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CA: Tom McClintock on the Propositions
Tom McClintock Website ^ | October 18th, 2008 | Tom McClintock

Posted on 10/20/2008 8:53:46 PM PDT by calcowgirl

Prop. 1A High Speed Rail Bond.  NO
This is the most outrageously expensive boondoggle in California’s long history of outrageously expensive boondoggles.  The ultimate cost of this project could end up exceeding $90 billion – or $10,000 per family – all for a train that goes from Los Angeles to San Francisco in two hours longer than it takes to fly.  It’s brought to you by the same folks who botched Boston’s “Big Dig.”  (I’m one of the official opponents of this measure.)

Prop. 2 Farm Animals.  NO
Sorry, but farm animals are food, not friends.  Plan on somewhat happier cows and much higher grocery bills if this one passes.

Prop. 3 Hospital Bond. NO
Here’s a rather cynical measure that uses children as a front in order to lavish taxpayer funds on private hospital corporations.

Prop. 4 Parental Notification.  YES
Parents must give written consent before their teenage daughters use a tanning booth or get their ears pierced.  This measure simply requires them to be notified if their daughter is having an abortion.

Prop. 5 Non-violent drug offenses.  NO
The fatal flaw in this otherwise decent measure would allow criminals to use their drug offense for leniency for other non-drug-related crimes.

Prop. 6 Police and Law Enforcement Funding. YES
This is a tough call.  My favorite provision is prohibiting the release on bail of illegal aliens charged with violent crimes.  Its principal purpose is to lock up an increasing portion of the state budget for local law enforcement.  Law enforcement should be government’s top priority, but I don’t like auto-pilot spending or using state resources for local programs.  I also don’t like its weakening of the hearsay rule.  On balance I think it does more good than harm, but it’s a very mixed bag.

Prop. 7 Renewable Energy Subsidies.  NO
This will send electricity prices through the roof.  It requires the most expensive energy generation to comprise 20 percent of our electricity needs.  Government should get out of the way and let simple economics determine the mix of energy generation in this state.

Prop. 8 Defense of Marriage Act. YES
Marriage is a unique institution in which a man and a woman summon a child into the world – creating a unique tapestry of responsibilities.  Our marriage laws are designed to support those responsibilities and are simply inapplicable to any other kind of relationship.  Lincoln asked, “If you call a tail a leg, how many legs has a dog?  The answer is four.  Calling a tail a leg doesn’t make it one.”  And calling a homosexual partnership a marriage doesn’t make it one.

Prop. 9 Parole Reform. YES
This requires the victim to be considered when a suspect’s bail is being set or a criminal’s parole is being determined.  About bloody time.

Prop. 10 Fuel Subsidies.  NO
This $5 billion bond will cost taxpayers $10 billion with interest to subsidize “alternative fuel vehicles” and “renewable energy.”  I’m all for alternative fuel vehicles and renewable energy as long as the consumers who want them pay for them.  But don’t reach into my pocket to pay for somebody else’s choice.

Prop. 11 Redistricting.  YES
This should be the all-time no brainer: voters should choose their politicians and not the other way around.  This measure takes redistricting out of the hands of the legislature, removing an obvious conflict of interest.

Prop. 12 Veterans Bond Act.  YES
This is a self-liquidating bond (meaning taxpayers aren’t on the hook) to assist veterans with home purchases.  The state has done this for many years and it has never cost taxpayers a dime.  I co-authored this one.

 



TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calinitiatives; mcclintock; prop11; prop4; prop6; prop8
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1 posted on 10/20/2008 8:53:47 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: CAluvdubya; liege; REDWOOD99; stillonaroll; Right Cal Gal; whinecountry; b9; antceecee; ...
PING!

