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Since Assault Weapons Ban Lifted, At Least 163 Dead, 185 Wounded, 15 Police Officers Dead, 23...
Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence ^ | Oct 9, 2008 | NA

Posted on 10/20/2008 12:45:08 PM PDT by neverdem

Since Assault Weapons Ban Lifted, At Least 163 Dead, 185 Wounded, 15 Police Officers Dead, 23 Wounded

To: NATIONAL EDITORS

Contact: Peter Hamm of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, +1-202-898-0792

WASHINGTON, Oct. 9 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- In the four years since the federal assault weapons ban expired on September 15, 2004, at least 163 people have been killed and 185 wounded with military-style semiautomatic assault weapons, including at least 38 police officers killed or wounded, according to a report being issued today by the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

Restrictions on assault weapons, which drew support from Presidents Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush, have been addressed by both major candidates for President: "Senator Barack Obama has stated as recently as his convention acceptance speech that it is imperative that criminals be denied the use of assault weapons," the report says. "Senator John McCain, who has opposed the NRA on gun shows and other issues, has been firm in his opposition to an assault weapon ban."

The report outlines how the availability of assault weapons has altered the balance of power on urban streets between police and criminals, endangering police officers and causing a growing number of police departments to use assault weapons to match the firepower they face. The report also explores the ties between terrorism and assault weapons.

"Our communities are less safe today than they were four years ago, when devastating weapons like AK-47s were not as easily available to thugs and other dangerous people," said Paul Helmke, President of the Brady Center. "We urge policymakers to take action now to get these weapons off the streets."

The Brady Center report is entitled Mass Produced Mayhem, a phrase used by federal law enforcement officials to describe the guns back...

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FIREARM INJURY IN THE U.S.

From Table 1. Firearm Deaths in 2003

Total Firearm Deaths 30,136

Homicides 11,920 (39.6%)

IIRC, firarm homicides were about 14,000 last year. So total firearm homicides were about 50,000 since the end of the ban. You would need at least 500 dead from so called "assault weapons" to make one percent. This figure of 163 killed is about one third of one percent. Is this supposed to be significant?

P.S. Printer friendly was not reader friendly. You had to keep scrolling right and left in an oversized format for the Brady gang's story.

1 posted on 10/20/2008 12:45:10 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Mr. Brady, do you mean to tell me that NO ONE was killed by such weapons when the ban was in place?


2 posted on 10/20/2008 12:47:28 PM PDT by weegee (In honor of Joe the Plumber, at noon, we should all lower our trousers to half mast.)
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To: neverdem

Maybe they should just make murder illegal. Oh wait.


3 posted on 10/20/2008 12:48:31 PM PDT by Unkosified (Sarah has always been proud to be an American. Michelle wasn't proud of America until 2008.)
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To: neverdem

How many of these people were killed in gun free zones? I’m guessing more than half.


4 posted on 10/20/2008 12:49:09 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( God doesn't wear a wristwatch.)
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To: neverdem

It would be useful to know what the prior four year period tally was. Also, since there was no mention made about who committed these killings, it must be assumed that they were not done by law abiding citizens but criminals who would have committed the crimes anyway and probably with the same assult weapons. More drival from the Brady Center and promoted by the MSM.


5 posted on 10/20/2008 12:50:16 PM PDT by MarkT
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To: neverdem

Every weapon is an assault weapon.............


6 posted on 10/20/2008 12:50:24 PM PDT by Red Badger (My wallet is made out of depleted you-owe-mium........)
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To: neverdem

Since it is only 210 or so people, including 38 cops, I’d like a list of those names so we can check.


7 posted on 10/20/2008 12:51:50 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: neverdem

This won’t be a problem under, “The One”, expect a knock on the door.


8 posted on 10/20/2008 12:52:17 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: smokingfrog

How many were killed in accidents?

How many were killed with weapons that were available while the ban was in effect? (My FAL was legal is I used an american made magazine!)


9 posted on 10/20/2008 12:52:17 PM PDT by xmission (WHERE THE HELL IS JOHN GALT?)
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To: neverdem

Here it comes again...

One veto away..
One supreme court justice away..
One Dem supermajority in Congress away..


10 posted on 10/20/2008 12:52:45 PM PDT by rahbert
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To: neverdem
How many people died in hospitals at the hands of Doctors and nurses?

How many people died in car wrecks?

How many people died of cuts from knives?

