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Is it time to scrap the Electoral College?
pMSNBC/MSN ^ | 10/21/08 | Tom Curry

Posted on 10/21/2008 11:14:49 AM PDT by AT7Saluki

...The system is a relic of the early days of the republic when electors were supposed to be independent agents exercising their judgment in choosing a presidential candidate from a list of several contenders.

Today, electors are party loyalists who almost always vote for their party’s nominee.

On Friday, a group of legal scholars, political scientists, and systems specialists gathered at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology for a conference on the Electoral College. Their focus? How to better engineer the system...

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


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Methinks perhaps the DBM knows something more than they're reporting?
1 posted on 10/21/2008 11:14:50 AM PDT by AT7Saluki
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To: AT7Saluki

What is DBM?


2 posted on 10/21/2008 11:15:43 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: AT7Saluki

Is it time to scrap the Biased Press?

(leaving the EC alone....)

3 posted on 10/21/2008 11:16:28 AM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: AT7Saluki

Uh oh, Democrats are NERVOUS!


4 posted on 10/21/2008 11:16:36 AM PDT by Obadiah (Vote for Obama so he can spread your wealth!)
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To: AT7Saluki

its time to scrap PMSNBC.


5 posted on 10/21/2008 11:16:43 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: AT7Saluki
Wup. It's time for the first "is it time to scrap the electoral college" article.

First of many, I should say.

6 posted on 10/21/2008 11:16:51 AM PDT by Steely Tom (RKBA: last line of defense against vote fraud)
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To: AT7Saluki

Obviously this means they believe “The 0” is going to lose the electoral college but might win the popular vote.


7 posted on 10/21/2008 11:16:56 AM PDT by Mr Fuji (Just say NO to the 0!)
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To: jersey117

Drive By Media (see Maha Rushie lexicon).


8 posted on 10/21/2008 11:17:11 AM PDT by AT7Saluki (No cejar, no ceder)
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To: AT7Saluki

If it will help the great leader, by all means!


9 posted on 10/21/2008 11:17:27 AM PDT by Jagman
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To: jersey117

drive-by media...

a related question to the one asked in this article...Is it time to scrap the world series and decide who wins the championship based on cumulative runs scored through the entire baseball season instead?


10 posted on 10/21/2008 11:17:33 AM PDT by stefanbatory (Do you want a President or a King?)
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To: AT7Saluki

The answer is no. Though it might be a salutory reform to force all states to go onto the Maine/Nebraska system.


11 posted on 10/21/2008 11:17:40 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (For real change stop electing lawyers: Fighter-Pilot/Hockey-Mom '08.)
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To: AT7Saluki

The librats bring this up every Presidential election cycle.


12 posted on 10/21/2008 11:18:01 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Put Palin in the White House. Send McCain to Sun City, AZ)
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To: AT7Saluki

oooops looks like MSNBC knows nObama isn’t going to get the electoral votes


13 posted on 10/21/2008 11:18:07 AM PDT by txroadkill (Do it for Sarah!- Conservatism= finding joy in duty)
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To: Steely Tom

Gosh, I remember, back in the day when I went to MIT, how it was a serious school.

Indeed, a lone island of conservatism (with occasional absurd faculty member the exception) in a sea of liberal idiocy.

How things have changed


14 posted on 10/21/2008 11:18:10 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (A Jew voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.)
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To: AT7Saluki

The DemocRATs would love to scrap the Electoral College, since they would never lose another Presidential Election.

Of course, they would love to scrap the entire U.S. Constitution.


15 posted on 10/21/2008 11:18:10 AM PDT by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: AT7Saluki

How to better engineer the system...

All I needed to read.


16 posted on 10/21/2008 11:18:25 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: jersey117

Douche Bag Media?


17 posted on 10/21/2008 11:19:29 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (I'm not against 0bama because he's black. I'm against 0bama because he's red.)
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To: AT7Saluki
Not just no - HELL NO!
18 posted on 10/21/2008 11:19:33 AM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: AT7Saluki

I think it’s time to short-sell 1000 shares of (NBC-owner) General Electric.


19 posted on 10/21/2008 11:19:41 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Phodopus campbelli: household ruler since July 2007.)
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To: AT7Saluki
...The system is a relic of the early days of the republic when electors were supposed to be independent agents exercising their judgment in choosing a presidential candidate from a list of several contenders.