McClintock Ping List.
Please freepmail me if you want on or off this list

Tom McClintock for Congress

2 posted on 10/20/2008 8:54:29 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: newzjunkey
Thanks for giving me the heads-up that Tom was going to post this.
The summary:

Prop. 1A High Speed Rail Bond.                NO
Prop. 2 Farm Animals.                         NO
Prop. 3 Hospital Bond.                        NO
Prop. 4 Parental Notification.               YES
Prop.5 Non-violent drug offenses.             NO
Prop. 6 Police and Law Enforcement Funding.  YES
Prop.7 Renewable Energy Subsidies.            NO
Prop. 8 Defense of Marriage Act.             YES
Prop. 9 Parole Reform.                       YES
Prop 10 Fuel Subsidies.                       NO
Prop 11 Redistricting.                       YES
Prop 12 Veterans Bond Act.                   YES

3 posted on 10/20/2008 8:55:43 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Thanks cowgirl! This helps make things easy.


4 posted on 10/20/2008 8:56:13 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (Woo-Hoo! Go Sarah!)
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To: calcowgirl
Prop. 11 Redistricting. YES

Schwarzenegger's wholesale endorsement of this makes me nervous.

5 posted on 10/20/2008 8:56:34 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: calcowgirl

My husband and I just did our absentee ballots and scored 100% with McClintock’s suggestions.


6 posted on 10/20/2008 8:57:24 PM PDT by mckenzie7 (Lib NO MORE!)
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To: calcowgirl

I think I only missed Prop 12...and I am a veteran!


7 posted on 10/20/2008 8:58:41 PM PDT by JRios1968 (Sarah Palin smash Hulk!)
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To: calcowgirl

it’s good design.


8 posted on 10/20/2008 8:58:43 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: calcowgirl

Very nice to have this. I’d add the animal one in as a yes, but keep the rest as McClintock says. It’s unhealthy to eat mistreated or sick animals.


9 posted on 10/20/2008 8:59:30 PM PDT by Yaelle (One candidate fought America's enemies and one candidate owes all he has to America's enemies)
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To: calcowgirl

I only disagree with prop 6

I read that the police unions want to attach their pay increases to the budget like education...

correct my please!


10 posted on 10/20/2008 8:59:43 PM PDT by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!)
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To: calcowgirl

that’s the way i voted!

i used the los angeles times as a guide—i voted opposite.


11 posted on 10/20/2008 9:00:01 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: calcowgirl
He's right on every one of them. Conservatives should vote accordingly. No to bonds, borrowing, subsidies for the green stuff and the high speed rail. Yes to parental notification, traditional marriage, victims' rights and competitive elections.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

12 posted on 10/20/2008 9:00:10 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: nickcarraway; CAluvdubya

I’m probably voting No on Prop 11. Same with Prop 6.

I definitely lean in Tom’s direction but don’t alwasy agree.


13 posted on 10/20/2008 9:00:15 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

I don’t agree with him on the animals, otherwise right on.


14 posted on 10/20/2008 9:01:06 PM PDT by Mjaye
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To: calcowgirl
Prop 6

http://calvoter.org/voter/elections/2008/general/props/prop6.html

15 posted on 10/20/2008 9:02:36 PM PDT by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!)
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To: calcowgirl

Copied and saved. Thanks for posting.


16 posted on 10/20/2008 9:02:53 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson (Barak Obama: Satan's sock-puppet)
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To: calcowgirl

Please add me to the McClintock list.


17 posted on 10/20/2008 9:03:29 PM PDT by The Californian
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To: Randy Larsen
I only disagree with prop 6 I read that the police unions want to attach their pay increases to the budget like education... correct my please!

Yeah... there is good stuff mixed with nasty stuff. The good does not outweigh the bad, IMO. I'm voting NO.

18 posted on 10/20/2008 9:07:01 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

After checking out who disagree with prop 6...

I aggree with Tom 100%


19 posted on 10/20/2008 9:07:46 PM PDT by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!)
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To: ken21
i used the los angeles times as a guide—i voted opposite.

ROFL! Classic!

you actually read that rag? ;-)

20 posted on 10/20/2008 9:07:57 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl
And what do you dislike about about taking redistricting out of the hands of the politicians who now choose their own voters every decade?

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

21 posted on 10/20/2008 9:08:30 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: The Californian

Done!