How many died from yard equipment, bathtub accidents, bicycle wrecks, etc?

11 posted on 10/20/2008 12:53:44 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (NOBAMA - it is for our future)
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To: neverdem

***military-style semiautomatic assault weapons,***

I wasn’t aware that the military was using semiautomatic weapons. I thought they were full auto.


12 posted on 10/20/2008 12:53:44 PM PDT by irishtenor (Check out my blog at http://boompa53.blogspot.com/)
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To: MarkT

Since abortion lifted, 50 million dead!


13 posted on 10/20/2008 12:54:31 PM PDT by weegee (In honor of Joe the Plumber, at noon, we should all lower our trousers to half mast.)
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To: neverdem

How many of the same criminals would have done the same killings with either same or different weapon even if the “AW ban” were in place? How many deadly criminals really have much trouble getting ahold of firearms if they want to do so?


14 posted on 10/20/2008 12:54:44 PM PDT by Enchante (America: has Obama told you about his "New Party" that sought to spread SOCIALISM??)
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To: neverdem

Great stats, Brady Center.

While you’re spewing them out, what’s the racial/ethnic/national origin/immigration status of the people using these awful weapons to commit these horrible crimes?

Just curious.

What’s the old saying “Statistics are like a string bikini-what they reveal is considerable, but what they conceal is crucial”.


15 posted on 10/20/2008 12:54:48 PM PDT by Mac from Cleveland (Joe Biden behind a microphone is like Ted Kennedy behind a steering wheel)
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To: weegee

abortion BAN lifted...


16 posted on 10/20/2008 12:54:49 PM PDT by weegee (In honor of Joe the Plumber, at noon, we should all lower our trousers to half mast.)
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To: neverdem

I hear ACORN compiles statistics for the Brady Bunch.


17 posted on 10/20/2008 12:55:17 PM PDT by ReeseBN38416
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To: FreeAtlanta

When I was doing a thesis on weapons bans, I found that Scotland was considering a ban on kitchen knives, because THAT is now the weapon of choice due to guns being banned.


18 posted on 10/20/2008 12:55:48 PM PDT by irishtenor (Check out my blog at http://boompa53.blogspot.com/)
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To: neverdem
This is a red herring.....So the semi-autos looked different than my semi-autos?

Big deal...!!

The whole point of Barack Obama and the other Marxist Socialist Leftist's is to frame the argument to demonize ALL guns.......

I know it...and any thinking person knows it.

It's the same old thing...over and over again....

Symbolism over substance.

Period.

19 posted on 10/20/2008 12:56:00 PM PDT by Osage Orange (" I did not have radical relations with that man, William Ayers. " -Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: neverdem

Do these stats include Sarah Brady’s attempt to illegally purchase a long gun for her underage son?


20 posted on 10/20/2008 12:57:05 PM PDT by RightGuy
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To: neverdem

You have to remember that an “assault weapon” includes ANY handgun that can accept a magazine that will hold more than 10 rounds of ammo. But Brady wants you to think that people are out there running around with “disposable AK-47’s” gunning people down right and left.


21 posted on 10/20/2008 12:57:32 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat. And so is Obama.)
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To: irishtenor

I can do alot more damage with my Lumina than I can with my AK.


22 posted on 10/20/2008 12:57:34 PM PDT by Edizzl79
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To: neverdem
How many killed in 4 years before it was lifted?
23 posted on 10/20/2008 12:58:04 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: neverdem

Encouraged by the potential that Obama will be the next President, the Brady gang is already starting to flex their muscles. The mere fact that terrorists and other criminals will NEVER turn in their guns, means that WE need to be able to defend ourselves against them! This is one of the things that I hate the most about liberals. They want to control us! They can kiss my red, white and blue American, whatever. lol.. They are NOT getting my guns. Assault or otherwise. They will be reported as stolen before the ink dries on that ban.


24 posted on 10/20/2008 12:58:06 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (FAITH IS DARING THE SOUL TO GO BEYOND WHAT THE EYES CAN SEE.)
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To: Edizzl79

I was shooting a semiauto .22 rifle when I was a little sprout. About 45 years ago.


25 posted on 10/20/2008 12:59:08 PM PDT by irishtenor (Check out my blog at http://boompa53.blogspot.com/)
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To: irishtenor

Exactly. These are semi-automatic rifles, NOT assault weapons, which are fully automatic.

I wonder how many cops were killed in high-speed pursuits these past four years?

