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'Smears' About Obama Largely True (incl. ineligible)
NewsMax ^ | 10/20/2008 | Lowell Ponte

Posted on 10/21/2008 1:00:36 AM PDT by solfour

The Obama campaign says its candidate is a victim of “smears” -- and has even created a Web site to fight such attacks.

But a Newsmax investigation finds many of the so-called smears are largely based in truth -- and the Obama campaign uses half-truths, clever language and ad hominem attacks to spin the facts.

Obama’s www.FightTheSmears.com focuses mainly on anti-Obama messages being repeated on the Internet and talk radio, the only media where Obama ideological allies are not dominant.

These “smears” and the Obama rebuttals are often framed in lawyerly language that leaves much wiggle room in the candidate’s answers.

FightTheSmears.com also makes no attempt at objectivity, describing Obama’s critics as “pushing misleading research and distorted claims” because they are “ideologues” busy “spreading a ‘pack of lies’ about Barack.”

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birth; certifigate; fightthesmears; ineligible; obama; smears
Take a look at "smear #10".

Former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania Philip J. Berg, a Democrat with mixed credibility (he has supported conspiracy theories involving 9/11), has filed a lawsuit to force Obama to produce a certified copy of his birth certificate. According to Berg, Obama’s paternal grandmother has said she was present at his birth in Kenya, after which his mother promptly returned with her baby to the United States. If that is true, Obama could be constitutionally ineligible to be president.

1 posted on 10/21/2008 1:00:36 AM PDT by solfour
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To: solfour

Hannity, Rush, Fox News, etc. should soon chime in about admissions made by Obama procedurally in the Berg lawsuit:

* Admit you were born in Kenya.
* Admit you are a Kenya “natural born” citizen.
* Admit your foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii.
* Admit your father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr., admitted Paternity of you.
* Admit your mother gave birth to you in Mombosa, Kenya.
* Admit your mother’s maiden name is Stanley Ann Dunham a/k/a Ann Dunham.
* Admit the COLB [Certification of Live Birth] posted on the website “Fightthesmears.com” is a forgery.
* Admit you were adopted by a Foreign Citizen.
* Admit you were adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia.
* Admit you were not born in Hawaii.
* Admit you are a citizen of Indonesia.
* Admit you never took the “Oath of Allegiance” to regain your U.S. Citizenship status.
* Admit you are not a “natural born” United States citizen.
* Admit your senior campaign staff is aware you are not a “natural born” United States Citizen.
* Admit the United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.
* Admit you are ineligible pursuant to the United States Constitution to serve as President and/or Vice President of the United States.

I can’t wait to see Keith Olbermann lose his mind, albeit he doesn’t have that much to lose.


2 posted on 10/21/2008 1:04:58 AM PDT by solfour
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To: All
I know Obama can't sing this tune!
3 posted on 10/21/2008 1:06:08 AM PDT by Daniel Ramsey (Live from Wasilla, Alaska and saying NO to Barack HUSSEIN Obama)
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To: solfour
Philip J. Berg, a Democrat with mixed credibility (he has supported conspiracy theories involving 9/11),

All it takes is a trip to wikipedia to see Berg's history. There are things I don't agree with, that tend to strain his credibility. However in this case, the problem is well defined, can be simply disposed of, and raises a warning flag in the minds of many.

4 posted on 10/21/2008 1:07:18 AM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald (Counter Revolutionary for McCain/Palin)
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To: solfour
That is not a denial. That is so weird. You would think that you would be emphatic about your eligibility. Some thing is rotten on Denmark with that one.

Lord, fight the spiritual battle that is going on right now regarding this case and bring the truth, whatever it may be, into the open. AMEN!!!

5 posted on 10/21/2008 1:24:04 AM PDT by Anti-Hillary (Yo Barry, IF FOR 20 YEARS YOU STAY IN THE PEW, IT'S BECAUSE YOU SHARE THE VIEW!!!!!)
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To: solfour

OK, I don’t get how being born in Kenya would make Obama ineligible any more than McCain being born in Panama would. They were both born to American parents, at least one, and would be citizens.


6 posted on 10/21/2008 1:38:11 AM PDT by dixjea
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To: solfour

Obama’s most important line in script: HEIL Clinton!
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Obama+asking%22+%22salute+the+president%22&hl=en&filter=0


7 posted on 10/21/2008 1:41:41 AM PDT by VlPu
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To: dixjea
OK, I don’t get how being born in Kenya would make Obama ineligible

AFAIK, the rules back in 1961 concerning foreign born persons and American citizenship are not the same as the rules today.