22 posted on 10/20/2008 9:09:19 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl
I no longer live in California. But I agree its usually a good idea to vote opposite the Los Angeles Times recommendations. More often than not, people just give them the finger.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

23 posted on 10/20/2008 9:11:02 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: calcowgirl

Cool, saves me some research.


24 posted on 10/20/2008 9:11:36 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: calcowgirl

Sounds good, but I may go Yes on 2 and No on 6, but I’m not sure yet. I still don’t get why you’d vote against 11, we lost Pombo because of their idiotic redistricting.


25 posted on 10/20/2008 9:16:07 PM PDT by rivercat
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To: Yaelle; Mjaye
I’d add the animal one in as a yes... It’s unhealthy to eat mistreated or sick animals.

If you think so, don't eat them. Buy free range.

This is but another law in California that will just drive the cost up or push production out of state--or out of country.

Next we'll only be able to purchase meat from Mexico. I'm sure that will be an improvement. /s

26 posted on 10/20/2008 9:16:33 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Yeeeeehaw Bump!

Thanks!


27 posted on 10/20/2008 9:18:59 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Who's Sane? Who's Sane? Who's Sane?)
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To: calcowgirl

After further review...I don’t trust prop 6!

I’ll vote no on prop 6!

Sorry for my back and forth, but I know I read somewhere on Calvoter that they whant to attach increases to a % of the budget! I can’t find it right now though...


28 posted on 10/20/2008 9:21:19 PM PDT by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!)
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selfping


29 posted on 10/20/2008 9:21:29 PM PDT by ER_in_OC,CA
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To: calcowgirl

I only eat free range or grass fed organic, true. You do have a point, I’ll grant you that, but I still might vote yes on that one.


30 posted on 10/20/2008 9:21:40 PM PDT by Yaelle (One candidate fought America's enemies and one candidate owes all he has to America's enemies)
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To: rivercat; ElkGroveDan; SierraWasp
we lost Pombo because of their idiotic redistricting.

They haven't redrawn the lines since 2000. Redistricting didn't lose him the race, IMO. He lost because he was targeted, nationwide, by the Democrats and got only nominal support from the moderate bunch of Pubbies that are supporting this redistricting effort.

BESIDES--THIS redistricting does NOT affect Congressional seats. It is for State offices only. Can you name a Assy or Sen district that was lost due to redistricting? Remember, all the leftist districts are still protected by the Voting Rights Act and maintaining "communities of interest."

31 posted on 10/20/2008 9:21:42 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Cool. Thanks for posting.


32 posted on 10/20/2008 9:22:12 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: calcowgirl

Please, Lord, more than anything, please let Prop 4 pass.


33 posted on 10/20/2008 9:23:35 PM PDT by papasmurf (I ain't your Daddy's Conservative, OK?)
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To: calcowgirl

Really? somehow I missed that, and I’ve read the actual proposition! What’s the point of only doing State offices? Ugh... We can always expect our idiot politicians to mess things up.
Pombo’s seat was put at risk when they redrew his district out into the Livermore Valley. When they didn’t knock him off the first time, then they went after him on a national scale.


34 posted on 10/20/2008 9:26:07 PM PDT by rivercat
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To: papasmurf

and 8!


35 posted on 10/20/2008 9:26:41 PM PDT by rivercat
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To: Randy Larsen
Here's the ballotpedia summary. In addition to saying this will cost AN ADDITIONAL $$$$ 1/2 BILLION per year $$$$, it says:
Proposition 6 would:

• Require new state spending on various criminal justice programs, as well as for increased costs for prison and parole operations. This funding would come from California's General Fund, reallocating funds currently spent on K-12 Education, Higher Education, Health and Human Services, Business, Transportation and Housing, and Environmental Protection [1]

• Deems any youth 14 years or older who is convicted of a gang-related felony as unfit for trial in a juvenile court and prosecuting these youths as adults.

• Necessitate that all occupants who are recipients of public housing subsidies submit to annual criminal background checks and lose housing if convicted of a recent crime.

• Increase penalties for several crimes, including violating gang injunctions, using or possessing to sell methamphetamine, or carrying loaded or concealed firearms by certain felons.