How many cops were murdered with their own weapons after a criminal or group of criminals wrested the officer’s firearm away from him during a fight?

I also wonder how many civilians were saved when they used one of these weapons to confront an armed intruder? There are no statistics when a citizen is saved, only when a citizen is murdered.


26 posted on 10/20/2008 1:00:24 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Sarah Palin is an American Margaret Thatcher. Sarah Palin is a female Ronald Reagan)
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To: neverdem

Of those 163 deaths, how many were at the hands of registered Democrats? I’m guessing near 100%. Thus, Democrats Kill.


27 posted on 10/20/2008 1:01:15 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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To: RightGuy

Her son was an adult and legally able to purchase the firearm. Sarah Brady made an illegal straw man purchase.


28 posted on 10/20/2008 1:02:28 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat. And so is Obama.)
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To: neverdem

Gosh, I didn’t realize that ‘repealing the assault weapons ban’ made it legal to go out and shot cops and other citizens???? So, apparently the law wasn’t doing much good when it came to getting criminals to follow it. Maybe if The Messiah tells the gangs not to kill people they will listen to him - after all, aren’t gangs just ‘community organizers’???


29 posted on 10/20/2008 1:02:52 PM PDT by bpjam (FREE Sarah Palin!!! FREE Sarah Palin!!!)
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To: neverdem

163 people have been killed and 185 wounded with military-style semiautomatic assault weapons,

ANY WEAPON IS AN ASSAULT WEAPON IF IT IS USED TO ASSAULT HUMAN BEINGS..
THESE PEOPLE ARE JUST MORONS THAT PLAY WITH WORDS TO GET THEIR OWN WAY.
Military Automatic Assault Weapons ARE ILLEGAL in this Country...


30 posted on 10/20/2008 1:03:08 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Vote FOR AMERICA . Vote McCain / Palin)
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To: neverdem

I wonder how many of these deaths and injuries were bad guys being shot in self defense by a homeowner? The article doesn’t indicate that perps are not included in the total.


31 posted on 10/20/2008 1:03:30 PM PDT by zacharycole
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To: Unkosified

Maybe they should just make murder illegal. Oh wait.

NOW.. Be nice. You are dealing with silly children when you are dealing with the gun haters...........


32 posted on 10/20/2008 1:04:37 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Vote FOR AMERICA . Vote McCain / Palin)
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To: weegee

“Since abortion lifted, 50 million dead!”

Yeah man...maybe we should ban saline, too???!


33 posted on 10/20/2008 1:05:11 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (I'm Mike the RN!( I often do plumbing of a different sort))
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To: neverdem
In the four years since the federal assault weapons ban expired on September 15, 2004, at least 163 people have been killed and 185 wounded with military-style semiautomatic assault weapons, including at least 38 police officers killed or wounded, according to a report being issued today by the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

How many suffered a similar fate in the 4 years preceding the lifting of the (constitutionally-abhorent) AWB? How many in the 4 years preceding its implementation in '94?

C'mon, morons, compare apples to apples.

And, in any case, I'm not giving up my apples until you pry them FMCDH. MOLON LABE!!!!!

34 posted on 10/20/2008 1:06:38 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obamination from becoming President)
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To: neverdem

What a crock! The so-called “BAN” written by Chucky Cheese was a literal farce in that NOT A SINGLE FIREARM listed was prevented from being legally sold. Remember, at the time of the passage of this worthless piece of political propaganda, there was more than a ten-year supply of the weapons stock-piled, all of which were ALLOWED to be sold per the legislation. This sham didn’t BAN anything and it simply ended on its “expiration date” with nary a whimper.


35 posted on 10/20/2008 1:07:15 PM PDT by RightGuy
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To: neverdem

A presss release direct from the source. At least it was presented as such. Later this evening, I suspect the TV news will turn this into a feature story. They’d like to be in charge. Justice dept., maybe?


