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Chinese Boats Stalk George Washington (Obama's "foreign crisis?")
Strategy Page Enews | 10/21/08

Posted on 10/21/2008 5:48:01 AM PDT by pabianice

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1 posted on 10/21/2008 5:48:01 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice; Jeff Head

Left unsaid is that the Chinese “boats” are undoubtedly being stalked by our “boats.”


2 posted on 10/21/2008 5:51:06 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: pabianice

cat and mouse practice for our sonobuoys


3 posted on 10/21/2008 5:51:09 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: TigerLikesRooster

take a look


4 posted on 10/21/2008 5:55:00 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (RINOs **BETRAY** us, since, if they ever DO take off the gloves vs. the Libs, they do so too late...)
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5 posted on 10/21/2008 5:56:00 AM PDT by johnny7 ("Duck I says... ")
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Despite that, the Hans are going to sea, even though they are noisy and easily detected by Western sensors.

The use of the Hans' class boats sounds like the equivalent of bringing a knife to a gun fight.

6 posted on 10/21/2008 5:57:42 AM PDT by Lou L
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To: pabianice

These Chinese boats still have to snorkle, don’t they?

How fast are they submerged?


7 posted on 10/21/2008 5:57:44 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: pabianice

While a Russian Navy fleet visits Venezuela. With Obama as CIC, don’t be surprised to see enlistments decrease, as black officers assume command of the military. A “fist bump” will be the recognized salute.


8 posted on 10/21/2008 6:00:46 AM PDT by kenmcg
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"They are quiet, and can travel about 700 kilometers under water at a quiet speed of about five kilometers an hour. "

Tell me this isn't a typo.

9 posted on 10/21/2008 6:13:01 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: Lou L
Despite that, the Hans are going to sea, even though they are noisy and easily detected by Western sensors.

That has been my experience riding the subway.

10 posted on 10/21/2008 6:13:03 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: AmericanInTokyo
China ready for mischief, when firework rises up in Iran or N. Korean regime collapses?
11 posted on 10/21/2008 6:19:43 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: OKSooner

Sounds to me like an old German U-Boat can do better than that.


12 posted on 10/21/2008 6:31:13 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: OKSooner
"They are quiet, and can travel about 700 kilometers under water at a quiet speed of about five kilometers an hour. "

Tell me this isn't a typo.

Well, if it isn't a typo, I think that indicates how fast the crew can row without grunting too much. :=)

BTW, that 5 km/hour converts to the blazing speed of 2.7 knots.

13 posted on 10/21/2008 6:37:42 AM PDT by Bob
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To: pabianice

I see “The Great Game” continues, with new players.


14 posted on 10/21/2008 6:40:14 AM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (USMC- Guarding freedom around the world since 1775)
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To: Vroomfondel; SC Swamp Fox; Fred Hayek; NY Attitude; P3_Acoustic; Bean Counter; investigateworld; ...
SONOBUOY PING!

Click on pic for past Navair pings.

Post or FReepmail me if you wish to be enlisted in or discharged from the Navair Pinglist.
The only requirement for inclusion in the Navair Pinglist is an interest in Naval Aviation.
This is a medium to low volume pinglist.

15 posted on 10/21/2008 6:52:50 AM PDT by magslinger (I am Joe.)
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To: OKSooner

Got some specs on the KILO that look like there is no typo at all:


Designation Project 877 Paltus
Kilo Project 636
Designer Rubin Rubin
Builder Admiralty Shipyard (Sudomekh),
Shipyard 199, Nizhniy Novgorod
[completed at Sevmashpredpriyatiye, Severodvinsnk]
Shipyard 112, Komsolol’sk-na-Amur Admiralty Shipyard
Displacement (tons) 2,300-2,325 tons Surfaced
3,076-3,950 tons Full load submerged 2,350 tons Surfaced
3,126-4,000 tons Full load submerged
Speed (kts): 10-12 knots Surfaced
17-25 knots Submerge 11 knots Surfaced
20 knots Submerged
Dimensions (m): 70.0-72.6 meters long
9.9 meters beam
6.2-6.5 meters draft 72.6-73.8 meters long
9.9 meters beam
6.3-6.5 meters draft
Propulsion: diesel and electric motors
2 x 1000 kW Diesel generators
1 x 5,500-6,800 shp Propulsion motor
1 x 7-blade [? or 6-blade] fixed-pitch Propeller
diesel and electric motors
Diving depth: 240 meters Operational
300 meters Maximum 250 meters Operational
300 meters Maximum
17.5 meters Periscope
Endurance: 6,000 miles With snorkel (@ 7 knots)
400 miles Submerged (@ 3 knots)
12.7 miles At full run (@ 21 knots)
45 days Sea Endurance 7,500 miles With snorkel (@ 7 knots)
400 miles Submerged (@ 3 knots)
?? miles At full run (@ 20 knots)
45 days Sea Endurance
Armament:
# Missiles: 8 Strela-3 (SA-N-8 Gremlin) or
# 8 Igla (SA-N-10 Gimlet)
# 8 Strela-3 (SA-N-8 Gremlin) or
# 8 Igla (SA-N-10 Gimlet)
# Torpedoes: 6/533 mm Torpedoe Tubes 18 VA-111 (w: c/nucl) Torpedoes or
# 24 mines
# 6/533 mm Torpedoe Tubes 18 VA-111 Torpedoes or
# 24 mines
# Systems: radio communications
# combat control information system
# navigation system
# 1 MRK-50 (Snoop Tray-2)general purpose detection radar
# MGK-400 Rubikon (Shark Teeth) active/passive Sonar
# 2 Periscopes
[one for commander, one for air defence]
# radio communications
# combat control information system
# navigation system
# 1 MRK-50E (Snoop Tray-2) general purpose detection radar
# 1 MGK-400EM Rubikon (Shark Teeth) active/passive Sonar
# 2 Periscopes
[one for commander, one for air defence]

Makes me wonder what the SEAWOLF guys call this boat. “Bait”, maybe?


16 posted on 10/21/2008 7:54:40 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet (Nuestro MSM supuesto es simplemente una colección de putas del excedente de mercancías.)
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet
Makes me wonder what the SEAWOLF guys call this boat. “Bait”, maybe?

My guess would be happy meal.

But don’t tell the Chinese. Let it be a surprise on the day they get an excessively optimistic opinion of their equipment and skills.

17 posted on 10/21/2008 8:00:09 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Democratic Underground: where PCP is not just for breakfast anymore.)
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To: OKSooner

I think that might be the boat’s stealth speed. It can go faster, but when it does, it makes more noise and is easier to detect.

An electric boat operating stealthily is almost impossible to detect by passive sonar. You can ping on it, but that sort of defeats the purpose if you are trying to be sneaky.

These new air-independent propulsion systems are scary. WE should be building them, but aren’t. With them, a non-nuclear boat has far greater underwater range than they ever had before.

The USN is going to severely regret gutting its ASW in the days after the collapse of the USSR. It was a dumb move.

I wish people would stop making stupid jokes about China’s growing naval capacity, especially its sub force. They’re real, they’re serious, and they have already proven the can penetrate a CVBG screen before.


18 posted on 10/21/2008 2:45:31 PM PDT by Ronin
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To: pabianice

We know they’re playing around with the Japs and Koreans, next time one crosses the line they need to SINK IT. The Chicoms are feeling cocky, and if the Messiah gets elected, they may try to get it over with and take Taiwan (excuse me, I mean The Republic of China).


19 posted on 10/21/2008 3:55:39 PM PDT by coolbreeze (giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teen-age boys.)
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To: Doohickey; SmithL; pabianice
Any of you Bubbleheads seen this yet?


( Pabianice, saw your wings so have to ask, what did you fly?)
20 posted on 10/21/2008 6:07:40 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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