I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, but back in 1961, if the American parent is less than 18 years old, they must be a resident of the USA for 5 or 6 years of continuous residency in the USA to claim automatic citizenship for foreign born children.

That's why many want to see his Hawaiian birth certificate. If he was born in Kenya, he is not an American citizen due to his mother's residency (or non-residency) in the USA, and his mother's age.

8 posted on 10/21/2008 1:59:41 AM PDT by PallMal
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To: dixjea

In McCain’s case, he actually WAS born on American territory. The Panama Canal Zone was held by the U.S. until Carter turned it over to Panama in the late 1970s.


9 posted on 10/21/2008 2:26:07 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: dixjea

It’s explained above.


10 posted on 10/21/2008 3:02:22 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: dixjea
McCain was born on a U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 to American citizens.

Obama, if true, was born on foreign soil to only 1 American parent.

I personally see a very big difference between the two.

11 posted on 10/21/2008 3:38:10 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: solfour
Even if *O* is not guilty of any of these so-called “smears”, one must pause at the sheer number of claims.
12 posted on 10/21/2008 4:23:37 AM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: PallMal
Furthermore, I believe that the law stipulated that the parent conferring American citizenship (Ann Dunhan) was required to have been a citizen for 5 years after the age of 14. Ann was only 18, therefore could not confer American citizenship on Obmama. Furthermore, when Soweto (sp) adopted Obama, that made Obama an Indonesian citizen. Non-Indonesian and non-Muslim children could not attend Indonesian schools. On his school records Obama is listed as an Indonesian citizen and his religion as Islam. At that point, the only way for Obama to become an American citizen was to go through the naturalization process, which still would not make him eligible for the Presidency. Feel free to correct me if I got it wrong. It's completely different for children in a military family born overseas.
13 posted on 10/21/2008 4:28:59 AM PDT by ArmyTeach (You have a Republic, Madam, if you can keep it...)
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To: ArmyTeach

Maybe B. Hussein’s an illegal alien and we can deport him?


14 posted on 10/21/2008 4:36:01 AM PDT by HenpeckedCon (Deport them all... Let God sort them out!)
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To: dixjea

Wrong.


15 posted on 10/21/2008 5:03:07 AM PDT by omega4179 (Stop Hussein Vote McCain!)
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To: solfour
I can’t wait to see Keith Olbermann lose his mind, albeit he doesn’t have that much to lose.

If Olberman lost his mind, would we detect any difference?

16 posted on 10/21/2008 5:09:47 AM PDT by Big Giant Head (I should change my tagline to "Big Giant penguin on my Head")
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To: dixjea

Because his mother was 18 and the law at that time did not make Obama an instant citizen of the United States.


17 posted on 10/21/2008 5:11:37 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Vote McWhatshisname and PALIN)
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To: ArmyTeach; PallMal

Thanks - need those talking points today for a couple of dim coworkers


18 posted on 10/21/2008 5:13:25 AM PDT by RDTF (BO smells and eventually people do what's necessary to avoid it)
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To: solfour

The biggest problem I have with the birth record released by Obama is that his father’s race is listed as “African.” Back in 1961 it would have been listed as “Negro.” “African” or “African-American” is a designation not used until years later. Absolutely NO birth certificates in the USA back in 1961 used “African” as a racial designation.


19 posted on 10/21/2008 5:36:17 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (FREE the Joe Biden raw video!!!)
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To: solfour

index


20 posted on 10/21/2008 5:48:55 AM PDT by davidosborne (SARAH PALIN for VP ---- McCain is just the "baggage" that comes with that VOTE !!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

or surrendered it in the 1970’s


21 posted on 10/21/2008 5:58:07 AM PDT by stan_sipple
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To: PJ-Comix

Excellent point PJ, you are right-on...


22 posted on 10/21/2008 6:00:26 AM PDT by Barney59 ("Amen")
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To: ArmyTeach
Furthermore, when Soweto (sp) adopted Obama, that made Obama an Indonesian citizen. Non-Indonesian and non-Muslim children could not attend Indonesian schools. On his school records Obama is listed as an Indonesian citizen and his religion as Islam. At that point, the only way for Obama to become an American citizen was to go through the naturalization process

Setting aside the Hawaii / Kenya birth issue, I don't see how the above matters. Where does U.S. law indicate a loss of citizenship, if the above is true?

23 posted on 10/21/2008 6:20:25 AM PDT by Sloth (What's the difference between taxation and armed robbery, aside from who's doing it?)
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To: Robert DeLong

“Obama, if true, was born on foreign soil to only 1 American parent.”