36 posted on 10/20/2008 1:07:24 PM PDT by Skid Marx
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To: neverdem
Deceptive advertising.
The liars at the Brady Bunch leave the reader to assume that the number killed with so-called “military-style semiautomatic assault weapons” was zero during the ban. This was certainly not the case.
I suspect that, statistically, there is no difference in the percent of victims harmed by criminals using “military-style semiautomatic assault weapons” during the ban, before it, and after it. Of course, the Brady bunch would never break it down that way - unless the statistics helped their evil cause.
Also, doesn't the Brady Bunch count shootings in self defense as homicides?
37 posted on 10/20/2008 1:08:45 PM PDT by Little Ray (Joe the Plumber. He's our only hope... God help him.)
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To: neverdem
Take out the top ten cities for murder (all Democrat,all for like 100 years) and the US is as safe as Switzerland.
38 posted on 10/20/2008 1:10:53 PM PDT by Leisler (Ayers, Obama at Columbia University in 1982.)
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To: Red Badger

“Every weapon is an assault weapon.............”

The Assault Weapons Ban was known in gun circles as the “Ugly Gun Ban”. Meaning that in functionality there was little or no difference between those semi-autos defined as an assult weapon and those that were not.


39 posted on 10/20/2008 1:11:41 PM PDT by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: neverdem

I am so tired of the misstatement of facts & etc. Yeah, it’s easier to get an AK-47 now, right. Do they have any idea of what one is? Or the fact that a real full-auto AK is, was and will be illegal (aside from a select few which cost $$$$+)?

And of course there’s the whole deal of the gang-bangers not caring what’s legal and all that. Feel-good activism.

We need to teach these people to shoot - the bad guys. Take a liberal schmuck by the nose and lead ‘im to the gun range. We must educate the ignorant masses.


40 posted on 10/20/2008 1:14:05 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Brady wants you to think that people are out there running around with “disposable AK-47’s” gunning people down right and left.

Mine ain't disposable.

Sucker cost me almost five hundred bucks!

41 posted on 10/20/2008 1:14:50 PM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: neverdem

What they will NEVER tell you is that young black men are 11 times more likely to commit murder than whites. And their victims are 10 time more likely to be other blacks than whites. So there are about 1/6 as many young black males as young white males yet they are 11 times more dangerous?

The Baltimore sun published an interactive map that shows this disturbing trend that it is NOT a gun availability problem, but a demographic problem.

http://essentials.baltimoresun.com/micro_sun/homicides/


42 posted on 10/20/2008 1:19:44 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat. And so is Obama.)
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To: RightGuy

Is this a true story about Sara Brady?


43 posted on 10/20/2008 1:22:04 PM PDT by xmission (WHERE THE HELL IS JOHN GALT?)
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To: neverdem

GEEEEEZE , I didn’t see any stats on how many crimes , murders , etc. that these weapons have prevented . Imagine that . If Brady had been on the train with Ricky Gates I suppose he would want to ban Amtrac . People kill not guns .


44 posted on 10/20/2008 1:22:20 PM PDT by lionheart 247365 ((Socialism . . . a catalyst for apathy on the road to communism ))
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To: expatpat
Just taking a quick look, here is the number of officers killed in 2003&2004 with any kind of rifle: 23. In 2005&2006: 11.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2006/table27.html
I smell ample amounts of BS here and I think you found the motherlode - they omit the numbers during the ban intentionally to make a non-story. It's hard to duplicate their numbers without finding out what carefully chosen criteria they selected to define "assault rifle," but aggregate rile statistics tell the story.
45 posted on 10/20/2008 1:23:26 PM PDT by messierhunter
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The Baltimore sun published an interactive map that shows this disturbing trend that it is NOT a gun availability problem, but a demographic problem.

Yes they did, but they didn't mean to...

46 posted on 10/20/2008 1:24:01 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: neverdem

Oh yay yet another report from the Brady Campaign that is probably fraught with errors and falsehoods.


47 posted on 10/20/2008 1:24:17 PM PDT by Domandred (McWhathisname / Palin - 2008)
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To: neverdem

What percentage of these “military style” homicides were accidental deaths or suicides in the the military and police? One must wonder.

Additionally, how many criminals killed by the police with “military style” weapons were there in these numbers?


48 posted on 10/20/2008 1:24:43 PM PDT by SampleMan (Community Organizer: What liberals do when they run out of college, before they run out of Marxism.)
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To: Edizzl79

“”””I can do alot more damage with my Lumina than I can with my AK””””

You should spend more time on the range man, unless you own Alaska.


49 posted on 10/20/2008 1:25:10 PM PDT by Lazlar
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To: Blood of Tyrants

You are correct, her son was of age and could have attempted to legally purchase the firearm himself rather than Mom Sarah illegally making the straw man purchase.


50 posted on 10/20/2008 1:31:28 PM PDT by RightGuy
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