• Eliminate bail for illegal aliens charged with violent or gang-related felonies.

• Establish as a crime the act of removing or disabling a monitoring device affixed as part of a criminal sentence.

• Change evidence rules to allow use of certain hearsay statements as evidence when witnesses are unavailable.[2]

• Requires a majority vote to add

• Require a 3/4 vote to amend.


36 posted on 10/20/2008 9:27:26 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: rivercat
There is a group pushing redistricting that didn't like it when the California Congressmen (R) came out against it last year. They saw it for what it was--a move to snuff out conservatives. The proposition doesn't say that it doesn't include national offices, they are just absent from the description. Sneaky, huh?
Changes authority for establishing Assembly, Senate, and Board of Equalization district boundaries from elected representatives to 14 member commission.

37 posted on 10/20/2008 9:30:40 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Thank You!

Now I have to find out why I have the info I have!


38 posted on 10/20/2008 9:31:20 PM PDT by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!)
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To: calcowgirl

Bump!


39 posted on 10/20/2008 9:33:08 PM PDT by cdbull23 (What's going on in my brain? Check it out: www.cainsbrain.com)
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To: JRios1968
Though I suspect CalVet is one of the few state programs which actually earns some return on its investment.

My wife and I own a home through CalVet.

And I'd bet they weren't hit by this so-called mortgage crisis at all.

40 posted on 10/20/2008 9:34:27 PM PDT by onedoug ( Barracuda!)
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To: calcowgirl

Glad that McClintock agrees with me on 11.


42 posted on 10/20/2008 9:36:16 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: calcowgirl
On balance I think it does more good than harm, but it’s a very mixed bag

The use of this kind of stupid logic employed by politicians is how we end up with so much bad legislation fouling up all our lives.

43 posted on 10/20/2008 9:37:43 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: calcowgirl

Mixed bag is right. I couldn’t vote for that as it reads.

Does it look like it’s gonna pass?


44 posted on 10/20/2008 9:40:14 PM PDT by papasmurf (I ain't your Daddy's Conservative, OK?)
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To: calcowgirl

Prop 11 IS a no brainer.

It is a start toward a representative government. CA is unusual in having a government that hardly qualifies as a representative democracy. It is absurd that this has been allowed to happen.

The prop. has been written to be non-partisan, which is why is reads a bit oddly. However, there is little that CA has to lose over the terrible situation we are in now. We need more practical politicos in Sacto, who care about those in their districts.

I am sick of meeting with representatives who don’t care about the views of those in their districts. Currently, they answer to interest groups and party radicals; that’s all.

Vote YES on Prop. 11.


45 posted on 10/20/2008 9:41:41 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: calcowgirl
This is but another law in California that will just drive the cost up or push production out of state--or out of country.

I totally agree with your reason.

I also agree with McClintock except for 2 and 6.
46 posted on 10/20/2008 9:47:52 PM PDT by Ugot2Bkidding
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To: calcowgirl

Thanks for posting. I had checked his web site just a couple days ago to see what he had to say. It turns out that I only disagree on one proposition.

I feel that measure #6 is irresponsible in that it locks in spending. One of the biggest errors in California in recent years was the passage of the measure locking in spending on education. It has ham strung the budget making process during a time when revenue has been down and all spending should have been facing reductions.


47 posted on 10/20/2008 9:51:40 PM PDT by concentric circles
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To: calcowgirl

self-ping


48 posted on 10/20/2008 9:53:34 PM PDT by Bush_Democrat (Ex-Dem since 2001 *Folding@Home for the Gipper - Join the FReeper Folders*)
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To: paul51
The use of this kind of stupid logic employed by politicians is how we end up with so much bad legislation fouling up all our lives.

I agree. And for 1/2 billion a year of new taxpayer expense, I think they can go back to the drawing board and get it right.

49 posted on 10/20/2008 9:54:12 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Ugot2Bkidding

I also agree with McClintock except for 2 and 6. Typo I meant 6 and 11


50 posted on 10/20/2008 9:54:15 PM PDT by Ugot2Bkidding
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