INCORRECT! It's a relic of a time when states were actually their own little republics, or commonwealths. A time when the Union was a Union of free, independent states. A time when the Fed gubmint was thought to only be responsible for those collective tasks enumerated in the Constitution that required a united purpose. In short, it's from a time when the Constitution meant something.

20 posted on 10/21/2008 11:20:38 AM PDT by Huck (Teddy Roosevelt vs. Che Guevera)
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To: Jagman

That’s “Dear Great Leader” /puke


21 posted on 10/21/2008 11:20:43 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Obamao's pay grade doesn't even come close to Sarah's pay grade, let alone McCain's)
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To: Obadiah; Steely Tom; Vaquero; xcamel; jersey117; AT7Saluki; Mr Fuji; Jagman; stefanbatory
Folks, this Presidential race is over
22 posted on 10/21/2008 11:22:23 AM PDT by impeachedrapist (Bill Clinton, as Arkansas Attorney General did you make Juanita Broaddrick pay for her rape kit?)
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To: jersey117

Go sell Communism some place else, Curry. The Electoral College was set up by our Founding Fathers so that all people are represented and have a say on whom they choose to lead this country, even the “rednecks” from the fly over country.

L.A., NYC, and Chicago does not reflect most American’s and what we stand for.


23 posted on 10/21/2008 11:22:58 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: AT7Saluki

Here it comes again. If Obama gets in with a dem supermajority in both houses of congress you can expect a big push to get a constitutional amendment pushed out to the states.


24 posted on 10/21/2008 11:23:05 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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To: AT7Saluki

#1—Getting us ready for BO to rid us of the pesky Electoral College? —or— #2-Nervous about a BO loss via college but winning in the popular vote? Scenario #2 will help the media realize their dream of stores, cars and city streets ablaze on Nov. 5.


25 posted on 10/21/2008 11:23:43 AM PDT by albie
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To: impeachedrapist

Is this being trotted out because all the goldfish decided to stay home and not vote this year?


26 posted on 10/21/2008 11:24:02 AM PDT by elk
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To: AT7Saluki

Just what we need - a few populous states dictating to the rest of the country who’s to be president. The EC was instituted for the purpose of preventing that scenario.


27 posted on 10/21/2008 11:24:16 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts")
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To: AT7Saluki

“Is it time to scrap the Electoral College?”

No.


28 posted on 10/21/2008 11:24:20 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: AT7Saluki

Gee, it must be an election year...this topic comes up every time.


29 posted on 10/21/2008 11:24:25 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: txroadkill

we live in a deep blue state that will give all its electoral votes to Obama.....I tell my kids they need to vote anyway just to keep the popular vote up.


30 posted on 10/21/2008 11:24:31 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: The_Reader_David

I think the better thing to do would be to require all states to abide by the Electoral College system in order to prevent what some states have already promised to do: award all of their Electoral votes to the winner of the national popular voter regardless of how the people of that particular state voted. This mob rule mentality must be confronted and defeated!


31 posted on 10/21/2008 11:24:54 AM PDT by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: TommyDale

The libs would write a new “constitution” declaring all sorts of rights that aren’t rights -

right to a job (where you live)
right to housing
right to healthcare
right to childcare
right to die
right to kill (abortion)


32 posted on 10/21/2008 11:25:04 AM PDT by MrB (0bama supporters: What's the attraction? The Marxism or the Infanticide?)
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To: AT7Saluki

Ah, the Libs would love it. All they have to do is control the Ignorant Masses in the metropolitan areas.

Forget about small town/rural America.

This is the reason the Founding Fathers set up the Electoral College!


33 posted on 10/21/2008 11:25:29 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Without the Mainstream Media, the Left is Nothing.)
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To: AT7Saluki
If I recall my High School Civics correctly, such a change would require a Constitutional Amendment and Ratification by 38 State Legislatures? States that have very little influence (with 3 to 5 electoral votes) on the National Elections would be very hesitant to surrender complete control to the will of the Inner City "Ignoratti"...
34 posted on 10/21/2008 11:26:07 AM PDT by Friend_from_the_Frozen_North (If you are, as Rush would say, "A Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance" don't waste my time...)
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To: AT7Saluki
Their focus? How to better engineer the system...

