Flores-Figueroa, a Mexican national, worked ... under an assumed name, and false Social Security and alien registration numbers. Perhaps he was getting tired of going by Julie Sinclair and didn't realize what he was doing was illegal. /s
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posted on
10/20/2008 12:24:09 PM PDT
by
HarleyD
To: ninergold3
To be devil’s advocate...what if I just made up a SS number and put it on an application?? How can I be charged with ID theft without someone proving that I new the person that the number actually belonged if I made it up in my head? Under that scenario, if I filled in some web form and used a fake email address and it turned out to be a real address of someone else, I would be a criminal??? Not quite.
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posted on
10/20/2008 12:24:14 PM PDT
by
LetsRok
To: engrpat
“Defense lawyers have argued that their clients should not be charged with stealing someone elses identity because the immigrants only were seeking documentation that would allow them to work. They didnt know if the numbers were fictitious or belonged to someone else, their lawyers say.”
Okay, charge them with falsifying official documents, a felony.
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posted on
10/20/2008 12:26:07 PM PDT
by
Blood of Tyrants
(G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat. And so is Obama.)
To: engrpat
What part of "that belong to others" does someone not ubnderstand?
Lawyers have done more to harm this country than illegals, liberals, the Japanese and german Military, and the British army combined.
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posted on
10/20/2008 12:26:25 PM PDT
by
nufsed
To: Tennessee Nana; AuntB; raybbr; TADSLOS; calcowgirl; 3AngelaD
S-o-o-o-o-o.........you thought you heard it all WRT illegals.........
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posted on
10/20/2008 12:26:27 PM PDT
by
Liz
(Taxpayer: one who works for the govt but doesn't have to take a civil service test. R. Reagan.)
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