There have been many threads over many months regarding this. His mother was not of legal age when he was born. PLUS the fact that he has not been honest about where he was born PLUS the fact that dual citizens cannot be POTUS, PLUS the fact that he traveled to Pakistan during a time when the State Dept did not allow it so he had to use another country of origin on his passport (which of course, is not available for review).

Tons of threads - this is just it in a quickie layman’s view (or woman’s in my case)


24 posted on 10/21/2008 6:37:30 AM PDT by austinaero
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To: dixjea

The Constitutional requirement is a natural born U. S. citizen. If Obama were born in Kenya to an American mother and a Kenyan father, he would not be a natural born U. S. citizen, though he could become a U. S. citizen.


25 posted on 10/21/2008 6:43:34 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: austinaero

You forgot to add that Obama is using all legal methods to avoid providing a valid birth certificate to the Court hearing Berg’s suit. This is itself suspicious behavior.


26 posted on 10/21/2008 6:50:38 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: dixjea
Even if Osama HUSSEIN Obama was born in Hawaii as he claims (which I don't believe since his own relatives claim to have been present at his birth in Kenya), he lost that citizenship when he was adopted by a foreign citizen and moved to Indonesia.

If he came back to the US and applied for citizenship, he'd be a NATURALIZED citizen and therefore inelible.

27 posted on 10/21/2008 7:06:11 AM PDT by RasterMaster (DUmocrats - the party of slavery, sedition, subversion, socialism & surrender)
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To: dixjea
I was curious about that as well. Because when Mac was born in Panama, there was a law or statement on the books that declared the area of Panama “sovereign territory of the United States during the years of such and such”.
28 posted on 10/21/2008 8:44:33 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (It is amazing how people are comforted by percentages)
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To: dixjea

You’d better reread the Constitution. the Panama canal Zone was a US Territory. Kenya was not.


29 posted on 10/21/2008 8:55:32 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: dixjea
They were both born to American parents, at least one, and would be citizens.

True, one parent who is an American citizen is all it takes.

However, by statute, at the time of his birth, that one American parent had to be a citizen for at least five years. Stanley Ann Dunham was only 18 at the time...and, in this case, the clock didn't start ticking on citizenship until you reached your majority.

In addition, if Obama was born in Kenya, and if Stanley Ann had met the conditions, Obama would've been born with dual citizenship -- in Kenya and the USA. When he turned 18, under American law, he would've been obligated to renounce one or the other.

I'm not saying he's ineligible...but these are valid questions.

30 posted on 10/21/2008 9:13:21 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: PJ-Comix
"The biggest problem I have with the birth record released by Obama is that his father’s race is listed as “African.” Back in 1961 it would have been listed as “Negro.” “African” or “African-American” is a designation not used until years later. Absolutely NO birth certificates in the USA back in 1961 used “African” as a racial designation."

Notice on Obama's official site, his birth certificate says OHBM 1.1 in the lower left corner.

The original document displayed on the Daily KOS website says OHSM 1.1 in the lower left corner.

The million dollar question is: If the Daily KOS document was supplied by a Obama campaign staffer, as was reported, then how on earth can these two documents differ?

There may be a Hawaiian state agency or department with the initials 'OHBM', but I'm not aware of any.

The agency that you request a copy of a birth certificate from is the 'Office of Health Status Monitoring', OHSM.

The genie is out of the bottle now and it's impossible to "take back" the images. They are immortalized all over the web on different sites. Anyone can see this hard proof of skullduggery for themselves.

Why is the certificate # blacked out?

African is not a race! In 1961, wouldn't Negro or Negroid have been used to describe his Father's race instead of African?

Where is the indentation of the official seal and the folded marks, the rest of us have on our valid birth certificate copies?

Last but not least: What are the reverse purple lettering past the last entry line on the lower middle right? What do they mean, and why are they there?

Did Dan Blather's liar/chief forger, Mary Mapes create this bs?

Is this phoney birth certificate just another example of the Real but Fake Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas, the Islamofacist Manchurian Candidate for Changing America?

Compare this doctored and phoney BC with a real one shown below:

Hey Obami, man of undocumented place of birth. You can settle this very quickly. Just authorize the officials in Hawaii to send official copies of your birth certificate to Jim Robinson and other conservative sites. Then, they can post the real authorized copies for everyone to see. We will take up a collection to pay for the authorized copy and Fed Ex overnight delivery to Jim Robinson/Free Republic so you will not have to worry about the cost.

Reality break: We probably have as much chance of seeing a real copy of Obami's birth certificate as seeing John Kerry’s full military record. Kerry refused to release his military records, and Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas, the Islamofacist Manchurian Candidate will probably not show his BC. We will be labeled as racists for daring to question his birth place. The lying spinning MSM will continue to cover for Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas.