How to better engineer the system...to aid the Democrats.

And, for sure, giving voter fraud a chance to have a nationwide impact would do the trick.

35 posted on 10/21/2008 11:26:07 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: The_Reader_David
Though it might be a salutory reform to force all states to go onto the Maine/Nebraska system.

I don't know about that either. Assume that an election ends with the loser being with 10 EVs (maybe within 20 EVs) of being the winner. Imagine the chaos as the parties look around the country to pick out specific congressional districts to contest. Sort mini-Florida 2000 or mini-Ohio 2004, but instead in dozens of congressional districts. Ouch!

36 posted on 10/21/2008 11:26:20 AM PDT by CatOwner
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To: TADSLOS
The librats bring this up every Presidential election cycle they lose.

Fixed.

37 posted on 10/21/2008 11:26:26 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: albie
their dream of stores, cars and city streets ablaze on Nov. 5

those stores, cars, and streets will all be in "heavily democrat representation" areas.

38 posted on 10/21/2008 11:26:31 AM PDT by MrB (0bama supporters: What's the attraction? The Marxism or the Infanticide?)
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To: AT7Saluki
Yeah sure why not....then no sheople would have to actually get their sorry fat butts off the couch to vote. NY and CA can pick our President and all the politician vote buying can be done there. Yeah, there's a plan only a liberal could love.

Anyone who proposes this has to be an idiot with an agenda aka: loony liberal.
39 posted on 10/21/2008 11:26:38 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Huck

Oh, you mean like it was before FDR?


40 posted on 10/21/2008 11:27:16 AM PDT by Obadiah (Vote for Obama so he can spread your wealth!)
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To: frankiep

I feel constrained to point out that there is no such thing as the “national popular vote”.


41 posted on 10/21/2008 11:27:29 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: AT7Saluki
Why just get rid of the electoral college? Why not put the whole damn Constitution out of its misery and just elect a king to spread the wealth by popular vote, based on who has the dreamiest eyes?

In fact, why even bother with the popular vote? Maybe we should just have the UN General Assembly appoint a committee of international journalists and college professors to pick the new monarch?

42 posted on 10/21/2008 11:27:32 AM PDT by Maceman (If you're not getting a tax cut, you're getting a pay cut.)
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To: frankiep

Any state that does that effectively takes itself out of the selection process and gives up its power.

There is no way the left could get an amendment passed, too many states would have to vote against their own interests.

However, there’s always the Supreme Court - they could just “interpret” the EC out of the Constitution.


43 posted on 10/21/2008 11:28:40 AM PDT by MrB (0bama supporters: What's the attraction? The Marxism or the Infanticide?)
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To: AT7Saluki

Not just no, but hell no!


44 posted on 10/21/2008 11:29:40 AM PDT by Ingtar (Go Palin! And the white-haired guy too, I suppose. '08)
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To: AT7Saluki

45 posted on 10/21/2008 11:29:43 AM PDT by frogjerk (Palin’s record is on the record, while whole years of Obama’s life are engulfed in fog - T. Sowell)
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To: AT7Saluki

Our Electoral College system is part of our republican form of representative government. Its one aspect of our Republic that makes the USA different from a pure democracy.

Liberals and socialists want to move America towards pure democracy and mob rule. NO THANKS!


46 posted on 10/21/2008 11:30:03 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: swain_forkbeard

Please reread my post. I said that some states have promised to award their Electoral votes to the candidate that receives the most votes nationally regardless of whether or not that candidate received the most votes in that state.


47 posted on 10/21/2008 11:30:31 AM PDT by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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This will never happen. The states would have to ratify a change to the constitution. The small states will NEVER let this happen. And they shouldnt. If the states are so hot to change, they should simply change the state’s rule on how the votes are assessed.


48 posted on 10/21/2008 11:30:35 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I am not from Vermont. I lived there for four years and that was enough.)
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To: AT7Saluki
The Electoral College isn't perfect, but it certainly helps smooth out the problems in the current state-by-state voting.

The only way I would ever consider removing the EC is if a national election were handled by use of Instant Runoff Voting, and ballots were designed with a Robson Rotation method...but I don't see that ever happening.
49 posted on 10/21/2008 11:30:44 AM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: AT7Saluki
NO
50 posted on 10/21/2008 11:31:13 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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