"Forge a document? Lie? Of course we/I can. I am a trained Democratic party lawyer."


31 posted on 10/21/2008 9:50:44 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Joe the plumber should provide his license right after Obama provides his real birth certificate)
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To: dixjea

“OK, I don’t get how being born in Kenya would make Obama ineligible any more than McCain being born in Panama would. They were both born to American parents, at least one, and would be citizens.”

Wrong.

Senator McCain was born to 2 U.S. citizens in a U.S. Navy Hospital, on a U.S. military base.

State Department:
“Birth Abroad to Two U.S. Citizen Parents in Wedlock: A child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). One of the parents MUST have resided in the U.S. prior to the child’s birth. No specific period of time for such prior residence is required.”

A person’s record of birth abroad, if registered with a U.S. consulate or embassy, is proof of his or her citizenship.


32 posted on 10/21/2008 10:19:04 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper
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To: Sloth
IIRC it's because of the Hague Ruling (1930)

It's explained in detail in one of Berg's petitions to the court.

IIMP: Joint Citizenship can only be held if both countries agree. At the time BO was adopted in Indonesia that country didn't allow joint citizenship. Therefore when he was registered at the school and listed as Indonesian and muslin his US citizenship was “renounced”

33 posted on 10/21/2008 1:25:22 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Acorn, Africa,Alinsky, Ayers,....BroadwayBank,Bastard child,Birthcert......now to the "C"s ;-))
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To: dixjea

Both of McCain’s parents were American citizens. Obama’s dad was Kenyan. As, apparently, Barack is.


34 posted on 10/21/2008 9:25:15 PM PDT by doug from upland (8 million views of .HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: doug from upland; Fred Nerks; LucyT; Calpernia; pissant; Grampa Dave; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

35 posted on 10/21/2008 9:29:25 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Anti-Hillary
Lord, fight the spiritual battle that is going on right now regarding this case and bring the truth, whatever it may be, into the open. AMEN!!!

And I stand with you on faith and agreement. In the Name of Jesus, AMEN!

36 posted on 10/22/2008 7:18:34 AM PDT by pray4liberty (Watch, pray, and work.)
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To: PhilDragoo
You can take the boy out of madrassa, but you can't take madrassa out of the boy.
37 posted on 10/22/2008 7:50:45 AM PDT by duckln
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To: PhilDragoo
You can take the boy out of madrassa, but you can't take madrassa out of the boy.
38 posted on 10/22/2008 7:51:49 AM PDT by duckln
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To: solfour

Regarding all the points you made above, I have a question. I was under the impression that his mother was a citizen of the US and that would make him a citizen of the US. Do you have anything to refute that?

Yes, I have been behind on this issue.


39 posted on 10/22/2008 7:57:12 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom

No. It was not good enough at the time of Obama’s birth, or even now, for one of your parents to be American, unless that parent has resided in the US for at least five years after the age of 14 by the time of birth.

I think the reasoning was probably something like this: If a person has an American parent and a foreign parent (Kenyan), then they are born with divided allegiance. This is especially troublesome in the case where the balance of evidence suggests that the child is going to be raised more as a foreigner than as an American. This is most likely to happen in the case of an older foreign man marrying a very young American woman with the child born in the foreigner’s country. Leaving out the sex of the parent, they made the law what it was and is.

Obama’s case is an unusual one, because he spent his early years in America and only met his foreign father once in his life. So, in a sense he got snagged on a technicality. But in a deeper sense, it was right he got snagged. He does have more than divided allegiance. He was later adopted by a foreign father (Lolo Soetoro), and became an Islamic citizen of Indonesia, a citizenship he was using as late as age 19 to travel to Pakistan. His mother was straightforwardly anti-American. He currently has plans to milk America to support illegal aliens, black racists, and poor persons of his own race living abroad. Obama himself is a black racist IMHO. Like his mother, he is anti-American.

Also, Berg claims that when his mother became Indonesian and he was adopted by Lolo, Obama lost his American citizenship, which he could have reclaimed before he was 19 (I think), but he almost certainly did not bother to do so. Again, Obama may have been snagged on a technicality, but that’s life! And good riddance to this supporating pustule on the face of humanity if it brings him down.


40 posted on 10/22/2008 8:45:22 PM PDT by solfour
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To: solfour

“unless that parent has resided in the US for at least five years after the age of 14 by the time of birth.”

This partial sentence explains a whole lot that I did not know. I presume that the 5 years resident must be achieved before the birth for the child to be considered a citizen.

Thank you for the explanation.


41 posted on 10/23/2008 7:15:58 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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